Metzger's Commentary

Pastor Michael Huffman
Pastor Michael Huffman Member Posts: 634 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

Does anyone know where I can obtain, or does Metzger include it, a list of the abbreviations that are used my Metzger in his commentary with the dates.For example:

 

A majority of the Committee preferred the future tense τηρήσετε, read by B L Ψ 1010 1071 1195* 2148 al (and perhaps supported indirectly by witnesses that read the aorist subjunctive τηρήσητε, P66 א 060 33 al), instead of the imperative τηρήσατε, which, though rather well supported (A D K W X Δ Θ Π f 1 f 13 28 565 700 892 Byz), accords less well with ἐρωτήσω in the following verse.

 

In the above cited text from Metzger on John 14:15, all the text abbreviations (i.e., B L 101 1071, etc.) is there a list of what are the names of those texts with dates. The hover over information is not a whole lot of help unless I am missing something. Thanks and I hope that I explained well enough.

 

Michael

Pastor Michael Huffman, Th.A Th.B Th.M

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  • Kevin Becker
    Kevin Becker Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭

    From the Abbreviations section of Metzger's Commentary

    "For the abbreviations of the titles of the books of the Bible, and the sigla of manuscripts and early versions of the New Testament, see the Introduction in The Greek New Testament (fourth revised edition), supplemented by the sigla of witnesses listed in the Appendix at the close of the present volume. For further information concerning individual Greek manuscripts cited in the apparatus, see Caspar René Gregory, Textkritik des Neuen Testamentes, 3 vols. (Leipzig, 1900–09); Kurt Aland, Kurzgefasste Liste der griechischen Handschriften des Neuen Testaments: I. Gesamtübersicht (Berlin, 1963); and Kurt Aland and Barbara Aland, The Text of the New Testament; An Introduction to the Critical Editions and to the Theory and Practice of Modern Textual Criticism, translated by Erroil F. Rhodes, 2nd ed., revised and enlarged (Grand Rapids—Leiden, 1989)."

    Unfortunately the USB4 that comes with Logos (or did in previous versions) doesn't have the front matter. One needs a print copy or the SESB for that.

  • Kevin Becker
    Kevin Becker Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭

    Also, I know the NA27 comes with an insert with the dates for the major manuscripts you might be able to pick up just that somewhere (Ebay?)

    EDIT: This looks promising http://www.viceregency.com/TextCritCharts.pdf

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hover over the B in that example, and you get this:

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    This means:

    manuscript number: B 03

    century (saeculum in Latin): IV (4th century)

    library: City of the Vatican Library

    contents: (hover over e, a, and p, and it will tell you what this manuscript contains: Gospels, Acts & Catholic Letters, Pauline Letters): missing: 1 Tim - Philemon, Hebrews 9:14-end (not sure if this means Heb 9:14-28, the end of the chapter; or Heb 9:14-13:25, the end of the book).

    You can see an entire list of all of these notes about the manuscripts here:

    http://legacy.earlham.edu/~seidti/iam/table_gkmss.html

    Lots more info on each of the manuscripts is available here:

    http://www.skypoint.com/members/waltzmn/ManuscriptsUncials.html

    Here's some more interesting stuff:

    http://www.viceregency.com/TextCritCharts.pdf

    http://www.viceregency.com/TextCrit.htm

  • Pastor Michael Huffman
    Pastor Michael Huffman Member Posts: 634 ✭✭

    Pastor Michael Huffman, Th.A Th.B Th.M

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unfortunately the USB4 that comes with Logos (or did in previous versions) doesn't have the front matter.

    I thought I remembered that someone had found a PDF edition of this (I think it was on a website in Europe somewhere). Or maybe I'm thinking of the BHS end matter.

  • George Somsel
    George Somsel Member Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭


    Does anyone know where I can obtain, or does Metzger include it, a list of the abbreviations that are used my Metzger in his commentary with the dates.For example:

     

    A majority of the Committee preferred the future tense τηρήσετε, read by B L Ψ 1010 1071 1195* 2148 al (and perhaps supported indirectly by witnesses that read the aorist subjunctive τηρήσητε, P66 א 060 33 al), instead of the imperative τηρήσατε, which, though rather well supported (A D K W X Δ Θ Π f 1 f 13 28 565 700 892 Byz), accords less well with ἐρωτήσω in the following verse.

     

    In the above cited text from Metzger on John 14:15, all the text abbreviations (i.e., B L 101 1071, etc.) is there a list of what are the names of those texts with dates. The hover over information is not a whole lot of help unless I am missing something. Thanks and I hope that I explained well enough.

     

    Michael


    In addition to the resources already mentioned by others, you can check in

    Tischendorf, Constantin von, Caspar Rene Gregory and Ezra Abbot. Novum Testamentum Graece: Prolegomena, Libronix, 1894; 2003.

    I.e., if you read Latin.  There are two sections particularly which would be of interest to you:  "De Codicibus Uncialibus" and "De Codicibus Minusculis et De Lectionariis."

    george
    gfsomsel

    יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

  • Sakarias Ingolfsson
    Sakarias Ingolfsson Member Posts: 185 ✭✭








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    I think a lot of those are well worth memorizing and reading up on. Just knowing the word for which the abbreviation stands will not do you much good. A few years ago I purchased and read "A students guide to Textual Criticism of the Bible".  Its a great introduction to the subject and makes it all the more meaningful to read writings like Metzger's commentary. The introduction in Metzgers commentary will also provide you with some minor basics, and explain the most common abbreviations like א A B C D P66 P75

  • Robert Pavich
    Robert Pavich Member Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭

     

    I think a lot of those are well worth memorizing and reading up on. Just knowing the word for which the abbreviation stands will not do you much good. A few years ago I purchased and read "A students guide to Textual Criticism of the Bible".  Its a great introduction to the subject and makes it all the more meaningful to read writings like Metzger's commentary. The introduction in Metzgers commentary will also provide you with some minor basics, and explain the most common abbreviations like א A B C D P66 P75

     

     

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  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick MVP Posts: 16,330

    I think a lot of those are well worth memorizing and reading up on. Just knowing the word for which the abbreviation stands will not do you much good. A few years ago I purchased and read "A students guide to Textual Criticism of the Bible".  Its a great introduction to the subject and makes it all the more meaningful to read writings like Metzger's commentary. The introduction in Metzgers commentary will also provide you with some minor basics, and explain the most common abbreviations like א A B C D P66 P75

    I second this! this is a very good resource and not very expensive...

    This looks like a very valuable resource that I'd like to look at soon. As I'm even more on the beginner's side of textual criticism, David Allan Black's http://www.logos.com/product/7489/new-testament-textual-criticism-a-concise-guide  helped me to get an initial grasp on this whole topic.

    Mick

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  • Milford Charles Murray
    Milford Charles Murray Member Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭


     

    I think a lot of those are well worth memorizing and reading up on. Just knowing the word for which the abbreviation stands will not do you much good. A few years ago I purchased and read "A students guide to Textual Criticism of the Bible".  Its a great introduction to the subject and makes it all the more meaningful to read writings like Metzger's commentary. The introduction in Metzgers commentary will also provide you with some minor basics, and explain the most common abbreviations like א A B C D P66 P75

     


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