Some morphological/syntactical help needed

Hans van den Herik
Hans van den Herik Member Posts: 347 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I try to search for "hand of YHWH" and the preposition 'al'. I want to search all the instances where "the hand of the Lord' [came/was/etc.] over [somebody]. In de days of Logos 3 I made a visual query for that. But in Logos 4 I don't know how to search for it.

I tried the following Morphological search but the results are poor (see below)

lemma:עַל.2.P AND (lemma:יָד WITHIN 1 WORDS lemma:יהוה).

I also tried  lemma:עַל.2.P WITHIN 2 WORDS (lemma:יָד WITHIN 1 WORDS lemma:יהוה). But no results.

How can it be done?

And: is there also a possibility to make a syntax search for it?

Hans

 

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,339

    I can only suggest a refinement of your search by varying the proximity  eg.

    (lemma:יָד WITHIN 1 word lemma:יהוה) WITHIN 3 words lemma:עַל.2.P

    I'll see if Syntax Search is any easier.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,339
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/251294#Comment_251294

    This illustrates the possibilies of a Syntax Search as it has a  Phrase "upon" construct:

    image

    The Body Part of the Phrase could be hand or mouth - you may need to specify the lexeme as with Yahweh.  Then, based on the results of your text search, you could specify a verbal Clause IC following IC 1 ie. imitate the structure of the AF Phrase Analysis for those results.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Hans van den Herik
    Hans van den Herik Member Posts: 347 ✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/251533#Comment_251533

    Dave

     image

    Thanks for the answer! But I have a problem. How did you make that Syntax Search. I tried to reproduce it, but I failed. See screenshot

    Is there some additional information about that? I viewed the videos concerning Syntax Search, but it remains very difficult for me to make a Syntax Query.

  • Nielsen Tomazini
    Nielsen Tomazini Member Posts: 247 ✭✭

    A.J. I did a syntax search but I was trying to find Yahweh as the subject (either Yahweh, Elohim, I, or me), followed by a direct object that contains the word "hand"  followed by the phrase "upon". I have allowed anything in between these elements.

    So I got only 4 results. It is not yet a accurate search. I have tried other searches but this is the best I got so far. I will keep trying and if I get something I will let you know.

    Please see the search below:

    image:

    www.aprendalogos.com 
    Youtube: AprendaLogos

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,339
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/251728#Comment_251728

    A.J. van den Herik said:

    Thanks for the answer! But I have a problem. How did you make that Syntax Search. I tried to reproduce it, but I failed.

    It helps to not use the 4.3 beta version which cripples the detail shown in my query from v4.2b. The Clause IC looks OK from what is ticked. Do likewise for the Phrase and add the Yahweh lexeme to the Segment.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

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