Problems Linking TDNT to ESV Interlinear/Strongs Numbers
OK, you'll probably be able to tell from the question, but I'm new to Logos 4.
Here's the situation. I want to link my ESV Interlinear with the TDNT. So, I open my ESV, click on the Interlinear button and click on Link Set: A...so far so good. Now in another pane, I open up the TDNT and also link it to A. Now, it seems to me that when I click on a Strongs number in the ESV Interlinear, the corresponding word would open in the TDNT. No soap. It works great with the WSNTDICT, but not with the TDNT.
What am I missing?
Thanks in advance for any help! 
Cliff
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Welcome! And welcome to the forums!Cliff Schroeder said:I'm new to Logos 4.
Cliff Schroeder said:I want to link my ESV Interlinear with the TDNT.
Hmm. It is working for me from both the NASB and the ESV.
Has indexing finished?
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Hi Cliff, welcome to the Logos forums!
Link Sets are for making two resources scroll in parallel, so they only work with things that have the same type of index (e.g., two or more Bibles or commentaries, which are indexed by scripture reference; or two or more Bible dictionaries which are indexed by an alphabetic list of words).
The feature you need for making sure TDNT opens when you click on a Strongs number in the ESV interlinear is Prioritization. You'll want to prioritize TDNT above all other dictionaries, and then it will be the one that opens when you click on a link appropriate to it (e.g., a Strongs number). Read up on Prioritizaiton here: http://wiki.logos.com/Prioritizing (and see the video referenced there).
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Rosie Perera said:
The feature you need for making sure TDNT opens when you click on a Strongs number in the ESV interlinear is Prioritization.
Oy! Where is that smiley for slapping myself on the forehead?
Thanks for the correction Rosie.
EDIT:
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Thomas Black said:
Thanks for the correction Rosie.
It wasn't meant as a correction. I thought I was the first one to answer, but it took me a while to finish my post and you'd gotten yours in before I posted.
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Oh it's not a problem. I just think it's time to quit for the day when I can no longer remember the difference between linking and prioritization. [:D] And I'm so close to my goal for the day too...
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Thanks so much! I'm off to set the Prioritization right now. I'll let ya' know how it goes.
Thanks again!
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Ooops...still doesn't work
I went to the Library Prioritize window which was Initially empty. I added the TDNT (it is the only book in the priority list so I'm guessing it has the top priority). If I click on the Strong's Number in the ESV Interlinear....nothing happens in the TDNT pane.
Any other suggestions from the sages of Logos? I appreciate your patience!
IHS
Cliff
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Hope you won't be offended by my question .... you're in the NT in the ESV, correct? I don't normally use the TDNT as top priority, but I prioritized it just to see if ESV pulled it up ... it did. TDNT has a peculiarity of its own numbering system in addition to Strongs. So, if you're in the NT, and TDNT is prioritized, then I'm out of guesses.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I tried this too, and for some reason it still links to Enhanced Strong's Lexicon for me, not TDNT. I thought I understood prioritization. Tried restarting Logos too, in case that would help. No dice.
But I was able to get it to work using Advanced Prioritization, where you specify precisely what resources you want the TNDT to be linked to. The problem is you'd have to create an Advanced Prioritization for each Bible you normally work with, and that would be a pain. But here's what I did in case you want to try this workaround:
Maybe Thomas, once he's gotten over his embarrassment, can chime back in with more knowledge.
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Hi folks.
Rosie Perera said:I tried this too, and for some reason it still links to Enhanced Strong's Lexicon for me, not TDNT. I thought I understood prioritization. Tried restarting Logos too, in case that would help. No dice.
You all understand prioritization better than I do (really; I'm myopic on the internals of our Greek stuff) but a reminder: TDNT does not have all strongs numbers because TDNT does not treat all Greek words. It has extensive theological discussion on a select set of words the original editors deemed appropriate to examine. So there will be things you won't be able to find in TDNT, by strongs or lemma.
Suggestion: Folks who have successfully looked something up from the strongs in the ESV NT Rev Int, share your verse reference and Strongs number to see if it can be reproduced. Folks who haven't, share the reference and strongs number to see if someone else can. Then we can figure out if it is a prioritization issue, or a TDNT-doesn't-have-that-strongs-number issue.
Hope it helps.
Rick Brannan
Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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Dave had the answer to this, whenever Australia wakes up. I think it's the numbering in TDNT.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Rick is right. TDNT will open when it has a link, but if there is no word in TDNT with the corresponding SN, then ESL will open as the default.Rosie Perera said:I tried this too, and for some reason it still links to Enhanced Strong's Lexicon for me, not TDNT. I thought I understood prioritization. Tried restarting Logos too, in case that would help. No dice.
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Rick Brannan said:
You all understand prioritization better than I do (really; I'm myopic on the internals of our Greek stuff) but a reminder: TDNT does not have all strongs numbers because TDNT does not treat all Greek words. It has extensive theological discussion on a select set of words the original editors deemed appropriate to examine. So there will be things you won't be able to find in TDNT, by strongs or lemma.
Suggestion: Folks who have successfully looked something up from the strongs in the ESV NT Rev Int, share your verse reference and Strongs number to see if it can be reproduced. Folks who haven't, share the reference and strongs number to see if someone else can. Then we can figure out if it is a prioritization issue, or a TDNT-doesn't-have-that-strongs-number issue.
I think that's the answer!
I just checked, and the one that worked for me after I'd done the Advanced Prioritization was Strongs #4198 in Acts 17:14. But if I hover over adjacent Strongs #s in that same verse, I see ESL (Enhanced Strong's Lexicon) is the only one that has them defined. And in fact, this same works even if I change the Advanced Prioritization back to regular prioritization, so that was a red herring (unintentional). Sorry.
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Denise Barnhart said:
Dave had the answer to this, whenever Australia wakes up. I think it's the numbering in TDNT.
I'm awake!
TDNT definitely does not have all Strong's numbers eg it has #1722 but not #2532 in Rev 12:2. ESL has all Strong's numbers.
So Prioritize as:-
TDNT
ESL
The next problem is that TDNT also does not have all Greek words (lemmas) so ESL will be used a lot instead of your preferred lexicon eg. DBL Greek. So let's try this order:-
DBL Greek
TDNT
ESL
We now discover that DBL Greek is preferred for Strong's numbers! So we must use Advanced Prioritization and restrict its type to Greek (lemmas):-
DBL Greek --> restricted to Greek type
TDNT
ESL
You should prioritize at least 5 lexicons but it may affect your preferences for Strong's numbers and/or Greek words eg.
DBL Greek --> restricted to Greek type
Louw-Nida
ANLEX
TDNT
ESL
In this case TDNT is still preferred for Strong's because Louw-Nida and ANLEX do not have Strong's numbers!
Now you can prioritize other resources.
Dave
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Well then, I'm glad this was solved without me. :-)
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Denise Barnhart said:
Hope you won't be offended by my question .... you're in the NT in the ESV, correct? I don't normally use the TDNT as top priority, but I prioritized it just to see if ESV pulled it up ... it did. TDNT has a peculiarity of its own numbering system in addition to Strongs. So, if you're in the NT, and TDNT is prioritized, then I'm out of guesses.
Not offended in the least!
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Thanks for all the amazing help!
Joe Miller said:try this experiment with TDNT set as your highest priority resource
Joe, this works great! However, what I had originally wanted was to click on the Strong's Number in the 'embedded interlinear"....the one that appears below the ESV text. I'm sure I'm not using the correct terminology here, but hopefully you can translate my newby-ese.
However,. if I open the the [Display] drop down in the ESV pane, and select [Inline] and click on the Strong's Number there...it works as advertised. Just like Joe said it would.
So maybe I'll have to create a second pane with the ESV Interlinear Inline and use that. Unless someone else has a wonderful idea?
Thanks again for all the great help!
IHS
Cliff
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Is this what you are talking about?Cliff Schroeder said:Joe, this works great! However, what I had originally wanted was to click on the Strong's Number in the 'embedded interlinear"....the one that appears below the ESV text. I'm sure I'm not using the correct terminology here, but hopefully you can translate my newby-ese.
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Yuppers! But this doesn't work while the other scenario you presented does. Go figure?
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Cliff Schroeder said:
However, what I had originally wanted was to click on the Strong's Number in the 'embedded interlinear"....the one that appears below the ESV text.
Appears Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon can be prioritized ahead of TDNT. Clicked Strong's # to open TDNT. Clicked Louw-Nida # to open Greek-English Lexicon:
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give tech a call, and they can get it working for you 800-87-LOGOS.Cliff Schroeder said:Yuppers! But this doesn't work while the other scenario you presented does. Go figure?
Blessings
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It works! I just...uhmmm...I set the deal and the thingy....and uhmmm....reset the doohicky....then... *sigh* I don't know why, but it's working now! Ahh! The power of prayer!
Thanks for all the speedy and informed responses!
IHS
Cliff
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