can the same note appear in 2 notefiles?

toughski
toughski Member Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I am not asking about simply copying a note and creating separate duplicate notes.  I am wondering if a singular note can appear in, let's say, "My OT Commentary" and "My Genesis Notes," where editing it in either location would update it everywhere (since it is one and only note).  I think I would settle for a link in "My OT Commentary" to a specific note in "My Genesis Notes"

 

Vladimir

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  • steve clark
    steve clark Member Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭

    not that i am aware of...

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  • toughski
    toughski Member Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    LOGOS, why aren't we able to target a specific note when we link to a notefile, just as we are able to target a specific verse or headword in a dictionary?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,539

    LOGOS, why aren't we able to target a specific note when we link to a notefile, just as we are able to target a specific verse or headword in a dictionary?

    I don't believe this feature has been requested before. However, the ability to attach a note to multiple scriptures has been. You may want to add this as a comment to the request for reworking notes in uservoice.

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  • toughski
    toughski Member Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

     

    I don't believe this feature has been requested before.

    Well, is it unreasonable to think that some people have extensive notes on Psalms, Isaiah or Luke, for example? A link to the notefile and not to the individual note would not suffice.

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, is it unreasonable to think that some people have extensive notes on Psalms, Isaiah or Luke, for example? A link to the notefile and not to the individual note would not suffice.

    I think Logos, when designing the Notes feature, figured that the links from within the Bible text where the note is attached when you first insert the note (which do link directly to the note, not just the note file) would give you what you're describing. I guess they didn't realize people would want to create other links to notes to place elsewhere. Are you wanting to put these links within other notes, so that you can have multiple verses pointing to the same note? Or are you thinking of extensive notes that were created using the "Add Note" command in a Notes file? I think Logos anticipated that people would only use the latter for creating unattached notes, but when they wanted direct links to the notes, they would use the Right-Click, Add Note method (which does leave a link directly to the actual note).

    How are you trying to use the links?

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    LOGOS, why aren't we able to target a specific note when we link to a notefile, just as we are able to target a specific verse or headword in a dictionary?

    I don't believe this feature has been requested before. However, the ability to attach a note to multiple scriptures has been. You may want to add this as a comment to the request for reworking notes in uservoice.

    I think I have seen it mentioned before, actually. I doubt I'd be able to find it again.

    There might be a hack to work around the limitation:

    I discovered that if you select the Bible text where a note is attached, and press Ctrl+P (Print/Export), the note is preserved in the text.

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    Then click Copy to clipboard and paste into Word using Keep Source Formatting, you will see the actual link text that represents that specific note.

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    In Logos, you can click on the note marker next to verse 7 and it will jump to the specific note in the note file. So one would think we ought to be able to select that logos4-command text and feed it to Logos somehow as a link (e.g., by pasting it into the Hyperlink box when some text in a note is selected) and have it work like a link, or paste it into the command bar. But so far I haven't been able to get it to work. I'm playing with alternative syntaxes. For example, when you Copy location as URL from within a notes file, you get syntax like this: logos4:Notes;title=My_Bible_Notes. So I was thinking maybe I could modify that somehow with the SelectedNoteId=293 from the end of the logos4-command gobbledygook and get it to work. No luck so far. But maybe my experimentations will give someone else an idea that gets it to work. I'm pretty sure if we got it to work it would be something Logos had not planned on having work, and they'd be surprised, and would not be very warm to fixing bugs in it if we found it didn't always work properly. But that is the nature of hacks. They are "use at your own risk" sorts of things.

  • toughski
    toughski Member Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    specifically, I have 2 separate notefiles with different purposes: one is a general commentary on Scripture, the other noting the differences between a Russian and a specific English translation. Obviously the former notefile is more extensive (from the verse count point of view). I still need a link to that specific verse in both notefiles (as I currently do), but I do not want to simply duplicate a note from the former notefile to the latter (updating all copies later would be an issue). I wish I could right click and make a blank note to a specific verse and simply link the note from another notefile that I produced before. Ideally, though, I would like the first note to be displayed in any of my other notefiles.

    Another implementation of this:

    Let's say I have a notefile on Mark. The first time I deal with word "straightway" in Mk 1:10 I have a 1 page dissertation on that word.  Let's say in 9:15 I want to refer to this information IN MY NOTES, but I don't want to copy and paste (to save space and to edit it easier in the future). I want to say "see my previous note" and link it.  A workaround would be to place a scripture reference and then require an extra click on the note link.

    But what if the notefile is not referencing scripture, but a general book (maybe a systematic theology). How can one reference a singular note?

     

  • Jack Hairston
    Jack Hairston Member Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭

    >>since it is one and only note<<

    In data-speak, this is called a "relational database."

    Relational databases are a wonderful way to store data. But if your current database is one of the other types, you can't add this capability easily, if at all. One of the drawbacks of relational databases is, if you lose the link between files, there is no good way to restore it, so the data is lost forever.

    I do not know which method Logos uses to store data, but I appreciate their architect's effort to make storage bulletproof.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,539

    I do not know which method Logos uses to store data, but I appreciate their architect's effort to make storage bulletproof.

    They use SQLite databases using, I believe, XML documents as "records".

     

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