Eschatalogical timelines
Does anyone have, or know where to find timelines that pertain to each of the end times perspectives that include scripture references? I'm looking to "map out" so to speak each position and show where certain scriptures fit in and point to. Thanks.
Anthony Uvenio
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Anthony U said:
I'm looking to "map out" so to speak each position and show where certain scriptures fit in and point to.
Don´t you me "to map out" so to speak each postion and show where certain scriptures fit in and point or POINTED to. [:D]
I am still looking to find a chart[:D]
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Anthony U said:
Does anyone have, or know where to find timelines that pertain to each of the end times perspectives that include scripture references? I'm looking to "map out" so to speak each position and show where certain scriptures fit in and point to. Thanks.
The Sign by Robert Van Kampen holds the pre-wrath view. It has time lines of each of the major views for comparisons
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Grudem's Systematic Theology has view for the different views and scriptures are referenced in that chapter
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There are lots of charts for the Dispensationalist view in the Clarence Larkin Collection.
George Eldon Ladd's Theology of the New Testament has a bunch of charts (his own refinement of Cullman's and Vos's views) on p. 66:
The explanatory text after that last chart (which I couldn't fit in the screenshot) says:
"There is a twofold dualism in the New Testament: God’s will is done in heaven; his Kingdom brings it to earth. In the Age to Come, heaven descends to earth and lifts historical existence to a new level of redeemed life (Rev. 21:2–3). This is hinted at, although not elaborated on, in the Gospels. Those who “attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection” (Lk. 20:35–36). Here is a truly inconceivable order of existence. There are no human analogies to describe existence without the physiological and sociological bonds of sex and family. But this is the will of God: to conquer evil and to bring his people finally into the blessed immortality of the eternal life of the Age to Come.
"This diagram also suggests that God’s Kingdom was active in the Old Testament. In such events as the Exodus and the captivity in Babylon, God was acting in his kingly power to deliver or judge his people. However, in some real sense God’s Kingdom came into history in the person and mission of Jesus."0 -
The books by Larkin now on PrePub are loaded with charts.
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Thank you all for the help. I guess I was looking for a timeline with list of scriptures showing where each one lands on the timeline - maybe this doesn't exist yet? Maybe laziness has gotten the best of me, and I better get moving and do it myself.
Thanks again for the help.
Anthony Uvenio
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Anthony U said:
Thank you all for the help. I guess I was looking for a timeline with list of scriptures showing where each one lands on the timeline - maybe this doesn't exist yet? Maybe laziness has gotten the best of me, and I better get moving and do it myself.
Thanks again for the help.
I grew up in a dispensationalist church, but I became rather disenchanted with a view that attempts to plot out when and how the future will transpire. It seems they have forgotte Jesus' admonition.
Acts 1:6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, is this the time when you will restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He replied, “It is not for you to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” 9 When he had said this, as they were watching, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 While he was going and they were gazing up toward heaven, suddenly two men in white robes stood by them. 11 They said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking up toward heaven? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
george
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George-
I understand your concern and I'm not looking to pinpoint the date of His return. I just want to understand the end time perspectives and evaluate which one (or more) seem most biblical. Right now I'm enjoying the book "Back to the Future" by Ralph Bass and "Revelation: Four Views" by Steve Gregg.
I was looking for a visual aid to show each perspective and where each scripture fits it. Thanks for the scripture.
Anthony Uvenio
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Anthony U said:
"Revelation: Four Views" by Steve Gregg.
Anthony, glad you have access to Greggs book. I got it HB a few years ago. It seemed farely balanced.
I grew up in a Phymoth B. Church, so I know the pretrib disp. view point like the back of may hand. Ryrie, etc [:$]
After my college years, I attende a BGC church and attended a BGC seminary. Erickson pre trib non disp.
After a few decades pased, I was introduced to Berhof and his Amil veiw point.
Presently I work with Prebiterians (So I got into the Hodges).
Sproul book, Last Days According to Jesus (logos), is what finally turned me in to a Stanch Post Mill believer.[:D]
Why all of this? Because I feel that Chiltons book Paradise Restored does a much better job of presenting the Biblical Post Mill point of view then Gregg´s book. I was disapointed with some of his handling of the Biblical Post Mill, Partal Pret. Postion.
At times Gregg used souces that really did not present the best defence of the subject. IMHO [8-|]
Here is a link to the Libronix (L3) PBB file developed by MJ Smith of Chiltons Paradise Restored
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Thanks Tom. I thoought Sproul was a partial preterist? Thanks for the insights.
Anthony Uvenio
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Anthony U said:
Thanks Tom. I thoought Sproul was a partial preterist? Thanks for the insights.
Sproul is partial preterist. I must have mis type (thought turned to letters on the keyboard).
His book is a critic of a full preterist postion, he stays in the partial preterist postion (I think) so he can still afirm the creeds postion on Jesus second coming in glory.
He is in synic with Chiltons "Pardise Lost", and Gentry´s "Days of Vengence" in his book. His view is also very similar to Chiltons "The Gran Tribulation".
Say, one more thing.
I have found "The Handwriting on the Wall: A Commentary on the Book of Daniel" by James Jorden very use ful to sort out all of the emphases on Daniel we are constantly exposted to in the popular media and other sources.
Logos Needs to Sell it, I would buy it the minute it was put on prepub. [<:o)]
American Vision sells it, (5 bucks pdf download). Or check on Ebay [:D]
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