Ephesians: An Exegetical Commentary (Hoehner)

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Its a Baker Academic title; any chance it going to prepub in light of this Baker agreement?

It's been suggested and requested. I guess we'll know when (and if) it hits the pre-pub page. I just hope they don't bundle it in with a bunch of less useful stuff but offer it like the other Baker Academic volumes. 

If it pre-pubs by itself it will be at 100% in a day.

Its a Baker Academic title; any chance it going to prepub in light of this Baker agreement?

It's been suggested and requested. I guess we'll know when (and if) it hits the pre-pub page. I just hope they don't bundle it in with a bunch of less useful stuff but offer it like the other Baker Academic volumes. 

If it pre-pubs by itself it will be at 100% in a day.

Agree 100%- I have quit buying bundles for that very reason and will wait, even if I pay more, for the book to go single.

Maybe Bob Pritchett or someone at Logos knows if all the Baker books that were going to hit prepub already have.  It sure would be nice if Hoehner's book did hit prepub.  You're right; it would be at 100% in one day.  [:)]

I would place my order the day it hits!!!

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I believe that it is just a matter of time, Bob said a while ago that almost all books that have ever been requested from Baker will be published. This one is on top of many lists

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I'd buy it in a heartbeat. 

Same here... gets my vote! [Y]

As Mark mentioned, this has been requested and suggested.

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/9503/76182.aspx#76182

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/7899/62632.aspx#62632

It's the best commentary on Ephesians that I own. I'll add another thumb's up to my initial vote. [Y][Y][Y]

It's the best commentary on Ephesians that I own. I'll add another thumb's up to my initial vote.

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I'd get this ASAP. I'm not sure it would be in time to help me with the Ephesians Bible study I'm leading now, but I'd still love to have it. I may have to break down and get the print version.

Donnie

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I'd get it as well. 

me too.

Waiting (im)patiently....(foot tapping).......[:)]

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Any word yet on Hoehner? Surely we're close to a prepub...(?)

Why not start if off in Community Pricing and see if there is enough interest  :P

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Hoehner's Ephesians is coming to Logos!

http://www.logos.com/product/29051/baker-academic-commentary-collection?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LogosPrepubs+%28Logos+Pre-Publications%29

Yeah- but at a couple hundred bucks- think I will wait till it's a loner.

Yeah- but at a couple hundred bucks- think I will wait till it's a loner.

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Yeah- but at a couple hundred bucks- think I will wait till it's a loner.

If it ever becomes a loner. Has to get enough bids as a package, first.

I haven't done the math but McComishey's 3 volumes on the Minor Prophets is good and I believe Keener on John is one that I would purchase. I'm not familiar with the others in the package. I did go ahead and place my pre-pub order.

Are the volumes on Eph by Hoehner, and the volume on the Minor Prophets, evangelical? Or how would You describe them?

I can't speak for Minor Prophets volume, but Hoehner was solidly evangelical. At the time of his death, he was a member of the New Testament faculty at Dallas Theological Seminary, a conservative evangelical seminary. His Ephesians commentary is the go-to resource for 4th-semester Greek students at Dallas as they study Ephesians.

On Saturday I deleted the pre-order because of the answer I got in the above post: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/12563/443804.aspx#443804

On Saturday I deleted the pre-order because of the answer I got in: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/12563/443804.aspx#443804

Did you delete your prepub just because it is an evangelical work?

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In my opinion, it is a great mistake to dismiss a commentary just because it is from a theological tradition that you do not agree with. This is especially true when it comes to top technical commentaries that offer insights that are invaluable no matter what theological views are espoused by the author.

I am an evangelical myself and I took a doctoral seminar taught by Hoehner years ago and I was impressed by his humility, accessibility, scholarship, attention to details and insights. Aside of the fact that he was a Mac user, there was little not to like about him. [:D]

I try to get the top five commentaries for every book of the Bible, and this quest led me to acquire commentaries that are outside the evangelical world including commentaries from the Anchor Yale Bible commentaries, Hermeneia, and the ICC series. I cannot pretend to do serious studies of some of the books of the Bible without consulting some of the commentaries in the above series.

Good scholarship is good scholarship no matter who presents it.

The review from Serge Cazelais for RBL (Review of Biblical Literature from SBL) shows how impressed he was with Hoehner's Ephesians even though he did not share his conclusions on Pauline authorship or the author's conservative theological angle.

"The book opens with an impressive bibliography devoted to commentaries on Ephesians,  both ancient and modern. Hoehner includes a useful although not exhaustive selection of  Patristic literature. "

"Convinced of the Pauline authorship of Ephesians, Hoehner emphasizes its internal coherence, overall theological unity, and stylistic similarity with those letters of Paul that are universally recognized as authentic. If I may be allowed to express my own view on this issue, before reading this commentary I would have readily accepted the deuteroPauline character of Ephesians primarily on the basis of the modern consensus. I must  admit that Hoehnerís discussion on the topics proves almost convincing. His book is well documented and presents and discusses fairly the multiple facets of the question. His views are expressed concisely and clearly. Hoehner succeeds in convincing the reader to reevaluate the pseudonymous character of this New Testament letter."

"As I said earlier, Hoehner is always concerned about internal and external coherence and  gives much importance to the overall unity of Pauline theology. In his commentary itself,  Hoehner offers a meticulous discussion of every verse of the letter, going into great detail  as he exposes and challenges  the varied interpretations of modern scholars. Placing  considerable emphasis on textual problems, he spends a great deal of time on issues of  vocabulary, style, and composition. Concerning vocabulary, Hoehner makes great use of the notion of intertextuality in the Pauline letters and in the New Testament generally and gives examples from the LXX or where necessary from other Koine sources such as the papyri or Hellenistic literature. The commentary that he offers is both nuanced and lucid. While the author ís conservative theological and exegetical positions are clearly enunciated, his work exhibits a high level of assurance and maturity and will undoubtedly be a standard tool for those working in the field. Hoehnerís treatment of the scholarly literature on Ephesians makes this work useful not only to students and scholars but even for pastors and catechists. Readers unfamiliar with Greek will, however, have some difficulty in making full use of this commentary. "

For the full review see the following link

http://www.bookreviews.org/pdf/3077_3355.pdf

I didn't know anything of this about the Eph commentary but I still think I made the right decision, what You cited only confirms that.
I have very few complete sets, but totally I have good commentaries from ~ a dozen different sets, among them:

• Hermeneia (whole set in Logos except Upgrade 2 (originally I bought just the Upgrade containing Mt 1-7, Mk, Acts but returned it), plus one print volume Mt chapters 8-20 which I've had since the Fall 2011),
• for Malachi: Wherein Have We Robbed God? Malachi’s Message for the Men of Today by G. Campbell Morgan 1898,
• Paideia (Ro) by a Roman Catholic, but I think this volume is so good that You can read it even if You don't agree with Catholics,
• ICC (2 Cor volume 1 chapters 1-7 by Thrall which I've had since Sept 20. 2012, and Pastorals by I. Howard Marshall which I've had since Saturday),
• Believer's Church Bible Commentary (Prv and 1-2 Thess), this is an Anabaptist set, not to be confused with sets with similar names that don't have the word Church in the title,
• Richard Bauckham (1999). James. Routledge. 246 pages. I've suggested this volume to Logos: Re: What resources would you most like to see available in Logos?,
• besides the Hermeneia -volume, for 1 Pt I use Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture (that one as printed matter),
• for Jude I use mainly the volume by Jonathan Knight but I agreed on some of the content of the above volume (CCSS),
• plus good introductions to many books both Biblical and beyond: end-of-2011 Oxford Encyclopedia of the Books of the Bible. This as printed matter of course.

For 1 Clem I use a 1937 translation with commentary, by W. K. Lowther Clarke, a Roman Catholic, Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge. For Isaiah 1-39 I use Continental. I've read The Gospel according to JOHN, by Pheme Perkins, © 1978 Franciscan Herald Press four times. For Gn I use mainly the volume by David W. Cotter from the Berit Olam -series. Lange's for Jonah. Most of these are as printed matter only.

Maashe, You are welcome to discuss commentaries in: Practical Commentary on Scripture. Bump it please, even though there hasn't been new posts for a while!

I would have wanted the Mk commentary in the Baker Academic set on pre-pub, it appealed to me and it's by a Catholic and I recognized one of the reviewers on the product page. But I already have Hermeneia on Mk, plus one commentary that I forgot to mention in my above post: Biblical Performance Criticism Series (4 vols.) The latter is more critical than the average Baker title.
I don't need more commentaries than I can handle. I read several of the commentaries I have very carefully, as You can see from: Reading Commentaries. I'm NOT mainly using Logos as reference to look up one passage at a time - altough I do that too.

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I try to get the top five commentaries for every book of the Bible, and this quest led me to acquire commentaries that are outside the evangelical world

I quickly regretted and no longer want that Baker Academic volume on Mk:

I would have wanted the Mk commentary in the Baker Academic set on pre-pub, it appealed to me and it's by a Catholic and I recognized one of the reviewers on the product page.

I just got home yet another commentary on Mt: Companion God A Cross-Cultural Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew, by George T. Montague, Revised Edition, Paulist press 2010, as printed matter.

Unix are you a Roman catholic?