A plea for help...
I've already tried to champion a couple of Community Pricing items in a previous thread. Now I want to be transparent!
I'm about to embark on a MTh thesis looking at Thomas Cranmer's eucharistic doctrine. As you can imagine, having the Cranmer Collection in my Logos library would be immensely helpful!
At the moment the Cranmer Collection is only at about 50% on Community Pricing. If there are any users who have looked at it and thought "might be interested, I'll wait and see" or something similar, could I make a plea: PLEASE BID!! Given the time it takes for these items to make publication, I would love to see the Cranmer Collection reach 100% before it's too late to be of any use in my work. I don't want you to bid if you can't afford it, or you're genuinely not interesteed. But if you can, and you are, then please help!
There we are. Purely selfish, but I’d be willing to send a copy of my thesis to anyone who wanted it and felt they could help. Maybe by then we'll have PBB so you can use it in Logos!
Thanks in advance, and for bearing with my pitiful appeal.
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Alright Richard, I'm in.
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Peace, Richard!
I'm in!
*smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Thomas Black said:
Alright Richard, I'm in.
Milford Charles Murray said:Peace, Richard!
I'm in!
*smile*
WOOHOOTS!
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Richard Wardman said:
I've already tried to champion a couple of Community Pricing items in a previous thread. Now I want to be transparent!
I'm about to embark on a MTh thesis looking at Thomas Cranmer's eucharistic doctrine. As you can imagine, having the Cranmer Collection in my Logos library would be immensely helpful!
At the moment the Cranmer Collection is only at about 50% on Community Pricing. If there are any users who have looked at it and thought "might be interested, I'll wait and see" or something similar, could I make a plea: PLEASE BID!! Given the time it takes for these items to make publication, I would love to see the Cranmer Collection reach 100% before it's too late to be of any use in my work. I don't want you to bid if you can't afford it, or you're genuinely not interesteed. But if you can, and you are, then please help!
There we are. Purely selfish, but I’d be willing to send a copy of my thesis to anyone who wanted it and felt they could help. Maybe by then we'll have PBB so you can use it in Logos!
Thanks in advance, and for bearing with my pitiful appeal.
I'm an Episcopalian (Anglican Communion) so I've been in from the beginning.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
I'm an Episcopalian (Anglican Communion) so I've been in from the beginning.
That's the spirit. Bravo!
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I would love to help....
I'm in...
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Count me in. Happy to help!
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Hi Richard. I'm afraid I can't add any help since I've been in, too, probably when it was announced. [Y] Hope you the best in your studies.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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I'm already in. If I weren't I'd be happy to do it to help you out. $30 is not all that much for this great collection.
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to quote others
Thomas Black said:I'm in.
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I'm one of those who automatically bids max value for every community pricing product that shows up. With resources that give a rich source of historical background, illustrative material and great theology (CS Lewis recommended old books after all!) going for so small a cost I just don't see a reason not to.
So, yes, I'm in.
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David Moser said:
I'm one of those who automatically bids max value for every community pricing product that shows up. With resources that give a rich source of historical background, illustrative material and great theology (CS Lewis recommended old books after all!) going for so small a cost I just don't see a reason not to.
So, yes, I'm in.
4,249 pages for £18/ $30 or less. Can't sniff.I'm feeling the love!
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Upped my bid to the going rate. What can you tell me about the guy?
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Michael Anda said:
Upped my bid to the going rate. What can you tell me about the guy?
Wikipedia is always a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cranmer
But you probably have books in Logos that can tell you too:
logosres:who;hw=Cranmer,_Thomas
logosres:ecv123;hw=Cranmer,_Thomas
logosres:odcc;hw=Cranmer,_Thomas
logosres:131chrstnsknw;hw=Thomas_Cranmer
(BTW, if you don't have any of these resources, I would highly recommend them.)
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Michael Anda said:
Upped my bid to the going rate. What can you tell me about the guy?
Glad you asked.
In addition to the Wikipedia info, here's the blurb, which I'm sure you've already seen, from the Logos Product Page:
Thomas Cranmer was born in 1489, in Nottinghamshire, England. A scholar of Jesus College of Cambridge, he went on to become the Archbishop of Canterbury, remaining so during the reigns of English kings Henry VIII and Edward VI. During his time as archbishop, Cranmer along with Thomas Cromwell supported the translation of the Bible into English. Well-known for his interaction with Henry VIII, his work on The Book of Common Prayer, and his teachings on the doctrine of transubstantiation, Cranmer also helped establish the structure of the Church of England. Cranmer was martyred in 1556 in Oxford.You could also look up Macculloch's widely acclaimed biography.
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Been in since Dec 27, 2010 [:)]
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I just put my bid in.
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I am already in, but if I were not I would hop on the train as well to help a fellow student!
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Alan Charles Gielczyk said:
I am already in, but if I were not I would hop on the train as well to help a fellow student!
I appreciate the solidarity! What studies are you doing?
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As a newbie to Logos (see my nick :-) I have no idea how long it will take after the 100% is reached to actually see the download on your PC, nevertheless I'm in with a reasonable amount - higher than the current bid rate. But despite all our efforts it seems that the percentage is still at about 50%, so it might be a good idea to locate this elsewhere, if you need it for a master's thesis...
Good luck & blessings,
MickHave joy in the Lord!
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NewbieMick said:
As a newbie to Logos (see my nick :-) I have no idea how long it will take after the 100% is reached to actually see the download on your PC, nevertheless I'm in with a reasonable amount - higher than the current bid rate. But despite all our efforts it seems that the percentage is still at about 50%, so it might be a good idea to locate this elsewhere, if you need it for a master's thesis...
Good luck & blessings,
MickThanks NewbieMick. I'm still determined to get as many bids as possible!! Remaining optimistic (whilst tentatively looking at other sources!)
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Richard Wardman said:
I am not sure Richard, but that is when I saw it on my hopepage and ordered it.
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Another helpful introduction to whet the apetite. This is a silent, but stirring video giving the final speech of Cranmer before being burnt alive.
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*Bump* [;)]
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Ok. The Thomas Cranmer Collection is still only at about 50% on Community Pricing.
I'm out of ideas of how to get this higher. Any tips out there? I'm not quite willing to admit defeat just yet!!!!
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Richard Wardman said:
I'm out of ideas of how to get this higher. Any tips out there? I'm not quite willing to admit defeat just yet!!!!
Write a blog post about how wonderful this resource is/will be and then email it to Jayson at jayson.bradley@logos.com
Rosie's done it in the past, why not you?
Prov. 15:23
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I've been in for awhile on that one myself. Hope this one goes over the top and your thesis is a smash! Best of luck!
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Kevin Becker said:Richard Wardman said:
I'm out of ideas of how to get this higher. Any tips out there? I'm not quite willing to admit defeat just yet!!!!
Write a blog post about how wonderful this resource is/will be and then email it to Jayson at jayson.bradley@logos.com
Rosie's done it in the past, why not you?
That's a plan. Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a go!
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Oldnewbie said:
I've been in for awhile on that one myself. Hope this one goes over the top and your thesis is a smash! Best of luck!
Thanks!
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I'm in too.
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Okay, I'm in too. Hope it works out for you (and for me, now!)[:D]
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Ronald Quick said:
I'm in too.
Michael March said:Okay, I'm in too. Hope it works out for you (and for me, now!)
Thanks you guys!
Any more for any more?
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For those interested, or still undecided, see this new thread giving more reasons for investing in the Thomas Cranmer Collection.
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David Moser said:
I'm one of those who automatically bids max value for every community pricing product that shows up.
How do I word this and not seem negative? I am not trying to criticize your biding at the MAX value [if I understand your post correctly] but if everyone had bid MAX we would have not gotten Barnes at $30. [We might have gotten it a lot sooner] Please explain how biding MAX strategy works.
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David Ames said:
Please explain how biding MAX strategy works.
I'll admit to having bid the max for the Catena Aurea ... and would have bid higher if I had the option. I bid the maximum I am willing to pay for a resource. Then I can ignore it until it moves to under development. I don't have to keep watching to see if I need to up my bid a bit to get thre resource.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:David Ames said:
Please explain how biding MAX strategy works.
I'll admit to having bid the max for the Catena Aurea ... and would have bid higher if I had the option. I bid the maximum I am willing to pay for a resource. Then I can ignore it until it moves to under development. I don't have to keep watching to see if I need to up my bid a bit to get thre resource.
You never need to watch it to see if you need to raise your bid since they send you a notice when it reaches 100% to let you know that your bid is too low giving you time to raise your bid. This is providing you read your e-mail.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I'm in
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David Ames said:David Moser said:
I'm one of those who automatically bids max value for every community pricing product that shows up.
How do I word this and not seem negative? I am not trying to criticize your biding at the MAX value [if I understand your post correctly] but if everyone had bid MAX we would have not gotten Barnes at $30. [We might have gotten it a lot sooner] Please explain how biding MAX strategy works.
I was wondering about this as well David (Ames). I guess the question is whether bidding at MAX value hinders or slows down the process of reaching 100%. Not being anything one could call a mathematician my little brain can't even begin to fathom what kind of algorithms might be involved! In my world, it seems that if everyone bid at the same price then we'd reach 100% sooner AND the price would eventually be lower. Have I got that wrong? Can someone explain!?
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Actually I don't think that's true and I'll tell you why. If everyone who bid for Barnes at $30 had bid at the max, we would have still gotten it at $30.David Ames said:How do I word this and not seem negative? I am not trying to criticize your biding at the MAX value [if I understand your post correctly] but if everyone had bid MAX we would have not gotten Barnes at $30. [We might have gotten it a lot sooner] Please explain how biding MAX strategy works.
Let's assume for the sake of ease that 1,000 people bid at $30 making it cross the line. That means that only 500 people would need to have bid at $60 to make it work and only 250 people would have been needed at $120.
However if all 1,000 people bid at $120 than not only would Barnes have crossed the line at $120, the line would have been crossed at every point down the line up to and including $30. Thus we still would have gotten it at $30.
There are other variables to consider of course - timing being a large part of it. If there weren't enough time for the full 1,000 to bid at max than the price would have been higher that $30, but depending on how many bids did get it, still much less than $120.
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Thomas Black said:
Let's assume for the sake of ease that 1,000 people bid at $30 making it cross the line. That means that only 500 people would need to have bid at $60 to make it work and only 250 people would have been needed at $120.
However if all 1,000 people bid at $120 than not only would Barnes have crossed the line at $120, the line would have been crossed at every point down the line up to and including $30. Thus we still would have gotten it at $30.
The problem, which has been discussed in another thread, is that if people all start bidding the max on a title that most people feel isn't worth that much, the peak on the chart will form at a price that is way higher than most people are willing to bid. Even though we all know the price could eventually come down some in the final days after reaching 100% if enough more people bid, the very fact that the target price is so high is a deterrent to more people bidding. So it can actually prevent the thing from going over the top at all, at least for a very long time. And because of how slow the bidding is, the likelihood that it will come down much from $120 in your example is pretty low. If on the other hand, more people were to jump on the bandwagon early on at a price like $30 or even somewhat higher, way more people would think that is a reasonable price and will go ahead and bid at that peak or thereabouts. Will it be 4x as many? Not sure, but even if it does take a really long time to reach enough people to make it go over the top at $30, we'll get it for $30 (or more likely $20 or $25) rather than $120 or $100.
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Rosie Perera said:Thomas Black said:
Let's assume for the sake of ease that 1,000 people bid at $30 making it cross the line. That means that only 500 people would need to have bid at $60 to make it work and only 250 people would have been needed at $120.
However if all 1,000 people bid at $120 than not only would Barnes have crossed the line at $120, the line would have been crossed at every point down the line up to and including $30. Thus we still would have gotten it at $30.
The problem, which has been discussed in another thread, is that if people all start bidding the max on a title that most people feel isn't worth that much, the peak on the chart will form at a price that is way higher than most people are willing to bid. Even though we all know the price could eventually come down some in the final days after reaching 100% if enough more people bid, the very fact that the target price is so high is a deterrent to more people bidding. So it can actually prevent the thing from going over the top at all, at least for a very long time. And because of how slow the bidding is, the likelihood that it will come down much from $120 in your example is pretty low. If on the other hand, more people were to jump on the bandwagon early on at a price like $30 or even somewhat higher, way more people would think that is a reasonable price and will go ahead and bid at that peak or thereabouts. Will it be 4x as many? Not sure, but even if it does take a really long time to reach enough people to make it go over the top at $30, we'll get it for $30 (or more likely $20 or $25) rather than $120 or $100.
Rosie's explanation seems more logical to me. Why don't we all try it!? [;)]
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Richard Wardman said:
Rosie's explanation seems more logical to me
Hm. Possibly it depends on the kind of person you are. As I'm kind of less patient, I feel frustrated when I see CP products at 10%. Actually I re-sort the titles to "progress" view, after checking that there is nothing new, thus I may not see those any more at all. The other way round, if percentages rise up faster, I tend to look into the resource to find out what I might miss if I didn't take part in the bid.
In addition to that, a higher price signals to me, that there are people who find this resource very helpful - whereas I would not want to invest into a collection of "the complete sermons of John Zebedias Smith in 38 volumes", even if it is at 10 USD, if obviously no one cares about them.
When I see the bidding peak at a considerably higher amount than I was in or planned to spend, I tend to re-examine the resource for what might be the content that leads others to bid high. Then even if I won't bid as high, I bid some price - and maybe higher than I initially intended. So if the peak was at 100+ USD, I'd bid a price and wouldn't go away without bidding at all, which Rosie's argument assumes.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Rosie adequately explains human behavior, mine adequately explains the program. Now if we can just get them to work together... [;)]
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Thomas Black said:
Rosie adequately explains human behavior, mine adequately explains the program. Now if we can just get them to work together...
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Thomas Black said:
Rosie adequately explains human behavior, mine adequately explains the program. Now if we can just get them to work together...
Theoretically you may be correct. The fact is, however, that when one looks at Community Pricing offerings, he does not expect or intend to pay $160.00 for ANYTHING. Barnes went for $30.00 One item went for $1.00. Many have gone for around $12.00. When I finally decided to bid on the Revelation collection, I immediately bid only $50.00 because I was not willing to spend the $160.00 which was the dominant bid. If it finally went for that, forget it. Any strategy which doesn't take into account the human factor isn't going to adequately predict what is likely to happen. I would recommend lowballing it -- at least it may seem as though you're lowballing it. Bid what you would be willing to pay for any collection of similar size regardless of what it actually happens to contain, and perhaps bid slightly lower.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I agree George - I was just explaining the mechanics re:bidding max and it's affect on lower price points.George Somsel said:Theoretically you may be correct. The fact is, however, that when one looks at Community Pricing offerings, he does not expect or intend to pay $160.00 for ANYTHING...
While I once did bid max on everything I now personally only pay what I consider my true max - though from time to time I've flexed at the last to make sure that I got in on the succeeding bid and went higher to match it.
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Rosie Perera said:
if people all start bidding the max on a title that most people feel isn't worth that much, the peak on the chart will form at a price that is way higher than most people are willing to bid.
from a community pricing web page: "Click on the highest price you'd pay. If the final price is lower, that's what you'll pay."
I thought that Logos had a significant number of people taking the literal meaning as fundamental. Just follow the Logos instructions.[;)]
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