Gorgias Press Syriac Collection on Pre-Pub
I just got a promo email on this collection (http://www.logos.com/product/3186/gorgias-press-syriac-collection). Maybe I missed it before; but if anyone hasn't seen it or didn't get the promo email, looks good. I ordered.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Not sure when it came out, but I checked and I preordered on June 5 2010! I guess it's not too popular so far [:|]
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Well I just placed my order ... maybe it'll go into production soon!
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I had missed it as well . . ordered!
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Denise Barnhart said:
I just got a promo email on this collection (http://www.logos.com/product/3186/gorgias-press-syriac-collection). Maybe I missed it before; but if anyone hasn't seen it or didn't get the promo email, looks good. I ordered.
I've had this on order since 6/9/07.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Well the progress bar has gone up since BradN and I placed our orders. My prediction is 2 or 3 more people ordering this will put it into production.
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You're right ... when I refreshed the page after only an hour, the bar jumped quite a bit.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Rev Chris said:
My prediction is 2 or 3 more people ordering this will put it into production.
I hope you're right.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Wow it's just the slightest bit short of 100% Come on somebody, anybody, PLLLEEEAAASSSEEE!
http://www.logos.com/product/3186/gorgias-press-syriac-collection
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It is now marked "Under Development"
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Dominick Sela said:
Wow it's just the slightest bit short of 100% Come on somebody, anybody, PLLLEEEAAASSSEEE!
http://www.logos.com/product/3186/gorgias-press-syriac-collection
I just checked, and it is now listed as "under development."
You guys are bad for me. Now I need to find a way to pay for it. [:O]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Wow. Great work, Rev Chris and BradN!!!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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George Somsel said:
You guys are bad for me. Now I need to find a way to pay for it.
Just b/c it's under development doesn't mean you have to pay for it anytime soon. Some things are 'under development' for quite a while! But, I'm glad I could be part of the process to move it along
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If only it wasn't so expensive...
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I traded some classic latin for some syriac. I don't know how I missed it in the first place. And all the resources have dates that start with '20'. And the average volume price is also $20. What a deal!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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fgh said:
If only it wasn't so expensive...
Don't be a cheapskate. Haven't you ever heard, "You get what you pay for"?
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
Don't be a cheapskate. Haven't you ever heard, "You get what you pay for"?
We could say the same about the New interpreter's Dictionary or the New Interpreter's Bible Commentary. I've signed up for both, but obviously not everyone has...
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Rev Chris said:George Somsel said:
Don't be a cheapskate. Haven't you ever heard, "You get what you pay for"?
We could say the same about the New interpreter's Dictionary or the New Interpreter's Bible Commentary. I've signed up for both, but obviously not everyone has...
But if I'm right that there is no prepub discount, I can fail to be a cheapskate later without penalty.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Can't wait for Syriac collection, pre-ordered a month or so ago...delighted to see it go into production.
Does anyone else feel like I do, with some products, I pre-order them because I believe the are so important and therefore need development in Logos, that I pre-order even if I have no real personal use at the moment (but hopefully down the track)?
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Is Mebin said:
Does anyone else feel like I do, with some products, I pre-order them because I believe the are so important and therefore need development in Logos,
[Y]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Before I say anything else... Finally!!! I've had this pre-ordered since Apr 19, 2007 [:D].
Denise Barnhart said:I traded some classic latin for some syriac. I don't know how I missed it in the first place. And all the resources have dates that start with '20'. And the average volume price is also $20. What a deal!
Don't get too excited about the dates. The two volumes by Wilson and Kiraz (Lexical Tools to the Syriac New Testament) are the only twenty-first century scholarship. The volume from Brock is a twenty-first century reprint of his 1989 volume. It is republished in this collection in it's Syriac translation and not in it's English translation. The four volumes by Burkitt, Hill, Murdock, and O'Leary, and the two volumes by Wright (one, titled Short History of Syriac Literature, was incorrectly attributed to George Kiraz), are all late-nineteenth century works with the exception of O'Leary's which is from the first decade of the twentieth century.
The twenty-first century dates of the seven volumes of older scholarship are the dates when these public-domain works were reprinted by Gorgias Press.
That is not to say this is not an outstanding collection. It is. These are volumes which, although somewhat dated in their scholarship, have for the most part stood the test of time in the field of Syriac Studies. They also provide us with English translations of the Diatesseron and New Testament Peshitta (although I could wish they used someone other than Murdock
.Mostly, this provides a good introduction to Syriac Christianity and Syriac Studies that will wet the appetite for those who find the world of the Syriac speaking Christians as fascinating as I do. I really only have one complaint. It does not include an English version of Brock's The Bible in the Syriac Tradition. It only includes the Syriac version and as an introductory collection I find that very strange. But that probably has to do with what version(s) of the text Gorgias Press was authorized to reprint at the time the collection was put together. Since Gorgias now has reprint rights to an English version of the text maybe Logos can go back and get that added to the collection either with or in replacement of the Syriac translation (Please!!!).
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Is Mebin said:
Does anyone else feel like I do, with some products, I pre-order them because I believe the are so important and therefore need development in Logos, that I pre-order even if I have no real personal use at the moment (but hopefully down the track)?
As per MJ, [Y]
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Rev Chris said:
Just b/c it's under development doesn't mean you have to pay for it anytime soon. Some things are 'under development' for quite a while! But, I'm glad I could be part of the process to move it along
And in this case it may be quite a while until they are available. The majority of the works (seven volumes) are reprints from the nineteenth century so there are no electronic texts to start from. While Logos has previously stated that this does not significantly affect cost, I imagine it does affect time. Additionally, typesetting the Syriac is probably time consuming. The volumes also have an average length of about 300 pages.
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I am glad this is under development. Thanks to all who ordered it!!
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Denise Barnhart said:
And the average volume price is also $20. What a deal!
The average price/resource for my current Logos library is about $1.65...
George Somsel said:Don't be a cheapskate. Haven't you ever heard, "You get what you pay for"?
Though I certainly wouldn't mind this one, I still think I'll get more out of the $6 Manual of Councils of the Holy Catholic Church (2 vols.), or the $50 Jewish Encyclopedia (12 vols.) than I'll get from spending $179.95 on this.
James W Bennett said:They also provide us with English translations of the ... New Testament Peshitta (although I could wish they used someone other than Murdock
.Wait a minute here... That's the exact same book as in the Early Bible Translations Collection (15 vols.), isn't it? Except one's the original and one's a reprint. Isn't it kind of weird to produce the same book twice? And expect us to pay for it twice? (The people interested in one collection are probably roughly the same as the ones interested in the other.)
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fgh said:
Wait a minute here... That's the exact same book as in the Early Bible Translations Collection (15 vols.), isn't it? Except one's the original and one's a reprint. Isn't it kind of weird to produce the same book twice? And expect us to pay for it twice? (The people interested in one collection are probably roughly the same as the ones interested in the other.)
But you are only paying twice if you buy both on pre-pub, and in this case both prices are discounted, so you are not really paying twice [:)]. If you wait to purchase when one or both are out of pre-pub then Logos will often allow a discounted price for a collection if you call them and let them know that you already own some of the material.
Hmmm... this line of questioning makes me wonder...
In the case of the Early Bible Translations Collection (15 vols.) we have a Logos product built from public domain sources.
In the case of the Gorgias Press Syriac Collection (9 vols.) we have a Gorgias Press (or Logos ?) product built from Gorgias Press reprints of public domain sources for seven of the nine volumes. The other two volumes are modern academic works.
What would be the cost differential of Logos providing these seven (actually six works since they are already doing Murdock's translation) themselves rather than licensing them from Gorgias Press or getting Gorgias Press to publish them? Then they would just have to go to Gorgias Press for two volumes [6]. Maybe we could get all these books for less.
Scratch that line of thought. Logos, please do not even think of changing your licensing agreements with Gorgias Press. I have already been waiting more than four years for this collection to get out of the Gathering Interest stage to have it delayed further for the remote possibility of a lower cost [:D].
But it does kind of make you wonder about how digitization, licensing, tagging, typesetting, etc. all play into determining the cost of a book or collection.
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James W Bennett said:Rev Chris said:
Just b/c it's under development doesn't mean you have to pay for it anytime soon. Some things are 'under development' for quite a while! But, I'm glad I could be part of the process to move it along
And in this case it may be quite a while until they are available. The majority of the works (seven volumes) are reprints from the nineteenth century so there are no electronic texts to start from. While Logos has previously stated that this does not significantly affect cost, I imagine it does affect time. Additionally, typesetting the Syriac is probably time consuming. The volumes also have an average length of about 300 pages.
You're still in the 19th century. No one typesets today. It's all computer driven. [;)]
george
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