Apple policy forces iFlow ebook app to shut down

If Apple goes through with this, there will be a lot of used iPads on eBay on July 1st!

Remote desktop connection apps on iPad may become quite useful.

Reading https://www.iflowreader.com/Closing.aspx was informative about publisher agency model.  Noticed business model is bit different than Logos.

Thankful for "Bible +" iOS update by Logos Bible Software; not know what to expect soon (e.g. July 1st).

Couple threads have older observations and speculations => If in app purchasing added to iOS app, wonder about Logos resource licensing change ? and No more access to purchased content

Hmmm. Every time I sell myself on the idea of getting an iPad another big negative sways me not to.

Will this development have any effect for Logos on iPad?

So, how is the Logos Android app coming along? 

Reading about Google's in-app billing (IAB) for Android => http://mashable.com/2011/04/20/android-in-app-purchasing/ noticed: "Don’t grumble about the fees that Google or Apple will
take from the transaction. These markets offer distribution to an
enormous audience, and is well worth the 30% revenue share"

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"Don’t grumble about the fees that Google or Apple will take from the transaction. These markets offer distribution to an enormous audience, and is well worth the 30% revenue share"

And I thought that the 3% that the credit cards collect on every transaction was high.  1/3 of the final sellers markup maybe but 1/3 of the price?? [Or have they killed the goose that lays the golden eggs?]  [What is next? if you use ''them'' to go to a web site to buy anything do they want a cut of that sale too?]

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Please RE READ ALL POST IN THIS THREAD – did I miss something –  from what I THINK I see in this thread is that BOTH Apple (ipad & iphone) and Google (Android) want to COLLECT 30% on each Ebook sale for any APP running on their operating systems.  Will there be any E-readers on them after July 1??  [Have they killed the goose that lays the golden eggs or do they just want all of the action for themselves?]  [Will they see Logos as an E-reader?? And if they do will they NOT allow Logos on the phones because Logos sells books for PC / MAC that might also be read on the phones?]  [Are they trying to get back to the pay for use on every system you read the book on? [one license for each cpu you use it on and not the Logos plan of one license per user and use it on all of the cpu’s you own] [where one cpu is one computer or one phone or one other device]]

Apple and Google have their own Book apps with purchasing on devices.  Apple set the 30 % cut for all digital content purchases purchased using Apple devices (includes songs in iTunes); Google copied and Amazon lowered their cut to match Apple.  Also Apple requires in-app content purchase price to be the same or lower than available elsewhere.

Currently not know App store future for non-Apple E-readers after July 1.  Likewise not know Google's plans for non-Google E-reader applications.

Also cognizant Apple action(s) being monitored => http://www.tuaw.com/tag/department+of+justice/

I think it is just a matter of time before the Justice Department Anti-Trust division comes down hard and buries Apple on this. If the folks at Cupertino think that they have more resources and hope than Redmond, they are kidding themselves.

I would not be surprised if a few years from now a settlement is made that requires Apple to sync Androids with iTunes and carry Android apps in the App Store.

With over 40 lawsuits about smart phones currently in progress worldwide, have no idea about future rulings and ramifications (including impacts to Logos apps).

Observation: both Apple and Google exercise dominant control over their respective platforms (which is also true for several other companies and corporations, including Microsoft).

Noticed article about Google and Justice Department => http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TEC_GOOGLE_ADVERTISING_INVESTIGATION?SITE=COCAN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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Thanks - [by the way I don't recall seeing a party for you when you crossed the 3000 post mark - a little late but thanks for being you]

Thankful to use God given talent to help others; personally have learned a lot from many forum threads and wiki pages along with using Logos software.

Thankful for friendly Logos forum discussions, Thankful for Logos Bible Study software (multi-platform), Thankful for Logos (company), and Thankful for Logos, the Word (John 1:1-18).

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Apologies: crystal ball cloudy; not know about future of non-Apple and non-Google e-book apps (on iOS and Android) after July 1.  If Apple evicts non-Apple e-book apps from their App Store (e.g. Kindle, Kobo, Nook, ...), would leave Apple with the only e-book app that can be used offline on iOS devices, which may be good for Apple's e-book store profits, but bad news for Apple's consumers.  If Apple profit increases by being the primary (only) e-book agent on iOS devices, anticipate Google doing the same thing on Android (possibly including remote deletion of non-Google e-book apps, like Google has already done to malware Android apps).

For business $ profit, Amazon (Kindle), Barnes & Noble (Nook), Borders (Kobo), and Sony (Digital Reader) have same primary e-book agent motive for their respective devices as Apple (iOS) and Google (Android).  Wonder about Microsoft's e-book agent plans for Windows Phone 7.

Hindsight 20/20: appears Apple waited for competitive e-book devices to flourish worldwide before changing app guidelines (avoids some anti-trust issues).

Personally hoping and praying for Logos Bible Software apps on iOS and Android devices, with feature improvement beyond e-book readers.

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Trying to make sure I understand...  Does the new Apple policy state that apps that sell ebooks MUST sell them through in-app purchase, or they just have to provide in-app purchase as an OPTION?

Page 4 of  No more access to purchased content discussion => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/29373.aspx?PageIndex=4 includes:

"Apple wants to create convenient electronic store for all digital content using Apple mobile devices that has over 100,000,000 million shoppers.  If consumer choses easy one click purchase in-app on Apple device, then Apple wants 30 % of new purchase revenue.  If consumer chooses to purchase externally, Apple gets nothing (while consumer can download new purchase to Apple device).  Apple wants all iOS content applications to have same or better pricing as external store along with prohibiting iOS content applications from linking to external web site on iOS device.  Also, Apple can block digital content from being downloaded to iOS application that does not offer in app purchasing (started this thread)."

Apple's press release on February 15, 2011 => http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/02/15appstore.html includes subscription (content) philosophy:

“Our philosophy is simple—when Apple brings a new subscriber to the app, Apple earns a 30 percent share; when the publisher brings an existing or new subscriber to the app, the publisher keeps 100 percent and Apple earns nothing,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “All we require is that, if a publisher is making a subscription offer outside of the app, the same (or better) offer be made inside the app, so that customers can easily subscribe with one-click right in the app. We believe that this innovative subscription service will provide publishers with a brand new opportunity to expand digital access to their content onto the iPad, iPod touch and iPhone, delighting both new and existing subscribers.”

Page 5 of  No more access to purchased content discussion => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/29373.aspx?PageIndex=5 includes Apple public confirmation on Tuesday February 16, 2011:

"Later Tuesday, Apple spokeswoman Trudy Muller confirmed that those rules apply not only to newspaper and magazine publishers, but also to content sellers like Amazon.com, which offers a Kindle app for the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad."

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I searched for Apple Apps and found none except in the Apple App Store.   Do you HAVE to get an app from Apple only?  [Or risk voiding your warranty?  [i.e. 'jailbroken']]

Looking at Wikipedia article => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/App_Store noticed: "The App Store is accessible from the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad via an iOS application by the same name. It is also the only way to directly download native applications onto an iOS device without jailbreaking
the device. Web applications can be installed on these devices,
bypassing the App Store entirely, but they tend to have less
functionality. The store is also accessible through iTunes, and then on
any operating system for which iTunes is provided (Mac OS X and Windows)."

Observation: developers can load their own apps for testing on iOS device(s).

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Mine will be the first in the dumper! 

I'll take your iPad off your hands... [:D]

I am "from Alabama" in a way, but do not live there now. My folks are from there and we spent our summers there. All of my extended family lives there. I can pick up and drop my accent at will. [:)] I will be taking my family down to the Gulf Shores area in a couple of weeks. Alabama has been hit hard the last couple of years with the oil spill and now the tornados.

KS4J - 

I know that at least 10 of those 130 million downloads are the free books I downloaded. Did you download any of the free books as well? I will admit, the App UI and the resources typography are superior in my opinion to noon & kindle. 

I believe the vast majority of iPad users have purchased an equal or greater amount of books through the nook & kindle readers. The iBookstore is a distant third.

To be fair, 15 billion song downloads is not a fair comparison with iBooks. First, iTunes has been around much longer. Second, it would be more fair to compare album sales to book sales. You can't download individual chapters for .99!