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  • Jacob Hantla
    Jacob Hantla MVP Posts: 3,874

    PBB for Logos 4 isn't coded yet... so things are still flexible.

    The basic idea is:

    A) No more second-class citizens. PBB will use the same internal file format as books we distribute, so highlighting and other features "just work."

    B) Compiling will probably be done on the server. (Because we're making PBB books first-class citizens, they need to go through the primary metadata and license databases, so we can sync them to your multiple devices, let your read your PBB's on your iPhone, etc.)

    C) Your content defaults to private, just like your notes and other information.

    D) You'll have the option to share your books with "groups" of other people. (And your notes, highlights, etc.) You'll have per-file control of exactly what you share and who you share it with.

    E) We're considering a PBB store, like the App Stores for mobile phones, where you could choose to sell PBB's for which you owned the copyright, with Logos handling the credit card transactions, downloading, etc.

    This is just "the state of the thinking"....

    -- Bob

    This is awesome! I love the store idea. Churches could link to it like to a "podcast" so that people could download sermon manuscripts & notes. It also makes self-publishing in Logos so easy! This should open Logos up for small publishing houses.

    Please consider making the "report typo" feature link back to the submitter.

     

    Also, within the store, I think that ratings would be nice. Ask about three areas:

    1. Content
    2. Formatting
    3. Linking/Tagging

    Jacob Hantla
    Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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  • Jacob Hantla
    Jacob Hantla MVP Posts: 3,874

    It's quite possible that Logos might only allow Public Domain works on the PBB store, to protect their revenue and ensure quality resources are fully tagged and supported.

    I bet this will be a revenue stream for them if non-public domain works are up there and they get a cut of the sales price (like Apple does from apps)

    Jacob Hantla
    Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
    gbcaz.org

  • Lynden O. Williams
    Lynden O. Williams MVP Posts: 9,012

    We're considering a PBB store, like the App Stores for mobile phones, where you could choose to sell PBB's for which you owned the copyright, with Logos handling the credit card transactions, downloading, etc.

    This is just "the state of the thinking"....

    Bob I am very interested in this part of PBB. This way every author can get published, and hopefully retain full copyright of their intellectual content.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,762

    Will Logos make any public domain PBBs available when they could produce their own in-house version for a better profit? For example: Barnes' Notes or the Stone-Campbell works that Calvin Habig did are all public domain titles that have a profitable marketability. I doubt Logos would make just any titles available in PBB format..

    You pointed to this as a unanswered question in another thread. So I'll add my understanding (which may be right or wrong):

    1. Logos has not indicated anywhere that they would censor what the user can make. You can make a PBB of anything you want without regard to whether Logos publishes or plans to publish it.
    2. Logos has not indicated that they will make any PBB's available - the person who created the PBB makes that decision; often they are the only ones who know the copyright status of an item e.g. getting permission of the author to make it available to a class. The creator releases it to a group or everyone; or the creator keeps it provate.
    3. Logos may need to protect themselves from suits arising from the violation of copyright status - I won't guess how they will achieve this but it could be as simple as a signature from the PBB creator acknowledging that the liability is theirs.

    This is my understanding from what Logos has said. Do you know if they've said something else?

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,762

    I would have to spend $990+ to move my PBB collection into Logos 4

    I think two issues ought to be separated here.

    1. the sharing of notes, highlighting, PBB's is a matter of access permissions rather than "new Logos expense" This is not to be confused with
    2. a Logos store which allows PBB creators to charge for their work. While we know this is under consideration we know nothing about how it would work. My guess would be that Logos would charge a processing fee for each transaction, But that is simply my guess.

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  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    the sharing of notes, highlighting, PBB's is a matter of access permissions rather than "new Logos expense"

    The 990 Libronix PBBs hosted on StillTruth & other sites are what I was referring to. They will not presently run under Logos 4. Bob said L4 PBBs would most likely be compiled on Logos servers. That will cost somebody money to do it.

    MJ. Smith said:

    a Logos store which allows PBB creators to charge for their work. While we know this is under consideration we know nothing about how it would work. My guess would be that Logos would charge a processing fee for each transaction,

    Once again, this will cost someone some money.

    I stand by my statement: We will never have PBBs offered for FREE like we had under Libronix 3. And the current Libronix 3 PBBs will not all be converted to Logos 4 format.   But just as you have said:

    MJ. Smith said:

    But that is simply my guess.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,762

    The 990 Libronix PBBs hosted on StillTruth & other sites are what I was referring to.

    Yes, that it what I assumed - but I would expect that they remain the property of their creators who will choose to tag and recompile them or not. None that I released were on Still Truth, but I would not want Logos to automatically convert any of my work. And should they do so, I am confident that it would revert to private.

    Once again, this will cost someone some money.

    If the creator wishes, certainly. We do not know if the PBB creator will have its own price (as in L3) but I would expect any compiling costs to be built into its price.

    Somehow on this issue when I see a glass half-full, you see a glass 3/4 empty[;)] Soon we'll be getting details to know the answer rather than speculating.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    Soon we'll be getting details to know the answer rather than speculating.

    Soon? We can speculate, or just not talk about it for another 12 months. [:#]

    What does the timinglook like for implementing Personal Book Builder for L4.x?

    That's anybody's guess - Q3?

    Dave Hooton was guessing Q3 of 2010.       [:O]   His post was May 8, 2010

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  • MJ. Smith
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    MJ. Smith said:

    Soon we'll be getting details to know the answer rather than speculating.

    Soon? We can speculate, or just not talk about it for another 12 months. Zip it!

    Bob P. has said it is actively underway and will be released in the relatively near future.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • PBB for Logos 4 isn't coded yet... so things are still flexible.

    The basic idea is:

    A) No more second-class citizens. PBB will use the same internal file format as books we distribute, so highlighting and other features "just work."

    B) Compiling will probably be done on the server. (Because we're making PBB books first-class citizens, they need to go through the primary metadata and license databases, so we can sync them to your multiple devices, let your read your PBB's on your iPhone, etc.)

    C) Your content defaults to private, just like your notes and other information.

    D) You'll have the option to share your books with "groups" of other people. (And your notes, highlights, etc.) You'll have per-file control of exactly what you share and who you share it with.

    E) We're considering a PBB store, like the App Stores for mobile phones, where you could choose to sell PBB's for which you owned the copyright, with Logos handling the credit card transactions, downloading, etc.

    This is just "the state of the thinking"....

    -- Bob

    We have PBB on our Pc's and mac's, now what about mobile devices? Would love to compile sermons on a tablet, and preach from them. Maybe even control Proclaim, from Logos on a Tablet.

    Is the store idea still in the works? Not asking for a timeline (although one would be good), and could you share some ideas about the pricing of PBB?

    Waiting with anticipation.

    Mission: To serve God as He desires.

  • JimTowler
    JimTowler Member Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭

    Just putting in my two cents worths on the original theme of this thread:

    It seems that the all-or-nothing sync design of the Logos apps are still an issue, and even getting reading plans to sync to an iPhone can be tricky, and take over a week even if it works.

    Yes, I've seen the many posts that Sync V2 is being worked on ...

    My question in the first post still stands largly unchanged: will we be able to control what and when things sync, or will my 5k of reading plans and related be in some queue behind 100 MB of PBB content and other stuff?

  • JimT said:

    My question in the first post still stands largly unchanged: will we be able to control what and when things sync, or will my 5k of reading plans and related be in some queue behind 100 MB of PBB content and other stuff?

    Intriguing question ? not know if can prioritize sync order for various items (with nuance of ensuring data dependencies are met).  For example, reading plan definition needs to sync before can mark items done.  Likewise suspect reading plan catch up modifications need to propagate before marking modified reading as done.

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Jerry M
    Jerry M Member Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭

    You can judge the speed of syncing by watching your notes duplicate out of control.  image

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  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,523

    Jerry M said:

    watching your notes duplicate out of control

    Kind of like the "trouble with tribbles."

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  • Jerry M
    Jerry M Member Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭

    alabama24 said:

    Kind of like the "trouble with tribbles."

    I remember that episode.  Does that date me?

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