Warning: Internet Explorer 9 Release Candidate breaks Logos 3 (Libronix) - do not install IE9 RC yet

Rosie Perera
Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

This post from Bradley is important enough that it deserves a "retweet":

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/29989.aspx

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  • James Land
    James Land Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    Tried installing IE only to find that my search function in Libronix 4.2 no longer worked.  Don't install IE 9RC if you use Libronix and Logos software.

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hi James,

    Welcome to the Logos forums!

    Technically there's no such thing as Libronix 4.2 - "Libronix" was the name of Logos 3, but that name has been dropped. So you're talking about Logos 4.2.

    I'm quite puzzled by how IE9RC could have broken Logos 4.2's search capacity, since the change from L3 to L4 meant they dropped the dependency on IE for text rendering. There should be no connection whatsoever between what version of IE you have installed and how Logos 4 functions. Bradley was quite clear in his warning that IE9RC should be an issue only for L3.

    Maybe we can figure out what else might be causing your problem with searching. When you say the search function "no longer worked" could you be more specific. Did it return faulty results, or no results at all? Did it crash?

    What search criteria did you type in? Was it a Basic search or a Bible search, was it limited to a collection or single resource or was it a search in your Entire Library? What options did you have checked on the panel menu (Match case, Match all word forms)?

    Perhaps you could post a screenshot?

  • BillS
    BillS Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭


    This post from Bradley is important enough that it deserves a "retweet":

    http://community.logos.com/forums/t/29989.aspx


    Since IE9 has been released (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/internet-explorer/products/ie-9/home?WT.mc_id=MSCOM_AH_US_RSS_113LMUS004274&WT.rss_f=At%20Home%20RSS&WT.rss_a=It's%20here!%20Windows%20Internet%20Explorer%209&WT.rss_ev=a), is there any word on a fix?

    I still use L3 for 2 Bible studies each week. Should I continue to hold off installing IE9?

    Grace & Peace,
    Bill


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  • BillS
    BillS Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭


    Have you seen this, Bill?

    Thanks, Joan! I found it after I posted it, but it was your link that triggered me to go ahead & download the file in anticipation that MS will put IE9 on WinUpdate.

    Earlier, they were talking about whether or not the RC would incorporate the fix before it went gold... sounds like it's going gold, & I'm still wondering whether we need to bother. :-)

    Grace & Peace,
    Bill


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  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,191

    BillS said:

    Earlier, they were talking about whether or not the RC would incorporate the fix before it went gold... sounds like it's going gold, & I'm still wondering whether we need to bother. :-)

    We know the RTM version incorporates at least one fix to a bug in the RC, but we do not know if the other incompatibility is fixed yet. At the moment, we're erring on the side of caution and have our support article ready in case IE9 RTM still causes problems. We'll find out tonight at 9pm (just like you) whether the registry fix is necessary or not.

    Update: The fix from http://www.logos.com/support/windows/LDLS-IE9 is still required to run LDLS3 with IE9 RTM. (IE9 RTM fixes one bug in the RC, but not the other.)

  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭

    This gives us all pause for concern.   It is a reminder that if something ever happened to the Logos company, our libraries could eventually be rendered useless by changes in technology. 

    With thousands of dollars invested, I will keep Logos on my prayer list.  I couldn't get by without 'em.


    "In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,191

    This gives us all pause for concern.   It is a reminder that if something ever happened to the Logos company, our libraries could eventually be rendered useless by changes in technology. 

    I wouldn't worry too much; virtualization technology will make it fairly simple to keep a "legacy" computer running in an isolated environment immune to technology changes. For example, there will be Commodore 64 emulators running old games long after the last physical C64 box has ceased to function.

    As a more practical example, if you have Windows 7 Professional (or a higher edition) you can install LDLS3 right now in Windows XP Mode and it will be completely unaffected by installing IE9 on the host Windows 7 machine. It will look like a regular Windows program running on your desktop (except that it will have an XP-style title bar and window frame), you can copy-and-paste, etc., but the entire program is actually running in a virtualized environment with its own private copy of IE6.

  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    As a more practical example, if you have Windows 7 Professional (or a higher edition) you can install LDLS3 right now in Windows XP Mode and it will be completely unaffected by installing IE9 on the host Windows 7 machine. It will look like a regular Windows program running on your desktop (except that it will have an XP-style title bar and window frame), you can copy-and-paste, etc., but the entire program is actually running in a virtualized environment with its own private copy of IE6.

    This is, in fact, precisely what I've got going on.  :-)

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • Lynden O. Williams
    Lynden O. Williams MVP Posts: 9,020

    Michael I f Logos were to go bankrupt, I am sure another firm would be quick to snap up the largest Bible software company in the world. If the Lord blessed me, I know I would. Digital books are the way to go.

    Maybe Logos could start offering its clients the opportunity to purchase shares in the company. [^o)]

    Mission: To serve God as He desires.

  • BillS
    BillS Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭

    BillS said:


    I still use L3 for 2 Bible studies each week. Should I continue to hold off installing IE9?

    Took the plunge... no difficulties I can find.

    W7 Pro 64...

    Grace & Peace,
    Bill


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    iPhone 12 Pro Max 512Gb
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  • Juanita
    Juanita Member Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭

    BillS said:


    BillS said:

    I still use L3 for 2 Bible studies each week. Should I continue to hold off installing IE9?

     

    Took the plunge... no difficulties I can find.

    W7 Pro 64...


    I'm curious, Bill.  Did you, first, do the following (as Bradley mentioned above) ?

    Update: The fix from http://www.logos.com/support/windows/LDLS-IE9 is still required to run LDLS3 with IE9 RTM. (IE9 RTM fixes one bug in the RC, but not the other.)

    Or, if not, then maybe by now IE9 has fixed it all?

    EDIT:  I'm running XP so this is not pertinent to my situation after all, given IE9 will not work with XP or so it sounds like. 

     

     

     

  • BillS
    BillS Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭

    Hi Joan,

    I downloaded the fix to my desktop just in case, but so far I haven't needed it.

    AFAI can tell, the IE9 non-RC code has fixed the problem--or I just haven't run into it yet. Either way, I'll hang on to the fix just-in-case for a few weeks, & if by then I haven't had to install it, I'll delete it at that point.

    BLessings, Joan!

    1st impressions of IE9? It's ok. It's a bit different than IE8 in an evolutionary sort of way. I appreciate it highlighting for me how long all each add-in was delaying my web pages & giving me the opportunity to disable them. I also appreciate the slightly increased screen real estate available (tabs move up to the header with the forward/back, home, favorites, & tools buttons). But other than that, I can't yet tell that it's any more stable or all that different, though it does seem a "tad" faster.

    IMO, our anti-virus software add-ins will delay any browser to the point that they all look alike, speed-wise. :-)

    So you're probably not missing much...

    Blessings!

    Grace & Peace,
    Bill


    MSI GF63 8RD, I-7 8850H, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 2TB HDD, NVIDIA GTX 1050Max
    iPhone 12 Pro Max 512Gb
    iPad 9th Gen iOS 15.6, 256GB

  • Juanita
    Juanita Member Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭

    BillS said:


    Hi Joan,

    I downloaded the fix to my desktop just in case, but so far I haven't needed it.

    AFAI can tell, the IE9 non-RC code has fixed the problem--or I just haven't run into it yet. Either way, I'll hang on to the fix just-in-case for a few weeks, & if by then I haven't had to install it, I'll delete it at that point.

    BLessings, Joan!

    1st impressions of IE9? It's ok. It's a bit different than IE8 in an evolutionary sort of way. I appreciate it highlighting for me how long all each add-in was delaying my web pages & giving me the opportunity to disable them. I also appreciate the slightly increased screen real estate available (tabs move up to the header with the forward/back, home, favorites, & tools buttons). But other than that, I can't yet tell that it's any more stable or all that different, though it does seem a "tad" faster.

    IMO, our anti-virus software add-ins will delay any browser to the point that they all look alike, speed-wise. :-)

    So you're probably not missing much...

    Blessings!


    Thanks for sharing, Bill!

     

  • BillS
    BillS Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭

    Hi Joan,

    You're very welcome!

    Blessings to you...

    Grace & Peace,
    Bill


    MSI GF63 8RD, I-7 8850H, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 2TB HDD, NVIDIA GTX 1050Max
    iPhone 12 Pro Max 512Gb
    iPad 9th Gen iOS 15.6, 256GB

  • BillS
    BillS Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭

    BillS said:


    AFAI can tell, the IE9 non-RC code has fixed the problem--or I just haven't run into it yet. Either way, I'll hang on to the fix just-in-case for a few weeks, & if by then I haven't had to install it, I'll delete it at that point.

    Finally ran into the problem today (in L3 PG), but Bradley's fix worked great! Thanks, Bradley!

    Grace & Peace,
    Bill


    MSI GF63 8RD, I-7 8850H, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 2TB HDD, NVIDIA GTX 1050Max
    iPhone 12 Pro Max 512Gb
    iPad 9th Gen iOS 15.6, 256GB

  • George Somsel
    George Somsel Member Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭


    BillS said:

    Earlier, they were talking about whether or not the RC would incorporate the fix before it went gold... sounds like it's going gold, & I'm still wondering whether we need to bother. :-)

    We know the RTM version incorporates at least one fix to a bug in the RC, but we do not know if the other incompatibility is fixed yet. At the moment, we're erring on the side of caution and have our support article ready in case IE9 RTM still causes problems. We'll find out tonight at 9pm (just like you) whether the registry fix is necessary or not.

    Update: The fix from http://www.logos.com/support/windows/LDLS-IE9 is still required to run LDLS3 with IE9 RTM. (IE9 RTM fixes one bug in the RC, but not the other.)


    I was relying on your assurance that this would fix the problem, but I downloaded IE-9,  the patch, and installed them and am not able to get any results with a morph search on some very basic Greek words.

    EDIT: This is puzzling.  I just checked and found that it is still showing that I have IE-8.  Something went wrong in addition to the fact that L3 is no longer giving any results for morph searches.

    george
    gfsomsel

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