Prices on Morris Proctor-200.00 price tag!

Far be it for me to complain, if our economy was the best in the world and everyone living the good life and perhaps some tv evangelist burning money because it was so good financially this year, 200 dollars for two DVD's!

I know this is a business but wandering what your forecasts for your break even point. Many competitors are not as strong and somewhat wander-are these high prices because of a lack of a competitor?

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Juanita

are these high prices because of a lack of a competitor?

As others have said or intimated (in another thread), Morris is a great, great teacher so one could say they are worth the price from that standpoint.

There is no other paid competitor who has quantity and quality of output that is on par with Morris Proctor's and IMO, if there was a paid competitor, prices may reflect that. We have some unofficial Logos tutorial videos of very high quality that we can all access freely. So I am thankful for those.

I would be interested in different opinions from others.

Dennis Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236209#Comment_236209

I don't have a fully functional Logos Mac program yet that justifies the cost of learning how to use it to it's full potential. If I had that I would definitely consider it but for me Logos has become a secondary resource for my studies and that only because of what I already had invested in it before I found an alternative that works as advertised.

David Carter

It's the "if it costs a lot it must be good" pricing model. [:#]

I wouldn't buy them myself or recommend them.

I much prefer the price tag on these excellent resources:

The wonderful videos by Mark Barnes
The comprehensive Logos Wiki
The amazing contributions from the incredibly knowledgeable members of this forum

Having said that, I am not a professional theologian, academic, scholar or preacher - maybe other peoples needs are different from mine.

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236221#Comment_236221

I much prefer the price tag on these excellent resources:

The wonderful videos by Mark Barnes

The comprehensive Logos Wiki

The amazing contributions from the incredibly knowledgeable members of this forum

Having said that, I am not a professional theologian, academic, scholar or preacher - maybe other peoples needs are different from mine.

Yes, I prefer their price tag, too, David. But, can I rely on a member of the Logos community who does the videos to make just the one I need help with-some time in the future which is also unknown to me? Particularly when I know Morris covers it in his dvd series.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236221#Comment_236221

My guess is that these videos represent the bulk of information he shares during his classes and that he created them because people asked for them. If he sold these videos for $40, why would anyone go to his seminars? And if no one goes to his seminars, he can't afford to feed his family. and if he can't afford to feed his family he will need a different job. And if he has a different job, he won't be able to produce $40 videos.

I have no idea how Morris arrives at his pricing, and honestly I don't really need to. If I want to go to his seminar for $250 I'll pay it and go. If I don't want to go to his seminar's for $250 I won't. Same deal for the videos. His pricing model is completely his business (I imagine Logos' opinion fits in there somewhere) and he is the one accountable for his motives before the Lord. My paying model is completely my business and I am the one accountable to it before the Lord.

I can say I've been to his seminars (the Camp 1 series) and he does a great job teaching Logos. For those who need to learn Logos and learn better in an interactive, Q&A environment, I recommend them. I cannot speak for the videos, though, as I have not seen them.

Lonnie Ritchie

David, honesty and a limited pocketbook compel me to agree with you. I have attended Morris's seminar and it was quite informative and worth what I paid to attend. However, $200 for two DVDs is out of my price range. Especially when I can go to the Wiki and get tutorial videos free of charge. I have found Mark Barnes to be excellent and thorough in his "unofficial" tutorials. He covers a great deal of how the program works, and I believe you'll be well served, and your pocketbook fatter, by going there and taking a look. I hope this helps. Peace.

Lonnie

Jim VanSchoonhoven

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236229#Comment_236229

I think I have bought every resource Morris put out for Libronix 3!!! I have also bought every other resource I could find for Libronix 3, no matter who put it out.

I have bought the training manuals for Logos 4, twice already and have bought John's videos. I have also watched every video I can find for Logos 4. I love those Mark Barnes videos.

So will I put out the 200.00 bucks for these??? No!!! But it is not because they are not worth it, He is beyond any doubt the best Logos teacher I have seen. He knows how to teach, I am not the smartest guy on the block, but he knows how to make the hard stuff easy!!! I would much rather have his videos then go to his seminar, the videos allow me to go through them as often as I need to to refresh my memory.

I just can not afford these videos because of the economy, I am disabled and can not work and the high prices of gas and food are forcing my wife and I to cut back on things like this. I would like to see his prices reflect the times we are in and be lowered to allow more people to see what a great teacher he is. But keep in mind although I think the price is way to high, I will be the first to admit the value of his videos are way beyond the 200.00 dollars he charges for them.

Using his Libronix videos allowed me to learn more in less time than from all other resources put together. I learned so much from his videos that I was inspired to start work on my ThD degree, and I am so glad I did. It has changed the way I study more than I could have ever imagined. I see almost no limit with what I can learn using Logos, and I give the credit to his videos.

I have never seen a better teacher in any class I have ever been in.

I am sold on his videos, but I still can not get them.

There are still some great resources out there that are a great help in learning Logos 4 and worth every penny and don't over look the Mark Barnes videos they are great and I can afford them!

In Christ,

Jim VanSchoonhoven

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236256#Comment_236256

if you are a camp alumn, you can get them for 150.

Pastor Michael Huffman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236266#Comment_236266

My Suggestion is that people look up John Fallahee at Learnlogos.com. He is a former Logos employee and an absolutely extraordinary teacher. And you will find that His training materials are very reasonably priced. And HE gives FREE webinars a few times a month and a free news letter. I understand that Morris' products are needlessly high ,he is not a not-for-profit organization and neither is John, but his work is equally as good to Morris', if not a bit better because John's DVD's are interactive which makes the learning curve better because you do each step. Give it a look.

Dennis Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236300#Comment_236300

I second that, John's stuff is very good and reasonably priced.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236357#Comment_236357

My guess is that the average Logos user might have $1000 or more invested in the program and resources. That's considerable.

Years ago, my employer sent me off for a couple days of training on a software program. While I was still green, I could open the program up and do quite a bit as a result of the class time. I was productive. I actually became motivated to go way beyond what the class taught.

If you are committed to using Logos, it's less than a cup of coffee a day for a few months. Not that much really.

Jim VanSchoonhoven

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236421#Comment_236421

I agree that John's materials are very good, but I also have done work with Morris Proctors videos and they taught me more in less time. A person must decided how far they want to go with the program and how long they want to take to get there.

For myself working it was worth far more to spend the extra money for the dvd's from Morris. However, the times have changed and I simply can not spend that kind of money on the product, but I know if I had the money I would spend it on Logos 4 because I would learn things quicker and know the program better. The time saved would mean a lot to me, so I could study more.

I am at the place where I am working on my ThD degree in the Libronix 3 program and it works great for me, I have extra time to learn Logos 4, and I am broke, so it is easy for me to say go with the cheaper teaching programs, but I still do not see them as being of the same value as the Camp Logos 4 videos will be based on having the Libronix 3 Camps 1 and 2.

What ever a person decides they should check out Marks free videos, they have a huge value for free!

A question for those saying to go with John's videos, have you used any of Morris Proctor's Camp Logos videos? What did you think of them???

In Christ,

Jim VanSchoonhoven

Pastor Michael Huffman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236436#Comment_236436

I agree that John's materials are very good, but I also have done work with Morris Proctors videos and they taught me more in less time. A person must decided how far they want to go with the program and how long they want to take to get there.

For myself working it was worth far more to spend the extra money for the dvd's from Morris. However, the times have changed and I simply can not spend that kind of money on the product, but I know if I had the money I would spend it on Logos 4 because I would learn things quicker and know the program better. The time saved would mean a lot to me, so I could study more.

I am at the place where I am working on my ThD degree in the Libronix 3 program and it works great for me, I have extra time to learn Logos 4, and I am broke, so it is easy for me to say go with the cheaper teaching programs, but I still do not see them as being of the same value as the Camp Logos 4 videos will be based on having the Libronix 3 Camps 1 and 2.

What ever a person decides they should check out Marks free videos, they have a huge value for free!

A question for those saying to go with John's videos, have you used any of Morris Proctor's Camp Logos videos? What did you think of them???

In Christ,

Jim VanSchoonhoven

John has the advantage...He worked for Logos, he was on the ground floor of programming with Logos 3. He did all the online videos. It seems to be a difference of "why we are in it" between Morris and John, and I appreciate John for that.

Otto S. Carroll

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236266#Comment_236266

I'm a Camp Alum (been to several)...where do I go to get the Alum pricing?

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236436#Comment_236436

A question for those saying to go with John's videos, have you used any of Morris Proctor's Camp Logos videos? What did you think of them???

I have been thinking about this and would also would enjoy hearing opinions. It's not a matter of deciding between Morris' and John's stuff since I can't afford and won't be buying Morris's either way, but I would enjoy hearing comments in either direction to know how they compare and strengths and weaknesses of each.

Thank you,

Rob

nicky crane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236266#Comment_236266

if you are a camp alumn, you can get them for 150.

HOW? Tell me quick, because I'd ordered them at $200!

Morris Proctor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236421#Comment_236421

Thanks for the discussion and feedback regarding Logos training. Perhaps a little context for the Camp Logos Live DVD training, which is a joint venture between Logos and MP Seminars, would be helpful for this discussion.

As you perhaps know Camp Logos is a live, two - day, hands-on Logos training seminar presented in cities around the world. Because of schedule, location, etc. some Logos users who wish to attend simply can’t. We receive requests from some of those users to provide an alternative for Camp. In addition, many Camp alumni ask for a Camp refresher because it is hard to retain all that is covered at the seminar.

Even though there is no substitute for a live event, we decided video training was the best alternative for Camp. We knew that for video training to be a viable alternative to a live Camp it would have to be professionally produced. We, therefore, secured the services of the following professionals:

Videographer
Audio technician
Lighting technician
Video editor
Graphic artist
Software developer
Video graphic technician
Replicator

In addition, there were the costs for the studio, cameras, lights, etc.

We also decided to record two different Camps: one for PC and the other for Mac so that we could develop a unique product for each format. We did not want Mac users watching a PC screen, hearing PC instructions, or learning PC shortcuts only to have to translate them to Mac. So multiply all of the above services by two. These professionals of course had to be paid before even one DVD was sold.

Are there other teachers of Logos and training options for Logos? Absolutely. Mark and John are but two of the many gifted individuals who know Logos inside and out. The online videos, blogs, and forums provide excellent opportunities for us to expand our use of Logos. In addition mp|seminars provides free instruction such as a weekly blog, monthly newsletters, and a training disk for every base collection of Logos Bible Software to help us use Logos more effectively.

The Camp Logos Live DVD’s were designed to meet a different need. Some Logos users want a high end, professionally produced training alternative. These DVD’s perhaps will not be for everyone nor are they designed to replace all of the other training options. They are just one more choice in an ever expanding sea of Logos training possibilities.

I hope that if you see the online preview or watch the actual DVD’s that you will appreciate the variety and multitude of gifts that went into the project. I am very grateful for the talented team that God assembled to craft the video training. I had the easy part of just standing and teaching Logos Bible Software. After I left the seminar, they went to work. They added the talking points, the highlighted screen captures, the interactive menu, and the video installer. They edited the audio so you wouldn’t have to listen to my coughs over and over. They assembled the videos so you can jump to just the right one without watching two days of training to learn how to execute a right mouse phrase search.

While Logos and I encourage you to attend Camp if at all possible, we believe this video project is the next best thing to being there. If this meets a need and you secure the DVD’s, I think you will see that the gifted, behind the scenes team that God brought together, makes learning Logos both easy and enjoyable.

Also, whether you get the DVDs or not, please continue to take advantage of all the online training that numerous Logos users provide for us all.

Blessings,

Morris

Is Mebin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236478#Comment_236478

Does anyone know if Camp Logos has ever been to Australia, or if there are plans in the future?

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236446#Comment_236446

I have been thinking about this and would also would enjoy hearing opinions.

I have Camp Logos I & II videos for L3 and find them well worth the $400 they cost, and more. I purchased one of John's videos and gave it away. I found his approach to be overly simplistic. Others, have a different belief concerning them. You will need to decide for yourself.

Otto S. Carroll

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236498#Comment_236498

Well worth the price, in my opinion.

David Emme

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236247#Comment_236247

honesty and a limited pocketbook compel me to agree with you

Perhaps here or else where-hopefully they would allow to put that on the payment program. Had a friend come over and one of his questions was will buying books ever end for me? Told him no. He queried how could I afford books. Asked him if he had a dollar and shared how this could buy four to ten books in a thrift shop. You do not always have the same options this way but have been able to find some very good books.

Ron Barry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236498#Comment_236498

Morris, is there going to be a discount for people who have attended Camp Logos?

William

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236505#Comment_236505

I don't think I saw the official response anywhere......but.....

alumni of MP Seminars can get the 150 dollar price by calling MP Seminars directly and getting it that way.

Dan Pritchett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236478#Comment_236478

As you perhaps know Camp Logos is a live, two - day, hands-on Logos training seminar presented in cities around the world. Because of schedule, location, etc. some Logos users who wish to attend simply can’t. We receive requests from some of those users to provide an alternative for Camp. In addition, many Camp alumni ask for a Camp refresher because it is hard to retain all that is covered at the seminar.

I have been to Camp Logos in person several times over the years, and I have Morris Proctor's private cell phone number on my speed dial, but that doesn't replace the type of instantly available, learn at your own pace, "can you repeat that last bit for me" (100 times), training that the Camp Logos Live DVDs provide.

Even with all the DVDs' benefits of being able to "take Morris home" there are plenty of additional factors that make this a bargain. The average Camp event has people travelling from several hundred miles away, mostly driving, but often flying in. Since Camp Logos is a two day event, many people actually stay in a hotel overnight, and those that don't have double the gas mileage, wear and tear on their car, hours of travel downtime to get home that night and back the next day. I can't speak for everyone else, but personally, I really enjoy three meals a day, and they aren't always cheap on the road. Once you add the costs of travel arrangements, time off work, time spent in travel, meals, lodging... it can quickly look like a bargain.

David Emme

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236478#Comment_236478

The Camp Logos Live DVD’s were designed to meet a different need. Some Logos users want a high end, professionally produced training alternative. These DVD’s perhaps will not be for everyone nor are they designed to replace all of the other training options. They are just one more choice in an ever expanding sea of Logos training possibilities.

I hope I did not get you too upset starting this thread as often in a critique-many would seeit slapping your kids around. As wrong as that would be, when you make something and others want to buy it, well I know that a lot of time, effort, and energy to makes something like this and becomes one's pride and joy(not the negative pride of the bible).

I have bought and used books and other training materials and always learned a lot. Any chance for others to be able to do the monthly payment program through Logos.

Thanks for yo9ur response and God bless

David Emme

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236510#Comment_236510

I have no problems with the price being set at $200 - it seems fair.l On the other hand, it is too high for me. I just canceled my order - with three $200+ items being released this month, something had to go. Actually two somethings - both DVD training sets. I still have a $200+ set coming this month and the ECC at $400 on order - plus lots of smaller items that have not been scheduled yet.

I am sorry to see them go, but it was I needed to do.,

Josh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236510#Comment_236510

and I have Morris Proctor's private cell phone number on my speed dial,

Now that's something I'll pay 200 dollars for.

Bob Schlessman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236563#Comment_236563

The Morris Proctor training may be well worth the price. There is no equal to his Camp LOGOS seminars. However, what amazes me is the number of forum members who seem to have a limitless budget for resources and offerings from LOGOS. There are posts from the same members over and over as to how they have purchased one resource or another. The dollar amounts total into the thousands of dollars (more in some cases). I find it all interesting and maybe even a little troubling.

I see the same kind of trend in the tech community where computer hardware and software are concerned. And at the high school where I substitute teach many kids have no concept of financial discipline or restraint where spending is concerned. See it. Want it. Buy it. Even if a current item (or resource) works well and serves the purpose. I find myself questioning the examples we baby boomers and generation X'ers have shown the upcoming generations.

I realize I have drifted away from the original thread topic but I'm just saying.

Blessings,

Bob

Dan Pritchett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236563#Comment_236563

and I have Morris Proctor's private cell phone number on my speed dial,

Now that's something I'll pay 200 dollars for.

Maybe I should start an auction for that?

[A]

Otto S. Carroll

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236507#Comment_236507

I don't think I saw the official response anywhere......but.....

alumni of MP Seminars can get the 150 dollar price by calling MP Seminars directly and getting it that way.

Discount for seminar alumni would be great (think I've attend 3 seminars, including a national Camp Logos). Even without the discount, $200 is a great value for having MP training on video that I have access to at all times!!!

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236615#Comment_236615

and I have Morris Proctor's private cell phone number on my speed dial,

Now that's something I'll pay 200 dollars for.

Maybe I should start an auction for that?

I'd bid on it. Then I could ask what happened to my chum photo with Morris at the April 2010 Camp Logos in OKC. Morris was gracious enough to pose and Art was kind enough to take the shot. Maybe there wasn't any film in the digital camera. (or maybe Morris is wise enough not to be seen with me [6] )

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236615#Comment_236615

Maybe I should start an auction for that?

I'll place the first bid, I'll give my cell phone number for his :-)

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236563#Comment_236563

and I have Morris Proctor's private cell phone number on my speed dial,

Now that's something I'll pay 200 dollars for.

Set a high enough price and put it on Community Pricing - you would make more and the price might be less that $200. Still don't know if I would bid, but I might and others would.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236659#Comment_236659

I have a feeling that Mrs. Proctor might have a problem with this.[;)]

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236615#Comment_236615

and I have Morris Proctor's private cell phone number on my speed dial,

Now that's something I'll pay 200 dollars for.

Maybe I should start an auction for that?

How about whoever wins the auction also gets the dvds.

Nicky

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236478#Comment_236478

Even though there is no substitute for a live event, we decided video training was the best alternative for Camp. We knew that for video training to be a viable alternative to a live Camp it would have to be professionally produced. We, therefore, secured the services of the following professionals:

Videographer

Audio technician

Lighting technician

Video editor

Graphic artist

Software developer

Video graphic technician

Replicator

In addition, there were the costs for the studio, cameras, lights, etc.

I hope I don't come across as rude here, because its not my intention, but I just read through this thread and then came across this and the thought came to my mind that you get people spending millions on making movies..ie, lighting, audio, video, graphics, actors, costume, cameras etc etc... but you still only pay around £14 for the DVD... so I thought that was a bit of a poor reason to offer as to why 2 DVDs would cost $200.

At the end of the day people can put their price tag on and we can all take it or leave it... my guess is that most people will leave it since its just too expensive.. you would probably get far more sales and get a larger ROI if the price was more realistic.

Just my 2p worth

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/238565#Comment_238565

I hope I don't come across as rude here, because its not my intention, but I just read through this thread and then came across this and the thought came to my mind that you get people spending millions on making movies..ie, lighting, audio, video, graphics, actors, costume, cameras etc etc... but you still only pay around £14 for the DVD... so I thought that was a bit of a poor reason to offer as to why 2 DVDs would cost $200.

Theatrical movie costs are covered by many sources of income: box offices sales, rental, cable, and home video. They are also bought/rented by millions of people, and even then, many movies lose money. I don't think it's at all fair to compare that to the MP training which will only be purchased by a few thousand (?) people, if that. And MP can't afford to lose money like the corporately-owned movie studios do.

Nicky

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/238571#Comment_238571

Well, in the scale of things Todd, I doubt these DVDs cost millions to make so need such a large ROI

Orpheus Heyward

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236498#Comment_236498

May it be known to those who are interested, That Camp Logos is very much worth the investment. The price you pay to attend will bless your ministry and your biblical studies for years to come. Not only are you receiving great instruction, but you have the unique opportunity to interact with the instructor(Morris) for further explanation regarding the use of the software. In addition, the upcoming video is a tremendous addition to camp in that it provides the opportunity to revisit specific functionality that you may have forgotten by the time to got home from the camp. I have thoroughly enjoyed the services rendered by mpseminars.

Carnell Butler

go to learnlogos.com John fallahee is a great teacher with training cd for on $50.00 which are great. He do webinars on monday nights for for free and if you want to buy the webinar its only $4.99. I bought the learn hebrew and greek cd for $499.00 which are very helpful but for a fraction of the cost you get the same training.

John Fallahee

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236478#Comment_236478

I'll second that Morris!

The approach I have taken is to make training affordable and not sacrifice quality.

Plus, I include the exclusive interactive and non-interactive videos for both learning styles. The interactive format simulates the Logos 4 experience, as if you are using the program! It's cool to use and very effective in speeding up the learning curve.

As a former Logos employee who pioneered their online training, and as a representative for Logos for 3 years training up people like John Piper and Kay Arthur, and running seminars like Morris; I discovered that training is not merely learning a feature, nor simply applying that feature as you study. There is another important component in training and that is Bible study/Sermon Preparation methodology.

In my inexpensive training bundle, I combine all three aspects in concert for the ultimate training experience.As I like to say, don't just take home training, take home the trainer!

Additionally, how many of you have really explored the various books in your library? That's why I include over 130 book overviews so you can know which books to use every step along the way in your Bible Study/Sermon Preparation.

Logos is an amazing program, and know you have training options like never before.

Enjoy!

John Fallahee, LearnLogos.com

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/263097#Comment_263097

In my inexpensive training bundle, I combine all three aspects in concert for the ultimate training experience.As I like to say, don't just take home training, take home the trainer!

Additionally, how many of you have really explored the various books in your library? That's why I include over 130 book overviews so you can know which books to use every step along the way in your Bible Study/Sermon Preparation.

Logos is an amazing program, and know you have training options like never before.

Thanks, John, for offering us more options for learning to use Logos 4! More affordable to users during troubled economic times.

Bob Rockhill

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/263113#Comment_263113

I bought the DVDs because I didn't have the time to go to a Camp Logos and I knew that if I did, I'd probably forget a lot of it when I came home. I figured having instant access to the DVDs whenever I needed them would be better for me. I am so glad I went that route. I learned so much. I wasn't using 90% of the capabilities of Logos before. And, I do need to go back and check how to do this and that all the time. Comes with age. [;)] So, I'm glad I got them. Morris even e-mailed me templates he used in the video so I didn't have to come up with them from scratch. Nice man. Great service. Well worth the money if you can afford it.

Gerald Kapanka

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236478#Comment_236478

Thank you Morris for the "behind the scenes" insight that most of us never consider. I am one of those who have desired to attend a live seminar for many years but time, money and other obligations have prevented that from happening. I have used both Mark's and John's material and find them very helpful. I also order the DVD's and can't wait to begin going through them. It doesn't matter which training resource i use, I come away having a better grasp of the Logos software. I thank God for Logos, MPP, Mark, John and everyone else who have guided me in using this tool to bring glory to God and Grace to His people.

Brother Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/263210#Comment_263210

I bought the Logos 3 DVDs and LOVED them... I truly used Logos because of the DVDs. Fast forward a year or two and Logos 4 is released (Thank you Logos!), and after a couple of months I attended Camp Logos 4 (Thank you Mo!).

I also bought John's training recently... so I may be uniquely qualified to comment on the contrasts of the three.

1. Camp Logos: There is simply no substitute. Do it if you can: The interactive "class room" format, excellent instruction (Mo is an incredible communicator and teacher), the DEALS, and focused time away from other important/urgent distractions is awesome.

2. Camp Logos 3 DVDs: Since I only own the Logos 3 DVDs, my experience is dated... that said, I agree with everyone that the ability to REPEAT a segment until you truly "get it" is awesome. Yes sir, they were expensive, but I used them over an over, and never felt that I overpaid. There is serious value here.

3. LearnLogos.com: John's DVDs are easy to navigate, comprehensive, and very well put together. It took me a little while to get over the austere interface, but the content will quickly make you overlook that. John is a gifted teacher, and the salient point here is that he gets the point across simply, quickly, and efficiently. The price makes this an exceptional value.

--Mark

Claybon Collins Jr

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/263682#Comment_263682

After attending Camp Logos some 3 years ago, I have since purchased the Logos Training Manuals, the Camp Logos Live DVD's and Syllabus and I just purchased the LearnLogos DVD's from John. I know I have spent a couple of dollars but I have found all the training to be top notch. It has increased my understanding of Logos and my study and sermon preparation has greatly improved.

Thanks to Logos and all of you for your input in helping me become better in studying and delivering God's Word!

Kevin Muster

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/263097#Comment_263097

I'll second that Morris!

The approach I have taken is to make training affordable and not sacrifice quality.

Plus, I include the exclusive interactive and non-interactive videos for both learning styles. The interactive format simulates the Logos 4 experience, as if you are using the program! It's cool to use and very effective in speeding up the learning curve.

As a former Logos employee who pioneered their online training, and as a representative for Logos for 3 years training up people like John Piper and Kay Arthur, and running seminars like Morris; I discovered that training is not merely learning a feature, nor simply applying that feature as you study. There is another important component in training and that is Bible study/Sermon Preparation methodology.

In my inexpensive training bundle, I combine all three aspects in concert for the ultimate training experience.As I like to say, don't just take home training, take home the trainer!

Additionally, how many of you have really explored the various books in your library? That's why I include over 130 book overviews so you can know which books to use every step along the way in your Bible Study/Sermon Preparation.

Logos is an amazing program, and know you have training options like never before.

Enjoy!

John Fallahee, LearnLogos.com

Do not hesitate to purchase his training videos. I've been in school for the past decade. As a recent UCLA graduate in Acting and now a Seminary student at TTU, I believe that John is one of the few teachers with the natural ability to get his point across in an effective way, so that you understand not only what you are doing but why you are doing it, which helps you retain what you have learned.

And PLEASE don't underestimate the 130 book reviews. I have been fortunate enough to use Logos in 2 of John's classes at TTU, and not only is the training top notch, the book reviews allowed me to see what Logos was offering that I wanted to add to my library. When he reviews the books, you get to see him navigate the material, so you can see the layout of each resource and the pros and cons of each one. I used these reviews to compile a list of resources to add to the Platinum Package I already had and am completely satisfied with the additions I have made to my library. I knew I was going to spend quite a bit of money on some additions and wanted to take advantage of the installment options. Knowing I would be charged $5 every order, I decided to make one huge order, and I used John's Book reviews to make most of my decisions.

God Bless you and your families,

Kevin

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/263734#Comment_263734

Do not hesitate to purchase his training videos

I love his webinar idea where you can be at home and online listening to John and with the ability to ask questions and get answers. These are free sessions. Because I didn't know about them, I missed out but I am able to purchase the downloads of the webinars very inexpensively. I am working through them and was so blessed by a two hour session where John did a word study in Logos 4 using the LXX. I've had the LXX in my Logos library for years and barely used it. Talk about in depth training! He is giving me what I need now-more focus on the resources and how to use them, not just the features of Logos 4.

And I loved Camp Logos Live by Morris and all of Mark's unofficial tutorials, too!

Pastor Mark Stevenson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/236443#Comment_236443

Mpseminar.com/alumni is the alumni site.

Edwin Bowden

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301879#Comment_301879

Mpseminar.com/alumni is the alumni site.

You forgot the "s" in seminars in the website

www.mpseminars.com/alumni