Why is the recently announced Talmud pre-pub so exciting and important?
Prompted by Hendrik-Jan van der Wal's post on another thread, I decided to do for the Talmud what I did for the Catena Aurea. Maybe this post will end up edited and on the Logos blog, too. 
Perhaps the people at Logos (or someone else...) could write about the Talmud on the Logos blog.
Well, I'm not very knowledgeable about it myself, but I do know how to do a bit of research. And I don't have access to the Logos blog to post to it, but I can write here.
Logos recently announced the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud Collection (50 vols) in pre-pub. I think this is an unfortunate choice of name since it looks like some vast scholarly collection of monographs about the Talmud. But it isn't. This is the Talmud! Many of you have probably heard of it and vaguely know it's important to Jews, but have no idea really what it is. So here's an explanation.
Compilation from several Wikipedia articles: "The Talmud (Hebrew: תַּלְמוּד talmūd "instruction, learning", from a root lmd "teach, study") is a central text of mainstream Judaism, in the form of a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, philosophy, customs and history. The Talmud has two components: the Mishnah (c. 200 [AD]), the first written compendium of Judaism's Oral Law; and the Gemara (c. 500 [AD]), a discussion of the Mishnah and related Tannaitic writings that often ventures onto other subjects and expounds broadly on the Tanakh." "The Mishnah...is the first major written redaction of the Jewish oral traditions called the "Oral Torah" and the first major work of Rabbinic Judaism." Tannaitic refers to the Tannaim, "the Rabbinic sages whose views are recorded in the Mishnah." "The Tanakh...is a name used in Judaism for the canon of the Hebrew Bible. The Tanakh is also known as the Masoretic Text or the Miqra."
"The process of 'Gemara' proceeded in the two major centers of Jewish scholarship, the Land of Israel and Babylonia. Correspondingly, two bodies of analysis developed, and two works of Talmud were created. The older compilation is called the Jerusalem Talmud or the Talmud Yerushalmi. It was compiled in the fourth century in Israel. The Babylonian Talmud was compiled about the year 500 C.E., although it continued to be edited later. The word 'Talmud', when used without qualification, usually refers to the Babylonian Talmud."
From Internet Sacred Text Archive: "The Talmud is a vast collection of Jewish laws and traditions. Despite the dry subject matter the Talmud makes interesting reading because it is infused with vigorous intellectual debate, humor and deep wisdom. As the saying goes, 'you don't have to be Jewish' to appreciate this text. If you put in the hard work required to read the Talmud, your mind will get a world-class workout."
Some quotations from the Talmud:
Beware of too much laughter, for it deadens the mind and produces oblivion.
Customs are more powerful than laws.
For the sake of peace one may lie, but peace itself should never be a lie.
God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee.
He that gives should never remember, he that receives should never forget.
Hold no man responsible for what he says in his grief.
Humor the sons of the poor, for they give science its splendor.
Learning is achieved only in company.
Live well. It is the greatest revenge.
Never expose yourself unnecessarily to danger; a miracle may not save you...and if it does, it will be deducted from your share of luck or merit.
Until a child is one year old it is incapable of sin.
Who can protest and does not, is an accomplice in the act.
Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world; and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world.
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"Talmud" is part of the Logos Controlled Vocabulary, so a Basic search for Talmud in your Entire Library will produce a Topic section at the beginning, with links to all your resources that have a main entry for Talmud. Worth reading a couple of these to get a better idea of what the Talmud is and what its value is to Christian study of the Bible and Judeo-Christian history.
The Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible entry has this helpful section:
"Present Significance of the Talmud.
"The Talmud across the centuries occupied an important place in Jewish education and was the principal text of study. Jewish academies and schools studied the completed Talmud. At an early age, Jewish youth began study, and this emphasis continued in the more advanced program of instruction in the Yeshivot (seminary equivalents). This distinctive feature of study, spanning the Middle Ages to the modern period, reached the point where the knowledge of the Talmud was considered better than that of the Scriptures. However, the Jewish humanist Enlightenment movement in the 1800s, no doubt resulting from attacks on the validity of the OT by critical scholars in the continental church in Europe, appealed to great numbers of Jewish people who could find little help in the Talmud for the secular world view of the 19th century. At the same time however, the Talmud was the mainstay of the religiously oriented Jew who sought by Halakah to meet the new demands of a modern world.
"With the rise of the State of Israel there appeared a greater interest in the Talmud, even where it had been previously neglected. More and more Jewish schools outside of Israel and the schools in Israel include it as a course of study. In Israel in particular, many laws which had become obsolete with the fall of Israel in a.d. 70 are now beginning to find application, for example, in agriculture, and the Talmud is providing more light and guidance. Even in situations where the laws of the Talmud would not directly apply the Talmud provides applicable guidelines, for example, in observance of Jewish festivals, marriage laws, virtues of compassion and benevolence, and hatred for injustice in society, that reflect biblical and Jewish values.
"The Christian can also benefit from the Talmud since it provides insights into life, beliefs, and religious practices of the 1st century a.d. The Gospel accounts find parallels in the Talmud. Not unexpectedly, the Gospels reflect a Jewish world and culture, and therefore the Talmud provides an indispensible background. The Mishna in particular provides a great deal of knowledge as to temple life and practices. There is also an opportunity to observe ancient Jewish insights into scriptural exegesis and practice."
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Here's an example of one of the multitude of places where Logos resources refer to the Talmud that could be enhanced by having the Talmud to link to. This is from the first International Critical Commentary volume on Matthew, discussing the "voice from heaven" in Matt 3:17:
"It is natural to link the voice from the heavens with the rabbinic bat qôl (‘daughter of a voice’) because this vehicle of revelation sometimes quoted Scripture (e.g. b. Soṭa 21a; b. Sanh. 104b), often came to declare God’s favourable estimation of a righteous individual or to settle disputes (e.g. t. Soṭa 13:3–4; b. Soṭa 48b; b. Sanh. 11a; b. B. Meṣ. 59b; b. Ta˓an. 24b), was often spoken of as being from the heavens (e.g. b. Ḥag. 14b; b. Sanh. 11 a;—but note also Deut 4:36; Dan 4:31), and could be thought of as the voice of God himself (e.g. b. Meg. 3a; b. Sanh. 94a). Caution is nevertheless required. The distance between the rabbis and the evangelists can be seen in this, that while for the former—perhaps in response to Christianity?—the bat qôl is generally an inferior substitute for the Holy Spirit (t. Soṭa 13:2; b. Yoma 9b), for the latter the voice accompanies a new coming of God’s Spirit, and it is no ‘echo’: in the gospels God speaks directly, without intermediary, to his Son. Hence specifically rabbinic conceptions of the bat qôl offer as much of a contrast as a comparison with regard to Mt 3:16, and we cannot claim that the voice at the Jordan is just the Christian equivalent of the rabbinic ‘daughter of a voice’."
All of those obscure references beginning with the abbreviation "b." would be links to the Babylonian Talmud in your Logos Library if you had it.
That's why this is such a monumental announcement from Logos that they are going to produce this resource. We are so blessed! (And this is from someone who didn't know that much about the Talmud before I started writing this post. Doesn't take long to find out how valuable it is.)
Yes, $159.95 sounds like a lot of money for a single Judaic resource, but it is after all 50 volumes worth of content. Think of it as more comparable to a 50-volume commentary set than a collection of miscellaneous books about some topic. Would you think $159.95 is a good deal for the former? Probably. Now go raid the penny jar and put $5 away this week, and again next week, and before you know it you'll have $160 saved up...long before Logos will be able to finish getting this resource produced.
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...that will give me 1-2 days to read it all before the Rapture!
Rapture?
In my dictionary I see that this term can mean: to be ecstatic, a state of pleasure, or being deeply moved to happiness.
So, it will take you one to two days to get excited about the Talmud? However, the responses of others who replied after this post, lead me to believe that can't be what you meant? So, now I am sure this must either be so inside joke, and/or it is a theological term. Fill me in on the joke, someone?
Anyway, congratulations to Logos they must have put in a lot of hours of typing, tagging, and formatting into this project.
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
Rapture?
In my dictionary I see that this term can mean: to be ecstatic, a state of pleasure, or being deeply moved to happiness.
I think he misspelled it. It should have been "rupture."
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
However, the responses of others who replied after this post, lead me to believe that can't be what you meant? So, now I am sure this must either be so inside joke, and/or it is a theological term. Fill me in on the joke, someone?
Yes, Rapture (with capital R) is a theological term. Do a Basic Search for it in your Entire Library in Logos and you'll find some definitions in the Topic section at the top of the search results (you might have to click Topic to expand it if it looks collapsed like this):
Many Christians take "The Rapture" seriously, though there is by no means any consensus on whether there is such a thing mentioned in the Bible, whether it is to be taken literally, whether it has happened already, whether it will happen ever or in our lifetimes, whether we need to concern ourselves about it at all. Most who believe in it do agree, however, that no one can know when it will happen, and that speculation about it is pointless and a diversion from what Christ wants us to be about. What Eric and George and I were joking about (which is probably not fair game on this forum where we are not supposed to make fun of any theological positions no matter how ridiculous we find them) is a group who believe they have figured out exactly when the Rapture will occur, and it's May 21, 2011, at around 6pm. They are going around the world trying to warn people about this. There might be some folks from that group reading these forums, though I strongly doubt it. They probably wouldn't feel their time is well spent learning how to use Bible software when time is so short to warn the world about Judgment Day. Only 6 days left. I bet they wouldn't order any pre-pubs either. No point, as they wouldn't be around to receive them. And if they were reading the forums, they'd be posting their warnings here, which I haven't seen, so I think we can safely assume they aren't reading this.
Yes, Rapture (with capital R) is a theological term. Do a Basic Search for it in your Entire Library in Logos and you'll find some definitions in the Topic section at the top of the search results...
Maybe, not as my current (but growing) Logos library basically consists of the 52 vols I got with Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible Version 3.0, the BHS Helps collection, Understanding the BHS, and the Qumran Biblical Dead Sea Scrolls Database. I'll give the search a try though.
However, thank you for your answer
Many Christians take "The Rapture" seriously, though there is by no means any consensus on whether there is such a thing mentioned in the Bible, whether it is to be taken literally, whether it has happened already, whether it will happen ever or in our lifetimes, whether we need to concern ourselves about it at all. Most who believe in it do agree, however, that no one can know when it will happen, and that speculation about it is pointless and a diversion from what Christ wants us to be about. What Eric and George and I were joking about (which is probably not fair game on this forum where we are not supposed to make fun of any theological positions no matter how ridiculous we find them) is a group who believe they have figured out exactly when the Rapture will occur, and it's May 21, 2011, at around 6pm.
I got it, and now the joke does make sense to me.
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
What Eric and George and I were joking about (which is probably not fair game on this forum where we are not supposed to make fun of any theological positions no matter how ridiculous we find them) is a group who believe they have figured out exactly when the Rapture will occur, and it's May 21, 2011, at around 6pm.
I was in Kansas City this last weekend and found quite a few billboards that warned about the rapture on May 21st - some Christian radio station was sponsoring it. I thought 'how strange'. Didn't realize it was a nation/world-wide phenomenon though! I guess we've become smarter than Jesus who proclaimed even he didn't know when it would happen (Mark 13:32). It truly is the "information age" 
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They probably wouldn't feel their time is well spent learning how to use Bible software when time is so short to warn the world about Judgment Day. Only 6 days left. I bet they wouldn't order any pre-pubs either. No point, as they wouldn't be around to receive them.I figure I would order EVERYTHING without a tinge of guilt because I know just as sure as I won't have to be around to pay for any of them, Logos would not be around to get mad about it.
And if they were reading the forums, they'd be posting their warnings here, which I haven't seen, so I think we can safely assume they aren't reading this.Let us hope it doesn't start. We may need a spam cop for a week., A few decades back they (same guy?) announced the return and a co-worker of mine gave away his pickup truck. When Jesus missed the rendezvous the co-worker asked the relative for his truck to be returned. They refused.
Back on topic: If Harold Camping is indeed correct about a May 21st return, and if the Dispensation of the Church ends, it may come in very handy to have the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud in Logos for the temple worship in Jerusalem to resume. Does anybody see any prophetic significance to the Pre-Pub release date happening just before the "Rapture?" That will give everyone 2 days to download before most of Logos Customer Service department disappears. "Most?" [:|]
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Many Christians take "The Rapture" seriously
While I know those that believe in the rapture are steadfast in their belief, if you know of any sources in Logos that confirm "many" I would love to read up on it, as everything I have read indicates it is an extremely small percentage of Christians that believe in the rapture. It was not even a theological concept in any circle of Christianity until the 19th century from what I have read, and I don't believe any of the mainline Protestant, Orthodox, or Roman Catholics teach it. I don't state this to debate or dispute your comment, just wondering where I may be able to get to a source that backs this up so I could read more about it - maybe before Saturday [;)]
Many Christians take "The Rapture" seriouslyWhile I know those that believe in the rapture are steadfast in their belief, if you know of any sources in Logos that confirm "many" I would love to read up on it, as everything I have read indicates it is an extremely small percentage of Christians that believe in the rapture. It was not even a theological concept in any circle of Christianity until the 19th century from what I have read, and I don't believe any of the mainline Protestant, Orthodox, or Roman Catholics teach it. I don't state this to debate or dispute your comment, just wondering where I may be able to get to a source that backs this up so I could read more about it - maybe before Saturday
I don't know of a resource that would quantify it. I was just going by gut feel and hearsay, and using the term "many" very loosely. The folks in the Bible study I used to be in all believed in it (but I
didn't). The church I grew up in took it for granted, though didn't teach about it much. The belief in the Rapture is just in the air in evangelical and fundamentalist Christianity in the US. I've come
away from that belief (if I ever really held it), but I think it is still pretty widespread among
American non-denominational Evangelicals (or at least assumed without
questioning or understanding how recent that belief is).
Worldwide, yes it's probably a very small percentage of Christians
who believe in it. But in the US, there are a lot of Christians who are
not mainline Protestant, Orthodox, or Roman Catholic. The Left Behind
series which promulgates a pre-tribulation rapture belief sold tens of
millions of copies. There are several seminaries (Dallas chief among
them) which hold to a Dispensational understanding of Scripture which
usually includes a belief in the Rapture. Hal Lindsey's book The Late Great Planet Earth was hugely influential in the US (40 million copies in print as of 1999), as was the 1972 rapture movie "A Thief in the Night." I've known a number of people who came to Christ out of fear because of that movie or the fear of being left behind in the Rapture.
It seems that this distinctly American phenomenon comes as a puzzlement to British Christians. There's an article by N.T. Wright in Bible Review 17:04 (Aug 2001) called "Farewell to the Rapture" which starts out: "The American obsession with the second coming of Jesus—especially with distorted interpretations of it—continues unabated. Seen from my side of the Atlantic, the phenomenal success of the Left Behind books appears puzzling, even bizarre. Few in the U.K. hold the belief on which the popular series of novels is based: that there will be a literal 'rapture' in which believers will be snatched up to heaven, leaving empty cars crashing on freeways and kids coming home from school only to find that their parents have been taken to be with Jesus while they have been 'left behind.' This pseudo-theological version of Home Alone has reportedly frightened many children into some kind of (distorted) faith."
Here's a Time Magazine article (including some poll data) that gives a bit of an indication how popular the rapture belief is in America. A Newsweek poll from 2004 showed that 55% of Americans believe in the Rapture. Someone also cites a Gallup poll that said 44% believe in the rapture though I couldn't find an original source for that.
A brief scan through books on Amazon.com related to the Rapture shows that there appear to be more books now discounting it than promoting it, however why would there be such a need to refute it if it weren't a pretty widespread belief? In any event, it is a hotly contested issue, and one must tread lightly when mentioning things that are so controversial on these forums.
a group who believe they have figured out exactly when the Rapture will occur, and it's May 21, 2011, at around 6pm.
Would that be GMT? Or Pacific? Or maybe Jerusalem time? I wouldn't want to be asleep and miss the whole thing, like I obviously missed this:
Somehow I had imagined the tribulation to be something you couldn't miss.
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a group who believe they have figured out exactly when the Rapture will occur, and it's May 21, 2011, at around 6pm.Would that be GMT? Or Pacific? Or maybe Jerusalem time? I wouldn't want to be asleep and miss the whole thing, like I obviously missed this:
I don't want to blame Harold Camping for all info on the internet relating to this but recent reports on the web describing the timeline (roll-out?) say Jesus will work by time zones. Yes, starting GMT and every hour working the next stage. I have a problem with the 24 hour duration of the "twinkling of an eye." 1 Corinthians 15:52 But maybe that is not the "Rapture" Paul is referring to here. I also find it strange God would subject the return to man's imposed measures of time.
Whatever happens, it will happen how God wants it to happen, and when God wants it to happen. Whether or not little ol' me understands it or believes it the correct way.
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All you May-21st Rapturists, please irrevocably sign/assign all your homes, cars, earthly goods, bank accounts, etc. (no debts, though), to me effective May 22, 2011, and I'll make sure the money and property are used to reach the lost during the Tribulation (which will end on October 21, 2011, according to Camping).
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I'll make sure the money and property are used to reach the lost during the Tribulation (which will end on October 21, 2011, according to Camping).
One school of thought in the Dispensational Camp is once the Rapture has taken place, the Church age is over and the Gospel of Grace to the Gentiles is expired. Many believe only Jews can get saved in the Tribulation. And many believe that number is literally limited to 144,000.
But not all think this is so. Jack Van Impe, Tim Lahaye, and many on TBN have evangelistic efforts to reach the lost on the down-side of the Rapture. There was even a video produced that starts with something like this: "If you are watching this video, you have been left behind..." and then proceeds with how to get saved and prepare for martyrdom in the Tribulation.
The "Rapture" (if it pans out that way) may not happen for 30 (or 300) more years. I could be "caught up" to meet the Lord this afternoon in an automobile accident. The real message is to be ready and be about the Lord's business. If it takes terror of an impending return to make men get right with God, that is fine by me.
Hmm. Just noticed something. "Dispensational Camp" ... Harold Camp-ing ... Herald Camp-ing ... sounds mystically prophetic.
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Well, I'm Jewish, but believe in Jesus, so I get to be Raptured AND get to go through the Tribulation!
I hate to say this, but the seven "I'm coming quickly/soon"s in Revelation make me regard it more as a view of what the early church - or at least one early Christian - believed than a prophetic word of things to come 100 or 500 or 1000 or 1500 or 2000 (and counting) years hence. [:S]
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recent reports on the web describing the timeline (roll-out?) say Jesus will work by time zones. Yes, starting GMT and every hour working the next stage.
Great! That'll give me 23 extra hours to repent. [:D] Of course, by then it would be 6 PM on the 22nd, not the 21st. Shouldn't He start in the Pacific if He's going to work His way around the globe? So that it's the same date for everyone?
I'll make sure the money and property are used to reach the lost during the Tribulation (which will end on October 21, 2011, according to Camping).
Not correct. It'll end on Saturday, according to his website:
After Saturday it's too late to repent, and everyone left is going to hell. Or maybe not. I'm not sure he believes in hell. It seems more like he believes they'll just be destroyed in the great fire and cease to exist.
Whatever happens, it will happen how God wants it to happen, and when God wants it to happen. Whether or not little ol' me understands it or believes it the correct way.
Amen to that!
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Would that be GMT? Or Pacific? Or maybe Jerusalem time? I wouldn't want to be asleep and miss the whole thing, like I obviously missed this:
Somehow I had imagined the tribulation to be something you couldn't miss.
First Witch.
All. Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
Round about the cauldron go; In the poison’d entrails throw. Toad, that under cold stone Days and nights hast thirty-one Swelter’d venom sleeping got, Boil thou first i’ the charmed pot.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
One school of thought in the Dispensational Camp is once the Rapture has taken place, the Church age is over
According to Camping it was over in 1988.
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One school of thought in the Dispensational Camp is once the Rapture has taken place, the Church age is overAccording to Camping it was over in 1988.
Yeah, I guess that is right. But why did he post all those billboards this month if nobody can get saved this week? Is it just a taunting? "ha ha, you lose.":
(Three blocks away we have a new billboard that says "Jesus is returning May 21, 2011, You can bank on it!" and it shows a hand writing in a checkbook register.)
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why did he post all those billboards this month if nobody can get saved this week?
33-1988: Age of the Church
1988-Saturday: Tribulation (God has left the churches, but works to save people outside the churches)
Next 5 months: Too late. Bad luck!
(His theology; not mine!)
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I don't want to blame Harold Camping for all info on the internet relating to this but recent reports on the web describing the timeline (roll-out?) say Jesus will work by time zones. Yes, starting GMT and every hour working the next stage. I have a problem with the 24 hour duration of the "twinkling of an eye." 1 Corinthians 15:52 But maybe that is not the "Rapture" Paul is referring to here. I also find it strange God would subject the return to man's imposed measures of time.
No, Matthew. It can't start from Greenwich. It must start at the International Date Line if it is to take place on the 21st. [:D] Oh well, let's party ! [B] [pi] [^] [G]
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
So I am wondering why all of this jocularity is not contrary to the forum rules since it is focused on a theological issue?
So I am wondering why all of this jocularity is not contrary to the forum rules since it is focused on a theological issue?
IMO, the jocularity is not focused on a theological issue, but on a false prophet's predictions and actions, which are destructive of many persons' lives, as will become evident in a few days.
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
Not to change the subject, but is the delivery of the Talmud going to occur this year? I placed a pre-pub order several months ago and it keeps being pushed back in delivery date.
As for the rapture occurring anytime this year, I would read 2 Thes 2:3 and then 1Thes 5:2&4 and go back to concentrating on something more important. My .02 worth.
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then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of God." - Proverbs 2:3-5
Not to change the subject, but is the delivery of the Talmud going to occur this year? I placed a pre-pub order several months ago and it keeps being pushed back in delivery date.
It still says ~5/19/11. I don't think we've ever gotten this close to a ship date for this product before it was pushed back, so hopefully we'll get it this week.
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
It still says ~5/19/11. I don't think we've ever gotten this close to a ship date for this product before it was pushed back, so hopefully we'll get it this week.
Don't be too sure of that. The Continuum Near Eastern History Collection has been pushed back twice. In both cases late on the very day when it was scheduled for release.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
It still says ~5/19/11. I don't think we've ever gotten this close to a ship date for this product before it was pushed back, so hopefully we'll get it this week.Don't be too sure of that. The Continuum Near Eastern History Collection has been pushed back twice. In both cases late on the very day when it was scheduled for release.
Maybe the Rapture will be pushed back, too. (Yet again.) So that I can get the N.T. Wright collection. [:)]
It still says ~5/19/11. I don't think we've ever gotten this close to a ship date for this product before it was pushed back, so hopefully we'll get it this week.
I have been looking forward to it since July 10th of 2010 when I pre-ordered it.
"If you cry out for insight and understanding and if you search for it as hidden treasure,
then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of God." - Proverbs 2:3-5
Well so much for the theory that today was the day they'd actually hold up to the ship date ... pushed back again 
Here's hoping they push back that rapture date as well so I can actually use it when it is released!
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Well, ~5/24/11 isn't a huge pushback from 5/19/11 (tomorrow).
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5/19 is today, but yes 5 days isn't all that bad ... if they hold to it. There's been so many pushbacks already that I'm not holding my breath. I was today since we actually got to the day of the projected release, but now I can breathe again
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5/19 is today, but yes 5 days isn't all that bad ... if they hold to it. There's been so many pushbacks already that I'm not holding my breath. I was today since we actually got to the day of the projected release, but now I can breathe again
If you do decide to hold your breath, let us know so we can sit shiva for you. [;)]
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
Wow! I lost a whole day in my life. Where did it go?
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I don't think Rev Chris is Jewish.
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
I don't think Rev Chris is Jewish.
What gave it away? 
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I don't think Rev Chris is Jewish.
What gave it away?
The fact that you don't look Jewish.
As for me, however (circumcised on the eighth day, named Yisrael at my bris, bar-mitzvahed at the age of 13, a secularist of secularists - or at least until I became a believer)
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
I don't think Rev Chris is Jewish.
What gave it away?
As I said, "You can never be absolutely sure." Madeline Albright didn't know that she had been born Jewish until her adulthood. It seems that she had been given to a Catholic couple to save her from Hitler.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
I don't think Rev Chris is Jewish.
Neither am I -- at least I don't think so, but you can never be absolutely sure.
There were a couple of posts some weeks (months?) ago about your name, and I got curious and looked around on some genealogical webpages, where I found some hints it might be Jewish Hungarian. Never had time to write about it. So you never know; you might have a Jewish ancestor somewhere.
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There were a couple of posts some weeks (months?) ago about your name, and I got curious and looked around on some genealogical webpages, where I found some hints it might be Jewish Hungarian. Never had time to write about it. So you never know; you might have a Jewish ancestor somewhere.
I'll dispute the Hungarian part (Czech and German with some other stuff thrown in such as American Indian), but if I have Jewish ancestry, I'll acknowledge it with pride. Pray for Israel. Our President is attempting to destroy her.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
I'll dispute the Hungarian part (Czech and German with some other stuff thrown in such as American Indian), but if I have Jewish ancestry, I'll acknowledge it with pride. Pray for Israel. Our President is attempting to destroy her.
I was in Israel in 2009. I shudder to think what would become of Jewish and Christian Biblical archeological sites if Jerusalem were given to the Palestinians. Remember what the Taliban did to the Buddha statues in Afghanistan. Any proof or remnants of Jewish occupation of Jerusalem during Biblical times would be destroyed, either deliberately or by deliberate neglect and failure to protect.
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
Pray for Israel. Our President is attempting to destroy her.
This comment has nothing to do with either the Talmud or Logos and is very provocative.
I just got home from a busy day. Can't we leave politics outside the forum... shouldn't there be some sanctuary?
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I'm sorry to resurrect an old thread but I recently aquired the Jerusalem Talmud by Neusner. In briefly looking through the Table of Contents there lists Divisions One through Four and then there is a Sixth Division but there is no Fifth Division. Anyone know why? I doublt it is an oversight as someone would have found this by now. Thank you in advance
I'm sorry to resurrect an old thread but I recently aquired the Jerusalem Talmud by Neusner. In briefly looking through the Table of Contents there lists Divisions One through Four and then there is a Sixth Division but there is no Fifth Division. Anyone know why? I doublt it is an oversight as someone would have found this by now. Thank you in advance
I'm utterly ignorant of these things, but I think the second paragraph of the general intro to the text answers your question:
"The Mishnah is comprised by six massive topical expositions, each exposition subdivided into up to a dozen further sub-topics. The Mishnah’s six divisions in order are “agriculture,” “appointed times,” “women,” “damages (having to do with civil law),” “holy things,” and “purities.” The topical subdivisions found within the divisions are called tractates and there are sixty-two in all.
"The Yerushalmi treats most of the tractates in the first four divisions of the Mishnah’s six divisions, while the Bavli treats most of the tractates in the second through the fifth divisions."