If I upgrade to Platinum, can I transfer my existing Pillar license to someone else?

Todd Phillips
Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

If I upgrade to Platinum, can I transfer my existing standalone license purchases to someone else? (Like Pillar, BECNT, BDAG, etc).

MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

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  • Craig Downey
    Craig Downey Member Posts: 47 ✭✭

    It's my understanding that the upgrade pricing takes into account what you already have a license for. You wouldn't be paying for a second license for the pillar in other words if you upgraded. I could be wrong though.

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭

    It's my understanding that the upgrade pricing takes into account what you already have a license for. You wouldn't be paying for a second license for the pillar in other words if you upgraded. I could be wrong though.

    Possibly, but there's been a lot of talk about license transfer on the forums in the past, and I want to be clear on what I can and can't transfer to someone else.

    MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    actually, this is a good question.  So, are the upgrade sales individualized (as I read your reply Craig--maybe I am wrong)?  Ie, because I have a bought many resources beyond my Gold package (like BECNT, etc) they have calculated that into my upgrade price, or could I offload a few of those extra licenses and help pay for an upgrade to Plat or Port?

     

    Dan

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • BS
    BS Member Posts: 112 ✭✭

    I'm wondering the same thing about BDAG and a couple other small price resources.  I have Scholar's Silver Version 2 and I'm showing a $526 upgrade to Gold 4 and $744 to Platinum 4.  If we had a place where people posted their upgrade costs from different current packages we might be able to determine how the cost of additional unlocks factors in.  This is assuming we won't get a specific answer from Logos about the way they calculate upgrade pricing, which might not be a good assumption to make.

  • J.R. Miller
    J.R. Miller Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭

    i would say no.  Your upgrade price INCLUDES a discount for you having these commentaries.  If you "give" them to someone else, then your price goes up.  

    My Books in Logos & FREE Training

  • Bohuslav Wojnar
    Bohuslav Wojnar Member Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭

    If I upgrade to Platinum, can I transfer my existing standalone license purchases to someone else? (Like Pillar, BECNT, COED, etc).

    Just upgraded to Platinum. Portfolio is too big leap for now. Just started downloading and ready to index tonight [:)]

    Bohuslav

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭

    i would say no.  Your upgrade price INCLUDES a discount for you having these commentaries.  If you "give" them to someone else, then your price goes up.  

    Perhaps, but does that means I can't transfer anything ever again?

    OR are there certain resources/packages that the upgrade price is based on?  And are those are the ones I can't transfer to someone else?

    MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭


    It's my understanding that the upgrade pricing takes into account what you already have a license for. You wouldn't be paying for a second license for the pillar in other words if you upgraded. I could be wrong though.


    Don't get upset when you are not allowed to sell off "duplicates" after you get the upgrade cheaper than others because you already paid for a title.

    Logos is just showing how a world-class company treats it's customer base. You don't pay 2 or 3 times for the same resources. Now if only Zodervan could take a hint.

    Logos 7 Collectors Edition

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    my 50% off upgrade price for Gold (I have v.3 Gold) is $95.  For Platinum it is 250.03.  For Portfolio it is 1550.03

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • BS
    BS Member Posts: 112 ✭✭

    Todd if you ever figure out the difference in upgrade pricing with your Pillar series included vs. with the license transferred to someone else I would love to hear it.

  • J.R. Miller
    J.R. Miller Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭

    i would say no.  Your upgrade price INCLUDES a discount for you having these commentaries.  If you "give" them to someone else, then your price goes up.  

    Perhaps, but does that means I can't transfer anything ever again?

    OR are there certain resources/packages that the upgrade price is based on?  And are those are the ones I can't transfer to someone else?

    It probably depends on the publisher and the package. I think the only way to know is one a case by case basis, call customer support and ask.  But you have to realize that if you get a commentary set as a part of a package, that is a huge savings.  Passing the license off to another user for a single set means the publisher and/or Logos is losing money on that deal.  Logos wont stay in business long doing things that way.

     

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  • J.R. Miller
    J.R. Miller Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭

    my 50% off upgrade

    You are getting a 50% off upgrade?  Mine is only 25%.  What percent is everyone else being offered?

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  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    We can opine all we want. What we need is an official reply from Logos:

    Does our upgrade package pricing take into account non-"boxed set" (e.g., "Home," "Bible Study," "Silver," "Gold") resources we have purchased?

    Are we authorized to sell, or give away resources or sets we have purchased separately that are included in our upgrades?

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Bill Gordon
    Bill Gordon Member Posts: 169 ✭✭

    I have spent thousands of dollars with Logos buying resources during the last four years with the understanding that once I bought a book I would never have to buy it again when Logos upgraded the search engine. Now it looks like I will have to repurchase all of these resources again (at a discount) to use them with Logos 4. I have a standing order in my Pre-pub account of about $800. I am getting ready to cancel all of these orders and make a commitment to never buy another Logos product again!

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭

    I have spent thousands of dollars with Logos buying resources during the last four years with the understanding that once I bought a book I would never have to buy it again when Logos upgraded the search engine. Now it looks like I will have to repurchase all of these resources again (at a discount) to use them with Logos 4. I have a standing order in my Pre-pub account of about $800. I am getting ready to cancel all of these orders and make a commitment to never buy another Logos product again!

    You do not have to buy an upgrade package.  You can just install Logos 4 if you want, and use it with your existing resources:

    http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/LDLS4Installer/Logos4Setup.exe

    Or get the "Minimal Crossgrade", which "includes just the content resources that make Logos 4 shine."

    http://www.logos.com/minimalcrossgrade

     

    MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    Passing the license off to another user for a single set means the publisher and/or Logos is losing money on that deal.  Logos wont stay in business long doing things that way.

     

    Joe, just clarifying: you mean that if have bought a set as a stand alone (like BECNT), that if I sell that off to upgrade to a package (like new Gold or Platinum, etc) which includes that set that I just sold, as well as many other offerings, that I am taking money away from Logos?

    I have wondered about that.  I realize they might in theory "make more" if I held on the BECNT, upgraded, and then whomever I would have sold BECNT to would have to buy it stand alone from them, or spring for a base package.

    I don't want to be entirely mercenary or appear ungrateful.

    On the other hand, if I do sell off, as above:

    1. they do make a small fee on transfer of license.
    2. I only have so many dollars to spend to begin with.  It is not like I can so, "no matter what pre-pub you have, no matter the package, put me down for all of them".  If I can sell off an old standalone license, I will most likely use that for more Logos software.  I purchase what I can.  Selling off some licenses allows me not only to upgrade, but also to afford some of what I am really looking forward to: Anchor/Yale, Zondervan, IVP and Baker sets, etc.  If I can't take advantage of some of those prepubs AS prepubs, then not only will the price effectively double, but I may never purchase them.  Or it will be years down the road. 

    There is also the possibility that I entice someone to Logos by selling them a license for a set, when they normally would not buy from Logos (ie, take the plunge).  My sale to them could get them thinking: hey, this is cool, and purchase more.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭

    We can opine all we want. What we need is an official reply from Logos:

    Yes, that's why I started this thread in the first place, since I had seen the question asked in a couple different threads, and I wanted to be able to point others to an official answer.

    MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

  • Bob Pritchett
    Bob Pritchett Member, Logos Employee Posts: 2,280

    Now it looks like I will have to repurchase all of these resources again

    No -- you never have to repurchase a book. Your existing licenses continue to work. We'll have instructions on downloading just the engine available in the future, or you can go with http://www.logos.com/minimalcrossgrade, which is our recommended minimum to ensure you get at least the new resources that really make Logos 4 shine.

    But even in those upgrade collections we're offering you, you're only paying for the new resources. (And, as someone who worked the pricing spreadsheets, I can assure you you'll rarely see so much good content at such a good price. The Logos 4 collection upgrades are probably the best "books for the dollar" values we have ever offered!)

  • Bill Gordon
    Bill Gordon Member Posts: 169 ✭✭

    I have already purchased every resource in the minimalcrossgrade. Why should I have to purchase them again? I'm canceling my prepubs right now!

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    But even in those upgrade collections we're offering you, you're only paying for the new resources. (And, as someone who worked the pricing spreadsheets, I can assure you you'll rarely see so much good content at such a good price. The Logos 4 collection upgrades are probably the best "books for the dollar" values we have ever offered!)

    That clarifies both questions I asked, I think.

    So:

    1. Our upgrade price takes into account resources in the new boxed set, that we purchased separately.
    2. We may not sell our separately purchased materials, without endagering our current price for an upgrad/crossgrade, or violating the EULA.

    Is that correct?

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • J.R. Miller
    J.R. Miller Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭

    Passing the license off to another user for a single set means the publisher and/or Logos is losing money on that deal.  Logos wont stay in business long doing things that way.

     

    Joe, just clarifying: you mean that if have bought a set as a stand alone (like BECNT), that if I sell that off to upgrade to a package (like new Gold or Platinum, etc) which includes that set that I just sold, as well as many other offerings, that I am taking money away from Logos?

    No, I was only referring to sets that are part of packages.  

    If the set was not part of a package, you should be able to transfer it.  I think the Logos cost is $20/transfer.  However, my GUESS, is that there still may be some restrictions from certain publishers. The only way to know for sure is on a case by case basis to call customer support and ask about s specific license transfer.

     

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  • Chris Elford
    Chris Elford Member Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭

    I have already purchased every resource in the minimalcrossgrade. Why should I have to purchase them again? I'm canceling my prepubs right now!

    William.

    I'm sure there is some kind of problem with the way the website is presenting your upgrade options.

    Bob told another customer to call him directly in a different post. Since he's made it public, I think it fair to say call him:

    Bob said: You can call me directly at 800-875-6467 if that doesn't work and I'll try to help you.

    This whole upgrade/download/index thing will test your patience. I think you need to exercise a lot right now.

    Chris

  • J.R. Miller
    J.R. Miller Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭

    I have already purchased every resource in the minimalcrossgrade. Why should I have to purchase them again? I'm canceling my prepubs right now!

    No, William, you have NOT already purchased them all because there are some resources that are brand new and ONLY work in 4.0 so you do not have them in 3.0.  Your anger is clouding your perception of the matter brother.

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  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭

    I have already purchased every resource in the minimalcrossgrade. Why should I have to purchase them again? I'm canceling my prepubs right now!

    You don't have to (to answer your question).  I posted the link for upgrading the software at no charge (http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/LDLS4Installer/Logos4Setup.exe )

    You seemed determined to be upset.

    MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

  • Richard Lyall
    Richard Lyall Member Posts: 1,018 ✭✭

    I'm still not clear from Bob's reply if the upgrade price is discounted when certain included resources had already been purchased as standalones.

    Is the upgrade price calculated individually for each user, and if so, how is it calculated?

    Thanks
    Richard

  • Bob Pritchett
    Bob Pritchett Member, Logos Employee Posts: 2,280

    I have already purchased every resource in the minimalcrossgrade. Why should I have to purchase them again? I'm canceling my prepubs right now!

    That page needs to be updated to mention the biblical people, places, and things reports, as well as maps and the controlled vocabulary system. You don't have these resources already because they were never available until today.

    If you want to just download the engine for free, you can here:

    http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/LDLS4Installer/Logos4Setup.exe 

    Again, we haven't broken our promise about free readers and not requiring you to repurchase your resources. It's still the same. We're just recommending you do at least the minimal upgrade (which does deliver more than enough value for the price, I believe), and hoping many users will choose to take advantage of great pricing to acquire more resources.

    Because it costs a lot (millions each year) to keep upgrading the engine we provide for free, and we need to sell some books to cover that cost! :-)

    Separate issue: tes, the pricing of upgrades is customized to each user, and takes into account prior purchases. When you buy the upgrade you're not getting a second license to any books, just paying for the books that are new to you.

    -- Bob

     

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    But even in those upgrade collections we're offering you, you're only paying for the new resources. (And, as someone who worked the pricing spreadsheets, I can assure you you'll rarely see so much good content at such a good price. The Logos 4 collection upgrades are probably the best "books for the dollar" values we have ever offered!)

     

    I echo that.  Even though I have certain resources already (like BECNT) and several others on the new package I don't really desire, I still locate 2-3 books (to Gold, to Platinum) that in purchase alone are more than worth the price I pay to upgrade, BESIDES the fact that I get many other books, a brand new version of Logos, etc.  And if you are starting from scratch, you are getting a heck of a deal for them all.  (think about it, I just bought a pre-pub of NICOT/NT, just 8o+ volumes for $1000.  Anyone can buy the current Gold for 1400 (give or take) and that includes MANY commentary sets (complete and partial) dictionaries, bibles, leadership books, etc.  And those are not just fluff or public domain, they are fantastic volumes like Beales NIGCNT on Revelation, BDAG, etc etc etc.

    So, even though I am seeing what I can do within my own dollar limit, I in no way feel like I am being slighted or being hurt, or (certainly not) being deceived by Logos.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Debra W Bouey
    Debra W Bouey Member Posts: 304 ✭✭

    ... Separate issue: tes, the pricing of upgrades is customized to each user, and takes into account prior purchases. When you buy the upgrade you're not getting a second license to any books, just paying for the books that are new to you.

    -- Bob

    I can confirm this based on my own upgrade quote! It is indeed personalized to reflect all the crossover resources I've added! Thank you and Logos very much!

     

    Lenovo P72: Intel 8th Gen i7-8750H 6-core, 32GB RAM, 2TB HDD + 1TB Sata SSD, 17.3" FHD 1920x1080, NVIDIA Quadro P600 4GB, Win 10 Pro

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    No, William, you have NOT already purchased them all because there are some resources that are brand new and ONLY work in 4.0 so you do not have them in 3.0.  Your anger is clouding your perception of the matter brother.

     

    I agree.  The add-ins they create and are exclusive to Logos are pretty valuable.  Regardless of some of the book tools in that set you may want to own.  I am sorry if my own angling for the best deal (ie, what I can sell, what I can't) has added to this perception that Logos has somehow pulled one over on us.  They have a great product and continue to improve every single year.

    Download the FREE 4.0 engine and see if it doesn't show great value to you.  I have yet to do it myself, but have looked at the videos for it.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Bohuslav Wojnar
    Bohuslav Wojnar Member Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭

    I have yet to do it myself, but have looked at the videos for it.

    Time to go for it Daniel [:)] Have fun with the indexing. I just finished indexing after upgrading to Platinum. Great stuff.

    Bohuslav

  • Scott S
    Scott S Member Posts: 423 ✭✭











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    A personalized discount appears at checkout.  For example:

     

    Upgrade Scholar's Library: Gold (ND) to Scholar's
    Library: Platinum (LE) is $500 list, my “personalized upgrade discount” price is
    $425.

     

    I have Gold v3 with some of the costly works included in
    the Platinum set such as: Pillar, BECNT, Hendriksen’s NTC, Ency. of
    Christianity vol 4, and others.  These
    are apparently worth a mere $75 credit toward Platinum.   In my case, it doesn’t appear
    financially sensible to get the Platinum package to get some of the additional Platinum resources.

     

    Since some of my purchases were made by telephone and don’t
    appear in my online order history.  I called Logos to make sure they were
    considered in the calculation of my discount. 
    I was told that the credit was determined by considering “existing
    resource “activations”. 

     

    Also, the upgrade discount is based on what resources
    you have right now.  “No license
    transfers until after the first of the year.” 
  • Bill Gordon
    Bill Gordon Member Posts: 169 ✭✭

    Bob,

    The upgrade price might be good if all I had purchased from Logos was the Scholar's Gold Library. But in addition to the Scholar's Gold, I have made 45 other purchases from Logos for a total of $2631.20. This does not count what I have bought from third party vendors. The upgrade to Logos 4 seems to only be giving me credit for the Scholar’s Gold library and no credit for the other 45 purchases that I have made!

    Bill Gordon

  • Whyndell Grizzard
    Whyndell Grizzard Member Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭

    I think you need to call Logos- I believe you are misunderstanding what is being said, let someone there assure you are not buying your present books again, please call them.

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    Bob,

    The upgrade price might be good if all I had purchased from Logos was the Scholar's Gold Library. But in addition to the Scholar's Gold, I have made 45 other purchases from Logos for a total of $2631.20. This does not count what I have bought from third party vendors. The upgrade to Logos 4 seems to only be giving me credit for the Scholar’s Gold library and no credit for the other 45 purchases that I have made!

    Bill Gordon

    In some cases, some licenses were not transferred properly to a user's Logos account. You may need to contact Logos support to correct this. I'm not sure that the upgrade package includes any 3rd party resources, but you should be getting credit for the Logos resources that are included in the upgrade packages.

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭

    Scott S said:

    I have Gold v3 with some of the costly works included in
    the Platinum set such as: Pillar, BECNT, Hendriksen’s NTC, Ency. of
    Christianity vol 4, and others.  These
    are apparently worth a mere $75 credit toward Platinum.   In my case, it doesn’t appear
    financially sensible to get the Platinum package to get some of the additional Platinum resources.

    I'm with you Scott.  Platinum is a fantastic deal provided you haven't already bought most of the separate resources already. I'd recommend it to anyone who is new to Logos, provided it fit their budget.

    It's still a good deal if I really wanted the all the additional stuff I don't have. (Simeon, Pink, Berkouwer, Bunyan).  But those aren't even on my wishlist.  Somebody tell me why I should want those.  I'd like a reason to upgrade.

    MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

  • Bill Gordon
    Bill Gordon Member Posts: 169 ✭✭

    According to the website The Minimal Crossgrade Includes:

    Resources

    •GOD’S WORD translation (Don’t know what it is and I don’t want it.)

    •ESV English–Greek Reverse Interlinear Bible (Got it already)

    •The Holman Christian Standard Bible (Got it already)

    •Traveling in the Holy Land (Don’t know what it is and I don’t want it.)

    •The Cambridge Paragraph Bible of the Authorized English Version (Got it already)

    •1000 Bible Images (Got it already)

    •5 lectionaries (I’m not sure what this includes but I already have six lectionaries in my current library.)

    Addins

    •Timelines (Got it already)

    •Bible Tools Addin (Got it already)

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    It's still a good deal if I really wanted the all the additional stuff I don't have. (Simeon, Pink, Berkouwer, Bunyan).  But those aren't even on my wishlist.  Somebody tell me why I should want those.  I'd like a reason to upgrade.

    Well, my father-in-law loves Pink (I'm not quite as impressed, but he's a fairly readable spokesman for Reformed theology).

    Berkouwer is an excellent Dutch Reformed theologian. Some very meaty stuff there. Some of his books were required reading in seminary (Calvin Theological Seminary).

    I can't comment on the other two, since I've never read them.

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Chris Elford
    Chris Elford Member Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭

    According to the website The Minimal Crossgrade Includes:

    Resources

    •GOD’S WORD translation (Don’t know what it is and I don’t want it.)

    •ESV English–Greek Reverse Interlinear Bible (Got it already)

    •The Holman Christian Standard Bible (Got it already)

    •Traveling in the Holy Land (Don’t know what it is and I don’t want it.)

    •The Cambridge Paragraph Bible of the Authorized English Version (Got it already)

    •1000 Bible Images (Got it already)

    •5 lectionaries (I’m not sure what this includes but I already have six lectionaries in my current library.)

    Addins

    •Timelines (Got it already)

    •Bible Tools Addin (Got it already)

    Bill,

    As Bob said above, the website is out of date as of today. Give them a call and let them explain it all to you. Then decide what's best for you - free engine, crossgrade or upgrade.

    Chris

  • Bohuslav Wojnar
    Bohuslav Wojnar Member Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭

    It's still a good deal if I really wanted the all the additional stuff I don't have. (Simeon, Pink, Berkouwer, Bunyan).  But those aren't even on my wishlist.  Somebody tell me why I should want those.  I'd like a reason to upgrade.

    I upgraded and I think I got great deal. Although I had Some Pillars commentaries, I am happy I finally got Baker's Expository Com. and Baker's NT. I am happy to have the History of Jewish People (5 vol.) Baker enc. of Psychology and Counseling, and many many other things. I am still looking at the Portfolio thing. May be later. There are many good things there about the Early CHristianity and Judaism. But the price is hilarious. It is about 2000 USD. I know it is the best value. Who can afford it will be blessed.

    Bohuslav

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    I am happy I finally got Baker's Expository Com. and Baker's NT.

    You mean Baker's Exegetical (can't find a "Baker Expository") commentary. Right?

    I agree, there's some great additions in the Platinum. I might wait until tomorrow, and a little more server time in Bellingham.

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  • Alain Maashe
    Alain Maashe Member Posts: 390 ✭✭

    I agree that those of us who already have most of the resources that are provided in the upgrade from Gold (ND) to Platinum (LE) do not get as good of a deal as those who only had gold and spent little in additional resources. The discount we are getting is probably calculated based on the heavily discounted price of each resource in the collection  

    i..e if a given resources is discounted at 90% in a collection, by having it already you are not getting the original 100% you paid but only the 10% that corresponds to its value in the new collection, with that Logos breaks even either way.

    Aside of the missing volumes for a few commentary series (NAC; NIGTC); I am getting only few resources I am really excited about but at the end of the day and thanks to my substantial academic discount, I am breaking even when it comes to the resources I want (i.e. that I would purchase if they were not included in the collection)

    I just wish I did not spend around $250 on PNTC just a few months ago

    I am however excited by the new engine and features

    Alain

  • Icarus38376
    Icarus38376 Member Posts: 337 ✭✭

    I'm still not sure I heard the certified answer from Logos.  Once agan the basic question.  If I bought the Simeon commentary seperate as an update to Gold, can I now (or after january) sell that resouce individually?

     

  • Wayne
    Wayne Member Posts: 175 ✭✭

    I'm still not sure I heard the certified answer from Logos.  Once agan the basic question.  If I bought the Simeon commentary seperate as an update to Gold, can I now (or after january) sell that resouce individually?

     

    Bob (president of Logos) stated the following earlier in this thread;   

    [But even in those upgrade collections we're offering you, you're
    only paying for the new resources. (And, as someone who worked the
    pricing spreadsheets, I can assure you you'll rarely see so much good
    content at such a good price. The Logos 4 collection upgrades are
    probably the best "books for the dollar" values we have ever offered!)]

     

    The price for the upgrade varies for each person, depending on what resources that you already own. You are only buying new resources and any resources that you already own are discounted. If you read other threads, you will see that one pays $70 for platinum and another pays several hundred dollars. It all depends on what that person already owns. So the price that Logos is offering for you to update to Gold does not include the Simeon commentary as it was discounted in their calculations in the "pricing worksheets". So if you sell it, then you will sell your only license to the Simeon commentary.

     

     

  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭


    I'm still not sure I heard the certified answer from Logos.  Once agan the basic question.  If I bought the Simeon commentary seperate as an update to Gold, can I now (or after january) sell that resouce individually?

     


    Customer Service told me, "Yes you can, but after January." I did not ask what the significance of January is but this presents two problems for me. (-The delay, that is.)

    I have been organizing duplicate software (some Logos, some not) for sale on eBay. Now I will have to store all the Logos stuff till 2010!  (When I say duplicate, I mean I had two BEFORE I bought the upgrade. i.e. Courson's NT Commentary -vs- Courson's whole Bible commentary.)

    Also, I just agreed to buy an expensive Logos resource from another user but waiting three months for the license transfer should not be neccessary. Especially when that ($800 retail price) software won't even run under Logos 4!

     

    Logos 7 Collectors Edition

  • BS
    BS Member Posts: 112 ✭✭

    I posted a new thread in the Logos 4 forum in order to not hijack this thread from its original topic.

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    If you paid $120 for BDAG you don't get $120 credited to your upgrade price, you get some small percentage of your original purchase price credited, maybe something like 10% (think total upgrade price divided by MSRP for all new resources in the package)

    I don't know where you,or Alain come up with this number. Sounds like the old adage about 74% of all statistics being made up on the spot.

    I do know that the price I paid to upgrade from Gold to Platinum was less than the value of the new resources I wanted that in the upgrade package. Adding up the value of all I got, it's a tremendous bargain. How did they calculate my discount? I have no idea. Does my discounted price give me a good deal? Definitely. What else do I need to know?

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭

    I do know that the price I paid to upgrade from Gold to Platinum was less than the value of the new resources I wanted that in the upgrade package. Adding up the value of all I got, it's a tremendous bargain. How did they calculate my discount? I have no idea. Does my discounted price give me a good deal? Definitely. What else do I need to know?

    I agree Richard. The deal I got is incredibly generous. I don't have a problem not being allowed to sell some of those I already owned, if they were indeed used to calculate that price. When I started my cost analysis of the upgrade values, I only considered those titles I did not own and that I definitely wanted. I quit my analysis when the savings on those desired titles had been surpassed several times over. While the discount of the whole package approaches 90%, the value of those titles on my short list is close to a 66% discount. It was a "no brainer" for me. I quit the calculations and placed my order.

    I would appreciate knowing what titles I am allowed to sell. Many titles I own are not part of any of the packages. If I find them becoming less useful or replaced by something I like better, may I sell them?

    Logos 7 Collectors Edition

  • Wayne
    Wayne Member Posts: 175 ✭✭

    I just wish I did not spend around $250 on PNTC just a few months ago

    I am however excited by the new engine and features

    The only way that Logos is able to offer 10,000 + volumes is due to the success of the pre-pub program. 15-20% of those titles make it to be part of one of the base products, Christmas promotion, etc. If everyone waits for the big sales, there would not be 10,000 volumes nor would Logos be able to remain in business. I have bought early as well on a few items over the years. I look at the big picture and see that I have a very decent library at a decent price.

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    I would appreciate knowing what titles I am allowed to sell. Many titles I own are not part of any of the packages. If I find them becoming less useful or eplaced y something I like better, may I sell them?

    I can't answer that. Logos can't answer that without specifics, but I'm quite sure they don't want to do that on this forum. Why don't you email someone at Logos support and find out what your options are. They do charge a flat fee for transfer of the license, which is only fair.

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  • Bill Gordon
    Bill Gordon Member Posts: 169 ✭✭

    No -- you never have to repurchase a book. Your existing licenses continue to work. We'll have instructions on downloading just the engine available in the future, or you can go with http://www.logos.com/minimalcrossgrade, which is our recommended minimum to ensure you get at least the new resources that really make Logos 4 shine.

    Thanks for explaining it to me. The email I got announcing Logos 4 stated that it was not an upgrade but a new product. That statement troubled me a lot. When other companies have made that statement they wanted me to pay for the new product. After your explanation I decide to upgrade to the Portfolio Edition.