Does your WIFE read AMISH Fiction (Anabaptist Fiction.

If she does they she is probably more educated on the ANABAPTIST than you are!!!!

It has been reported that Amaish Fictions (which is usually written about Amish/Mennonites/Hutterites) has in this last year been risen to one of the highest rates of sells of any other Fiction.

People are facinated about these cultures.... To Bad you can not look up in LOGOs and read about what the Amish would call their catachism; or the book almost every conservative mennonite gives his son upon marriage. The great histories of the Hutteites. I also find that it is quite disheartning to not be able to search the writtings of famous authors from the radical reformatiom (know as the third reformation which sprang forth Mennonite, Bretherian, Amish, Baptist and even what is called "the third way" which has slowly risen here and is spreading over Europe in the form of home churches.

LOGOS is Prehaps the best software ever made. It is certainly the BEST BIBLE software. But software is not complete if the data is keep out. THe USSR had great textbooks on America, however the where missing many fact and thus could be written to show America in a different light.. BEFORE YOU SAY THIS IS NOT THE SAME SITUATION - I AGREE! But how much can you factually tell your wife about the anabaptist. How far does your history go in a Baptist Church.. This I do know, I was Baptist and still stop by on occassion. Is your history viewed from the radicals or from the Lutherians and Catholics? Have you ever read Dirk Philips, Michael Sattler, Menno Simons, Balthasar Hübmaier, and the many other authors of reform in oposition to the Catholics and further than LUTHER? Do you know Anabatist Doctrine? Have you read FOX's book of Martyrs - then how about the Martyr's Mirro, the Hutteritews "Big Book"? I feel almost sorry for the lack of knowledge but understand the reasons.

LOGOs has know of this short coming for YEARS. Some of the publishing houses which publish the below books are already contracted. Many writtingsa are public domain. Many others are just Mom and Pop publishers most operating just for cost of living. THERE IS A NEED. LOGOs does not see the need or does not see a profit or perhaps just believesw there is no need... how many Amish have computers, the others don't care. PERHAPS they are right.

My SUGGESTION (Again) is for LOGOS to start a package of these books or perhaps just start throwing a few in with the other material which, though some works are wonderful and some is good the other I do not understand it's priority to be hastened for reprint.. EXPECCIALLY when there is DIVERSE UNPRINTED material which has hardly been touched,

I know the ANABAPTIST BOOKSTORE which are few and usually located near comunity has seen increases in book sells which I would guess is in response to the Amish Fiction taking off in sells. The number of Fiction writers now w2ritting Anabaptst works has increassed dramatically. They and the bookstore sees the trend. It is somewhat discouraqging to speak with other students of the word of God who are ignorant on these subjest, having read maybe one or two books from this reformation and owning maybe many hundreds or works and references of works on Lutherian reformation/

After years of request, I do not expect action. But I will repost this list anyways

Sorry for my typing mistakes, hard time seeing and SMALL keyboard.

IF YOU AGREE AT ALL - Please state so on this post or perhaps a new one. Knowledge without Diversity was always know to me as indoctrination. What does it mean to you? Thanks again Jeff

Adding to the List - Would make a great Anabaptis Package!!!

The Complete Writings of Menno Simons: Circa 1496-1561
The Legacy of Michael Sattler (Classics of the Radical Reformation, vol. 1) (Michael Sattler) Confessions:
The Writings of Pilgram Marpeck (Classics of the Radical Reformation, vol. 2)
Anabaptism in Outline: Selected Primary Sources (Classics of the Radical Reformation series, vol. 3) (Walter Klaassen, ed.)
The Sources of Swiss Anabaptism (Classics of the Radical Reformation series, vol. 4) (Conrad Grebel, Leland Harder, ed.)
Balthasar Hübmaier: Theologian of Anabaptism (Classics of the Radical Reformation, vol. 5) (Balthasar Hübmaier)
The Writings of Dirk Philips (Classics of the Radical Reformation, vol. 6)
Early Anabaptist Spirituality (Classics of Western Spirituality series) (Daniel Liechty, ed.)
The Martyrs' Mirror (Thieleman Van Bragt; trans. by Joseph F. Sohm); must include the famous etchings by Jan Luiken
Readings from Mennonite Writings, New and Old (J. Craig Haas, ed.)
The Schleitheim Confession
Dordrecht Confession of Faith
Confession of Faith in a Mennonite Perspective (Herald Press) - contemporary
The Anabaptist Story: An Introduction to Sixteenth-Century Anabaptism, 3rd ed. (William R. Estep) - already available; part of the 2 volume "The Anabaptists" collection
Erasmus, the Anabaptists, and the Great Commission (Abraham Friesen) - already available; part of the 2 volume "The Anabaptists" collection
A Contemporary Anabaptist Theology (Thomas N. Finger) - already available
Mirror of the Martyrs (John S. Oyer & Robert S. Kreider)
Marpeck: A Life of Dissent and Conformity (Studies in Anabaptist and Mennonite History) (Walter Klaassen & William Klassen)
Dirk Philips, Friend and Colleague of Menno Simons, 1504-1568 (Jacobus ten Doornkaat Koolman, trans. by William Keeney)
The Life and Thought of Michael Sattler (C. Arnold Snyder)
An Introduction to Mennonite History (Cornelius Dyck)
The Anabaptist Vision (Harold S. Bender) - originally a presidential address presented to the American Society of Church History, this classic text was published in booklet format by Herald Press in 1944
The Mennonite Encyclopedia
Spiritual Life in Anabaptism (Cornelius Dyck)
Glimpses of Mennonite History and Doctrine (John Christian Wenger)
Anabaptist History & Theology: An Introduction (C. Arnold Snyder)
Mennonite Historical Atlas (Helmut Huebert)
Introduction To The Russian Mennonites (Wally Kroeker)
Biblical Interpretation in the Anabaptist Tradition (Studies in the Believers Church Tradition) (Stuart Murray)
Becoming Anabaptist: The Origin and Significance of Sixteenth Century Anabaptism (J. Denny Weaver)
Who Are the Anabaptists: Amish, Brethren, Hutterites, and Mennonites (Donald B. Kraybill)
Beliefs: Mennonite Faith and Practice (John D. Roth)
Doctrins of the Bible by Daniel Kauffman - Herald Press.
A Bible Treasure by William R. McGraff - Amish Mennonite Publications

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George Somsel

My SUGGESTION (Again) is for LOGOS to start a package of these books or perhaps just start throwing a few in with the other material which, though some works are wonderful and some is good the other I do not understand it's priority to be hastened for reprint.. EXPECCIALLY when there is DIVERSE UNPRINTED material which has hardly been touched,

I can think of two works related to the Mennonites offhand -- Erasmus the Anabaptists and the Great Commission and The Anabaptist Story: An Introduction to Sixteenth-Century Anabaptism. I would agree that more material would be welcome since more historical-type material is always welcome, but I don't agree that Logos should "start a package of these books (the ones you list) since that would be another mamouth package. It should be broken down into smaller chunks.

Josh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/228975#Comment_228975

What are some good Amish fiction books?

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/228980#Comment_228980

Nice list, Fred. I have a couple of those in dead-tree variety, but not Logos. Good suggestions.

Joooooooooooosh . . . . [;)]

Fred J. Morgan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/228975#Comment_228975

There is also a commentart set which is Anabaptist (Believers Church Commentary) - Even if there were ten such resouces it would only represent less than .05% of resources! Do you Know anything about the swiss reformation, Radtcal reformation.... Any info you do havecomes from either Prostant or Catholic resources UNLESS YOU RESEARCH INTERNET ... Really show limitation of your knowledge only using LOGOS.

2 work you know of....... that really is ashame.

recommend a few cheap books from scroll publishing to show that the Anabaptist perspective goes long before the modern reformation which you will never find in logos. And some anabaptist history website with is not ran by other faiths to learn about the third reformation. Maybe the Martyr's Mirror online.

Good Luck Jeff

Fred J. Morgan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/228980#Comment_228980

Lost... Go To a bookstore like Barns and Nobles, Books-a-Million or even Wally World (Wal-Mart) or ask your wife if she reads.

I always ask my better half... she loves these which I find funny since we are Mennonite... However we are both friend with many Amish Fiction authors on Facebook. Many are we nice and Christian.

I'll list a couple below in another post.

Fred J. Morgan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/228998#Comment_228998

Recommend Scroll Publishing for a start in looking for others - Also links to Amish Publishers which do not run Internet sites.

Fred J. Morgan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/228980#Comment_228980

Beverly Lewis, Wanda Brunstetter, Bonnie Grove, Laura Vincent Price Hilton, Kim Vogel Sawer, Anita Higman are some of the Amish fiction Authors.

Titles are numerious litterally hundred in the store now.

Recommend

Redemption of Sara Cane
Rosanne of the Amish (Very Old but one of the best)

Amazon Short list: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Amish-Fiction/lm/R3VU6A98DY8L7R

More many pages with discriptions. : http://www.amazon.com/gp/community-content-search/results?ie=UTF8&flatten=1&search-alias=rp-listmania&query=amish%20fiction

Best wishes enjoy, I do not read many of these prefer history and theology.

Jeff

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/229017#Comment_229017

Do you Know anything about the swiss reformation, Radtcal reformation.... Any info you do havecomes from either Prostant or Catholic resources

Don't underestimate the diversity of this community. My knowledge comes from recommended readings (30 years ago) from a professor who was raised in India where his parents were Mennonite missionaries.[:)]

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/229017#Comment_229017

There is also a commentart set which is Anabaptist (Believers Church Commentary)

I have that. My dad actually said he has found it quite useful--and based on that I have started looking at it more. I didn't know (before that) that it was anabaptist.

2 work you know of....... that really is ashame

maybe, but it is a start! [:)] I have some of those from a class that looked at the whole "Reformation Period": Luther, Calvin, Anabaptist, "Counter-Reformation" etc. I have as many Anabaptist as each of the others. I appreciate having a broad view.

One thing i learned: I didn't know there was such a thing as Amish Fiction.

Fred J. Morgan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/229051#Comment_229051

@M.J. Smith - The POINT I do belive you have missed...

It's not the lack of diversity in the community that I question, I am sure there are many other (I know for a fact) come from simular backgrounds and some may know Anabaptist history, Though I attend a simi-conservative (Head-covering, foot wash communion, but only a portin in caape dress all other just modest which is fine) and amung these many do not know there own history. This is why some of us own LOGOS! To learn!!!!!

The POINT is the LACK of DIVERSITY is not the people but the LOGOs RESOURCES!!!!! Little to no ANABAPTIST MATERIAL! [;)]

Fred J. Morgan

I have had the problem in the past that LOGOS followers believe this is an attack on LOGOS.... It Not! It is something to HELP EVERYONE!

I simply do not understand the resistance?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/229570#Comment_229570

I simply do not understand the resistance?

I don't think there is resistance to Logos carrying more Anabaptist material. They should. There are groups even more poorly covered in which Logos should also offer. My post was in response to what sounded like an assumption all Logos users were misinformed or uninformed on Anabaptists. A straight-forward request for specific resources with a short description of what those resources are important might get more positive feedback. Or, you might include some quotations from particular works to show us why we should push Logos for their inclusion.

I apologize if I came across as resisting the resources - I do have an over-developed tendency to resist being put in boxes that don't fit - and I fell into it.

Fred J. Morgan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/229641#Comment_229641

I too apologize to all if my "Voice was condensending" It was indended to make one think of what they are missing... A LARGE part of Christian Faiths and History! I have tried throught the years to post bot individual books and groups of books.... NEVER SEEING ONE MOVE FROM LOGOS. I have spoken directly with the owners on one occasion or another... Usually with I'll look into this, or at least the ones form this company or another which we have aggrements with, or I think thats a good idea... I have spoken to the sales reps, and anyone else who will listen. I have e-mail directly to them and suggestions for years.... again no ACTION.... It is beyond belief to me that something which was intentionally played down in history as being "A Truely Radical and Violent Reform Movement (Catholic Encyclopedia - AMISH MENNONITE VIOLENT???) or played as very insugnefficant by the Protestant Movement.... Both of which Martyred Hundreds of thousands simply because they would not recant that the Bible took presidense over a Pope or not vowing to the Lutherian Church State on condions like Works or infant Baptism. Granted their was one violent group who were called by BOTH denomination Anabaptist - they were not. How long before the Histories are truely available. How long does it take for a Worldwide Christian faith to be represented, one which is Biblical, Apostolic Modeled, has offshots like the Mennonites, Amish, Hutterites, Breatherian, Baptists, Home Church Movement and variaous other off center consrevative Christian groups around the world????

It is not my point to make anyone think I am challengeing them about their quilafications or knowledge... But if the material is not there, how much do you really know? Isn't this what a Good Bible library suppose to be about. Truith? Diversity? Knowledge? Without Resoures is this possible?

Thanks Again for all who have read these and thank again for you patience for my rants...

God Bless - Jeff (Fred J Morgan - morganfj - gmail and facebook https://sites.google.com/site/morganfj/ )

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/229915#Comment_229915

My experience:

I would like more Orthodox resources available on Logos partially because I think many users would be more open to Orthodox sources rather than Catholic sources. I made recommendations on the Suggestions forum and suggestions@logos.com. This got thumbs up from the forums users I would have expected and no response from Logos.

I looked the situation over and noted that there was a demand for Patristic writings and the offerings were old translations of a strictly Greek/Latin collection. So I see a market for contemporary translations of Patristic writings that includes Syriac, Coptic and Desert Fathers as well as the classic Greek/Latin fathers. I decided that the Popular Patristics series from St. Vladimir Seminary Press would likely sell well.

So I write both the president of Logos and the head of St. Vladimir Press suggesting the partnership. I provide the link to Logos' web site so that St. Vladimir's understanding what I am requesting. Bob (from Logos) forwards the request to their publishers relations staff. I have just heard again from St. Vladimir's Press asking which volumes would be best to start with.

I don't know that a deal has been worked out but I do know that they are in contact. I think that they will form a partnership because I honestly believe that it is advantageous for organizations. Yes, there are other Orthodox publishers whose materials I would like to see - but I have no evidence of a mutually advantageous market. I hope in the future to see other useful partnerships ... but I wouldn't send either side a proposal that can't be "sold" in two paragraphs. Two paragraphs is all I expect executives to read of unsolicited mail from unknown persons.

If I were you, I would first divide the list into items that are in the public domain and those under copyright. For those under copyright, I'd consider what seems to get out of pre-pub quickly and see what on my list best fits those parameters. I would then contact the publisher to see if they are open to the collaboration. Then I'd send a joint letter to Logos and the publisher and post it on the forums so Logos can judge the interest. Then you sit back and wait. If in 6 months or so you are not successful, revisit what is the most marketable works and try again with another publisher. I am going on my 3rd year trying to track down someone with the authority to permit even PBB's of some Coptic commentaries. I'm thinking of publishing them as PBB's at $600 a shot which I think would get someone after me very quickly. (Just kidding folks ... just frustration humor.)

A ploy that another user used in L3 which you can consider when the PBB function comes out - he was frustrated with the lack of Restorational resources so he made PBB's of public domain materials with the hope that the demand would result in Logos interest.

And, yes, my maiden name is quite common in Lancaster County, PA.

Hope this helps.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/229024#Comment_229024

Beverly Lewis, Wanda Brunstetter, Bonnie Grove, Laura Vincent Price Hilton, Kim Vogel Sawer, Anita Higman are some of the Amish fiction Authors.

My bride also recommends B J Hoff, Beth Wiseman, and Amy Clipston.

Fred J. Morgan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/229968#Comment_229968

All good writers, FB friends, real down to earth...

Beth has been busy, plus father just passed.

Still recommend to all those Amish fiction people - find an old version of "Rosanne of the Amish" PA Dutch is added a bit more for authenic read.... Husbands... buy this from Amazon for your wife, she'll love it.

Fred J. Morgan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/229923#Comment_229923

Myself and authors like David Bercot see the real Anabaptis steeped with the echos of the Orthodox Apostolic church. There is no question the Catholic seperated far from Orthodoxy. Any movement to accuire Orthodox writting has my sponsorship. I know all churches want to trace there history to the Apostols... Only true orthodox of living no in this world ofr sin and living by the bible cn do this.

Anabaptist, Early Church and Orthodox ..... never forget the Lollard and others outside the Catholic state church trying to keep Apostolic tradion going.

Fred J. - Jeff

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231211#Comment_231211

Myself and authors like David Bercot see the real Anabaptis steeped with the echos of the Orthodox Apostolic church. There is no question the Catholic seperated far from Orthodoxy. Any movement to accuire Orthodox writting has my sponsorship. I know all churches want to trace there history to the Apostols... Only true orthodox of living no in this world ofr sin and living by the bible cn do this.

Anabaptist, Early Church and Orthodox ..... never forget the Lollard and others outside the Catholic state church trying to keep Apostolic tradion going.

Fred J. - Jeff

Please follow the forum guidelines regarding theological judgments. You may find http://www.melkite.org/sa3.htm and http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/ch_orthodox_docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20071013_documento-ravenna_en.html enlightening. WARNING: These are official church documents hence theologically biased and appropriate for Logos resources not Logos forums.

Fred J. Morgan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231216#Comment_231216

Hard to make theological stqatements without bothering someone. Of course we all make choices which say certain religion do not count. Hindu, JW, Mormon...... we tend to draw lines which are not quite as defined as Christ would make..

Loved the links.. Always interesting finding new information.... .

Thank You.

Fred

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231306#Comment_231306

I would like to see The Reformers and Their Stepchildren by Leonard Verduin.