New collections explained & Syntax examples
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There has been a major shift in the thinking behind
collections in L4. In L3 they were static, meaning you selected a book and
added it to the collection. You repeated this for every book. When you
purchased a book you would have to go to collections and add it to the
collections you wanted it in. In L4 they are dynamic, meaning you tell Logos
what type of books you want to add to your collection by way of a syntax
string. L4 also gives you the ability to add “exception” books. When you
purchase a book it is then automatically added to the collections where it
meets the criteria of the syntax string. This may sound threatening but its not
as difficult as it may sound.
To help set up collections I suggest we use this thread to post syntax examples. My suggested format is
Collection Name: XYZ
Collection Description: This syntax string will not help you much.
Syntax String: type:blahblahblah Title:Yakaty schmakaty
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Collection Name: all minus Bibles and Commentaries
Collection Description: This one has grown. It is for searching purposes so that when searching for 1 Peter 1:1 I don't get a result from every bible. However there are other things I found I didn't want as well.
Syntax String: rating:>=0 ANDNOT (type:bible,commentary, grammar, harmony, clause, lectionary, manual, apparatus, concordance, reference)
Syntax Explained: Search everything (rating:>=0) except (ANDNOT) certain types (type: blah blah blah)
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Collection Name: Journals
Collection Description: a collection containing all my journals
Syntax String: type:journal OR mytag:journal
Syntax Explained: find all resources with a type of journal (type:journal) and also include (OR) things I tag as journals (mytag:journal). The mytags are necessary because Semeia and Journal of evangelical theology are typed as monographs. to tag them open your library, search for "Semeia", highlight one of the results, press CTRL + A and then tag them all at once in the right column.
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excellent Phillip, glad you posted this, and the explainations
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I forgot to mention if you want one of these collections in your library all you have to do is a cut and paste :-)
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I think it would be valuable also to speak for a second about the "thought behind" the new collections method vs the old one.
In V3...you chose your resources from the left...and drug them to the right.
In v4 you "pare down the list" via "statements about the resources" that you want to appear...
Example:
If you want to have just your English bibles appear in a collection, you can type the following:
type:bible lang:english
that should narrow it down pretty good. There might be a few stragglers there due to the ongoing tagging thing that Logos is doing so you might have to also use the "ANDNOT" modifier...as follows
type:bible lang:english ANDNOT title:septuagint ANDNOT lang:greek
The point would be to limit the resources that appear by their common tags and not dragging them in or out..
And lastly, when you see the list and it's what you desire...then just name the collection and close it...
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Can I not use Languages as a criteria?
I want to create collections which separate my spanish and english resources, but the following won't work.
languages:Spanish
lang:Spanish
Am I missing something?
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Andrew...
When you say "it won't work" what specifically do you mean?
do you mean that your library still looks huge..or that no books are there or what?
Everytime you type in additonal criteria, it should narrow or modify the list of books shown....
can you screen shot and post what you're looking at?
Robert Pavich
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Just an educated guess, but what about lang:Espanol ?
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
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Q) How do I delete a custom colletion I made?
A) Tools>Collections>Open
Right click on name when drop down opens and choose Delete
Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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If I state it in the positive i.e. "Start with resources matching:" I get nothing... If I try the ANDNOT syntax referenced below it does not exclude them.
I add the languages column to my view, and I can see many resources with the language "Spanish"
Thanks for your help,
Andrew
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You have to write just lang:Spanish. I do not have any Spanish resources but I tried it with German and Czech ones. I write lang:czech and it shows it. If you write languages:... or make space after the lang: it will not work.
Bohuslav
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DominicM said:
Right click on name when drop down opens and choose Delete
You can also just hover over the line and you will see the x sign on the left. You can delete the collection with that. It is a feature in Logos you see many times. You see some icons only when you go to the given line. Software wants to be as unnoticed as possible. I like it. Resources are what matters.
Bohuslav
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I have a collection of my best commentaries. Whether from my experience or according to the rating on the Bestcommentaries.com I rated commentaries. Number one in rating for the given Bible book? I give it 5 stars. Then I created a collection with just simple string:
type:"Bible Commentary" AND rating:(>=3)
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
You have to write just lang:Spanish. I do not have any Spanish resources but I tried it with German and Czech ones. I write lang:czech and it shows it. If you write languages:... or make space after the lang: it will not work.
It needed to be lang:Spanish (which I tried), but it worked this time. Not sure what I did differently. Oh well, it works now! It's sooo much easier to keep things separate than it was in L3
Thanks again!
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AndrewHughes said:Bohuslav Wojnar said:
You have to write just lang:Spanish. I do not have any Spanish resources but I tried it with German and Czech ones. I write lang:czech and it shows it. If you write languages:... or make space after the lang: it will not work.
It needed to be lang:Spanish (which I tried), but it worked this time. Not sure what I did differently. Oh well, it works now! It's sooo much easier to keep things separate than it was in L3
Thanks again!
Yes, you are right. It's the beauty of the dynamic collections.
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
It needed to be lang:Spanish (which I tried), but it worked this time. Not sure what I did differently.
I noticed that any mess up in the syntax will stop it from working and usually its a space where it shouldn't be
Robert Pavich
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So here is the behavior I see:
I type in subject:Hebrew. Then I see commentaries which I do not want in this Hebrew Language collection. So I type ANDNOT....before I can tell it what I don't want, it takes my resources down from 44 to 8, including some resources which I wanted in the collection. Why is it filtering items out before I even provide it with the criteria it needs to execute the filter?
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Philip Spitzer said:
Syntax String: rating:>=0 ANDNOT (type:bible,commentary, grammar, harmony, clause, lectionary, manual, apparatus, concordance, reference)
Would NOT (type:bible,commentary, grammar, harmony, clause, lectionary, manual, apparatus, concordance, reference) give the same result?
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Richard Lyall said:Philip Spitzer said:
Syntax String: rating:>=0 ANDNOT (type:bible,commentary, grammar, harmony, clause, lectionary, manual, apparatus, concordance, reference)
Would NOT (type:bible,commentary, grammar, harmony, clause, lectionary, manual, apparatus, concordance, reference) give the same result?
Probably so :-) I was trying ANDNOT rather then just NOT and it wasn't working so I kept the rating in.
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Philip Spitzer said:Richard Lyall said:Philip Spitzer said:
Syntax String: rating:>=0 ANDNOT (type:bible,commentary, grammar, harmony, clause, lectionary, manual, apparatus, concordance, reference)
Would NOT (type:bible,commentary, grammar, harmony, clause, lectionary, manual, apparatus, concordance, reference) give the same result?
Probably so :-) I was trying ANDNOT rather then just NOT and it wasn't working so I kept the rating in.
It works but it gives different results. It shows just 161 resources (in my case) and there are Bibles among them. Is there any explanation for that?
Bohuslav
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Actually, that's the same here. Whats the difference between NOT and ANDNOT?
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Philip Spitzer said:
Whats the difference between NOT and ANDNOT?
"Not" is true if one finds a single occurence is unequal - A Not A, B passes because A is not equal B
"AndNot" is true only if all occurences are unequal - A ANDNOT A, B does not pass because A equals A
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Is there a way to tag more than one book at a time? Or drag more than one book at a time into the "minus these resources" area?
Is there also a way to see all the things applied to a book? I'd like to create more rules, but I can't exclude the Meltho Fonts User Guide or Old Testament Wisdom: an Introduction unless I know what categories exist and what a particular book has.
Is there a list of all the categories like "kind" , "name" etc., as well as a way to see what a particular book is "natively" tagged with?
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Ben said:
Is there also a way to see all the things applied to a book? I'd like to create more rules, but I can't exclude the Meltho Fonts User Guide or Old Testament Wisdom: an Introduction unless I know what categories exist and what a particular book has.
Is there a list of all the categories like "kind" , "name" etc., as well as a way to see what a particular book is "natively" tagged with?
It is possible to tag more than one book at a time, but I haven't done so. I will leave that to others to describe.
In My Library I was looking for Colliins since someone was asking if the Thesaurus was out yet on another thread. With My Library open, I Right Clicked on top of "Ranks" and got the following menu.
I can check any of those lines and that information would be displayed in My Library; Even if I do not check any of those lines, they are all available for search, so I can put publisher:Zondervan and get a list of their books, for example. (I found I had a few more than I expected) All these categories can be used in either the Library display window like I have it hear, or in collection rules.
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
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Try the "Tag" video hereBen said:Is there a way to tag more than one book at a time?
When you want to select more than one resource, use Ctl-click or Shift-click, then the information pane changes to allow you to Tag or Rate multiple resources at the same time.
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Tried it and it doesn't yield the same results at all. Your version gives the correct results - mine does not filter out all the commentaries so I don't know what's going on with that.
You might want to try my version and see what I mean.
Any of the Logos search wizards help us out on this one?
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Richard, I'm pretty sure that the NOT operator does not work. If I type "NOT type:bible", I only get Bible
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Damian McGrath said:
Richard, I'm pretty sure that the NOT operator does not work. If I type "NOT type:bible", I only get Bible
Has anybody come up with a good string for Theologies? I'm having a tough time with this one.
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Phil,
Thanks for listing the categories. This was helpful
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Josh Wilson said:
Phil,
Thanks for listing the categories. This was helpful
If your referring to the list of types you can get them somewhat easily in your library. open the library, click view so that you see the view as a table, and then click the "type" column header. this will sort all your library by type.
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Philip Spitzer said:
\Has anybody come up with a good string for Theologies? I'm having a tough time with this one.
A bit much, but the collection described in the video is not bad subject:Theology ANDNOT Title:"Evangelical Review"
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
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L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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I seem to get a better result withthe following. "Doctrine" under + these resources is title:doctrine. For some reason when I try using title:theology,dogmatics,doctrine I get weird returns like a MacArthur commentary. But when I use title:doctrine I get a well filtered 21 resources, so I just created a separate collection and add it it in.
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Philip Spitzer said:
I seem to get a better result withthe following. "Doctrine" under + these resources is title:doctrine. For some reason when I try using title:theology,dogmatics,doctrine I get weird returns like a MacArthur commentary. But when I use title:doctrine I get a well filtered 21 resources, so I just created a separate collection and add it it in.
Philip
I just tried the following -- title:theology subject:theology ANDNOT dictionary -- not pretty but seemed to draw out what I have
Just a thought
Jason
How to ask for help for Logos issues.
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Philip Spitzer said:
I seem to get a better result withthe following.
I was able to get the same results with [title:doctrine, title:theology,dogmatics ANDNOT type:journal] so that I could delete the dotrine collection. For some reason this worked but [title:theology,dogmatics,doctrine] didn't.
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
I have a collection of my best commentaries. Whether from my experience or according to the rating on the Bestcommentaries.com I rated commentaries. Number one in rating for the given Bible book? I give it 5 stars. Then I created a collection with just simple string:
type:"Bible Commentary" AND rating:(>=3)
Bohuslav, please help me understand why you have a collection of "Best Commentaries?" It doesn't affect the passage guide, does it (isn't that prioritization?) Are they "best commentaries" in a given book, etc? Why create this? Just wondering. My head is swimming and I need to figure out where to start . . . and why!
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Philip Spitzer said:
Collection Name: all minus Bibles and Commentaries
Collection Description: This one has grown. It is for searching purposes so that when searching for 1 Peter 1:1 I don't get a result from every bible. However there are other things I found I didn't want as well.
Syntax String: rating:>=0 ANDNOT (type:bible,commentary, grammar, harmony, clause, lectionary, manual, apparatus, concordance, reference)
Syntax Explained: Search everything (rating:>=0) except (ANDNOT) certain types (type: blah blah blah)
Honestly, I don't have a clue what this means: "all minus Bibles" or why it "has grown" or more importantly what purpose it serves in searches. My brain is full and this isn't helping. [:P]
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Robert Pavich said:
In v4 you "pare down the list" via "statements about the resources" that you want to appear...
Question: if you use the "plus" and "minus" (is it "add this resource" etc?), that does not make for a dynamic collection--at least for resources like that, right? Ie, If I added (this is a horrible example) a college press commentary to a "type:theology" collection, as I add other college press NIV's they won't appear, correct. I suppose that feature (add/minus) is only helpful when you think of a book to add to teh collection but can't think of the [what are they called as a group--type: lang: title: etc]? Get my drift? in short, what is the advantage of plus and minus and what is the disadvantage?
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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It would be nice if L4 would have several already syntaxed strings we could install like playlists. I really don't have alot of time to learn this special language.
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MJ. Smith said:
"Not" is true if one finds a single occurence is unequal - A Not A, B passes because A is not equal B
"AndNot" is true only if all occurences are unequal - A ANDNOT A, B does not pass because A equals A
man, I am on a roll: I don't know what this means, either. I guess I am not a logician--or a mathematician. Can you use actual examples with resources? Sorry.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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The minus is that the created collection is just as stupid as the L3 ones.
While I have seen collection syntax to get around some tagging issues, I have manually removed the bibles that don't fit in my English Bibles collection. I generally think of using the add and subtract resource boxes as being useful when your terms are really close, but you just want to tweak it...
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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KevinJones said:
It would be nice if L4 would have several already syntaxed strings we could install like playlists. I really don't have alot of time to learn this special language.
that's what i'm talkin about. I wondered if they could even have little buttons to select, and when you hover over them they give an explanation as to why you would use them (ANDNOT means . . . type means . . . etc)
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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KevinJones said:
It would be nice if L4 would have several already syntaxed strings we could install like playlists. I really don't have alot of time to learn this special language.
I understand what you mean, but I would encourage you to try out some stuff in "My Library". It really isn't that bad.
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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Daniel DeVilder said:
Bohuslav, please help me understand why you have a collection of "Best Commentaries?" It doesn't affect the passage guide, does it (isn't that prioritization?) Are they "best commentaries" in a given book, etc? Why create this? Just wondering. My head is swimming and I need to figure out where to start . . . and why!
Actually I did it in hope I will be able to limit the list of commentaries in the PG to that collection. I can do that with the collection section, not the commentaries section. I hope we will get that option in the PG soon :-)
So far I just can have a look at my best commentaries, but I can do that in the library by typing: commentary rating:(=>3) In the collection I don't have to write it all the time.
In the library I prioritized whole series so it doesn't show individual top-rated commentaries.
Bohuslav
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hmmm.... what about somebody who has never typed a syntax string in their life.
I wish we would have had some warning on this... Maybe would have saved me throwing away all that money at at camp Logos I & II in the past year.
Am greatly looking forward to spending all the time and money doing this all over again.
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EricRShaughnessy said:
hmmm.... what about somebody who has never typed a syntax string in their life.
I wish we would have had some warning on this... Maybe would have saved me throwing away all that money at at camp Logos I & II in the past year.
Am greatly looking forward to spending all the time and money doing this all over again.
That's somewhat the goal of this thread, to condense syntax/rule strings into one place so people can say "Hey, I want that collection" and then simply cut and paste the string into a collection. If you make a list of collections you want, I'll put together my recommended strings.
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EricRShaughnessy said:
hmmm.... what about somebody who has never typed a syntax string in their life.
Yes, this is exactly what I anticipate the folks I've tried to help use Logos in the past are going to say when it comes to forming collections. "I really don't understand why they've made it so hard." Dynamic, shmamic. Make it simple. Add radio buttons, a drop down menu, something... for the average Joe or Jill.
Even when the tagging gets sorted out, this will still be an issue. Who wants to spend hours figuring this stuff out to form a few collections? Most people will just drag stuff to the "Add this" panel and be done with it. It will never be dynamic for them, when with some additional help in the user interface it could be.
Off the soapbox.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark A. Smith said:
Most people will just drag stuff to the "Add this" panel and be done with it.
And for those people who just refuse to to think in terms of "type:" I think the option to drag and drop multiple resources should be available to them. However they are going to have to learn the syntax for the library so they can filter it down to what they want so they can drag and drop things to the library.
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sorry...so they can drag and drop things to the collection...
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Philip Spitzer said:
Would NOT (type:bible,commentary, grammar, harmony, clause, lectionary, manual, apparatus, concordance, reference) give the same result?
I just tried it and it gave a different result. For some reason the American Standard Version is included if you do this.
Strangely if I use rating:>=0 ANDNOT (type:bible,commentary, grammar, harmony, clause, lectionary, manual, apparatus, concordance, reference) I get New American Standard, but not the American Standard. A number of other books change as well for no apparent reason.
So it appears there are some glitches in the searches on type type tag.
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EricRShaughnessy said:
Maybe would have saved me throwing away all that money at at camp Logos I & II in the past year.
I believe Morris Proctor lets you attend the same seminar again free after you attended once. At least he used to allow this. It sounds like it will be worth going to Camp Logos II again after Morris sorts out the tricks on the new version.
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