Library?
My collection of "resources" is called a "library", correct? Then shouldn't I be able to sort and arrange my library just like a library does...with a sort of dewey decimal system? I don't mean that literally, of course. But being able to collect all of my resources in folders and subfolders would be immensely helpful, not to mention logical. I am somewhat ADD, and things like "litter" and "scatter" really annoy me and can even reduce my sense of working "wellness"; in other words it has a negative psychological effect on me. Having "collections" that don't start with the same word in their title means the collections are scattered alphabetically willy nilly. For instance, the T&T BS series each is named after it namesake Bible book and are not given a "series" label. Thus they are scattered randomly through my "library". I can group some things by "series", but that is only a slight improvement since my collections are still not grouped and sorted in any logical way (i.e. the series are listed by alphabetical order, not by book type), and many collections don't have a "series" identification (even when they should--such as the papyri collection). Yes, setting priorities on certain items is helpful in certain circumstances, but it is far from a universal sollution. Is there an option to do this? If not, how long before there can be?
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I don't know Logos' plans but it seems with some creative naming of collections you could accomplish this. You might need to put a number or a number/letter sequence at the start of the Collection name so they will be ordered in a way you'd like.
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Although the collections mechanism may work in terms of creating a single collection, and even multiple single collections, does it have the option of creating collections of collections? In other words, subfolders? I want, for instance, to group multivolume commentaries, and then put them in a group of commentaries, and possible in a group of just multivolume commentaries. Is that possible?
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David Paul said:
In other words, subfolders?
No you cannot do this. It is not a Favorites list-type function (folders and sub-folders).
You can create collections (call them sub-collections, if you will) and then in a new collection pane drag the 'sub-collections' you want to the '+add these' area and this will bring all the 'sub-collection' resources into this larger collection. They don't appear as separate collections within the larger collection, but this does give you a quick way to bunch collections together.
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David Paul said:
Although the collections mechanism may work in terms of creating a single collection, and even multiple single collections, does it have the option of creating collections of collections? In other words, subfolders? I want, for instance, to group multivolume commentaries, and then put them in a group of commentaries, and possible in a group of just multivolume commentaries. Is that possible?
I think Collections should be viewable in Library, just as Series are. Mark doesn't regard the current ability to create Collections of collections as true nesting but I think that could be achieved with some work by Logos. Then you can organise your Library by Collections, view the nested collections within and expand down to the resources.
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David Paul said:
Although the collections mechanism may work in terms of creating a single collection, and even multiple single collections, does it have the option of creating collections of collections? In other words, subfolders? I want, for instance, to group multivolume commentaries, and then put them in a group of commentaries, and possible in a group of just multivolume commentaries. Is that possible?
This is possible through nesting collections. you will create a collection for each commentary multivolume set you want to create. For instance, to create a collection of the Word Biblical Commentaries series use a rule of [series:word bi]
If you want to create a collection with ALL your commentary series you can use the rule [type:commentary series:]
If you want to select specific commentaries to add to your multi-series collection click open, then drag the name of the collection you want to add to the "+ These Resources" section.
For future reference if you start a new thread for new topics you will get more helpful replies.
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Hi, and thanks for replying. My original question remains...does all of the "collections" creating actually affect the appearance of my Library? Or does it only affect searching? I realize I could try it first and see, but I am leery of wading into water holes unless I know how deep they get. My pressing concern is reducing the number of lines in my Library...2500 is too many to deal with in a reasonable manner. Thanks.
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David Paul said:
Hi, and thanks for replying. My original question remains...does all of the "collections" creating actually affect the appearance of my Library? Or does it only affect searching? I realize I could try it first and see, but I am leery of wading into water holes unless I know how deep they get. My pressing concern is reducing the number of lines in my Library...2500 is too many to deal with in a reasonable manner. Thanks.
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I'm not sure why you are concerned with the appearance of your library. If you walk into a large library you will see case after case of nothing but books. So in the L4 library you will see a list of work upon work. To make a library useful it is necessary to resort to a system of cataloging -- usually by the topic of the book (such as "Religion" or "Astronomy", etc) . In L4 some of this cataloging has already been done. I chose "Reformation" as a test since I have been reading Muller's Post Reformation Reformed Dogmatics. Not too many books have "reformation" in the title so what did I get?
1. Calvin and Reformation: Four Studies (about as expected)
2. History of the Interpretation (not simply of the reformation interpretation)
3. History of the Christian Church (from the beginning)
4. The Holy Bible Translated from the Latin Vulgate (what ?)
5. Institutte of the Christian Religion (not in the title, but not unexpected)
6. Letter of James: A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary (again, who'd a thunk it?)
7. Luke 1: A Commentary on the Gospel of Luke 1:1-9:50 (hmmm, curious)
8. Paul's First Lettters: Galatians and I & II Thessalonians (curiouser and curiouser)
9-12 Post-Reformation Reformed Dogmatics (definitely expected).The program thus does the categorizing for you as would be the case with LOC or Dewey numbers only better.
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I have to say, as a user of quickverse and Logos4. Quickverse is much better at sorting your books specifically the way you want. They break them down to commentaries, devotionals, theology, etc. Seems like an easy process for Logos to accomplish. Certainly makes it a lot easier looking for something. At least I think
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Hi Bill - and welcome to the forums
Have you looked at http://wiki.logos.com/Library__ which shows some of the ways in which you can organise and filter information in your library?
Particularly the section on "Using a Column heading to filter your resource list" near the bottom of the article
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Bill Kittredge said:
I have to say, as a user of quickverse and Logos4. Quickverse is much better at sorting your books specifically the way you want. They break them down to commentaries, devotionals, theology, etc. Seems like an easy process for Logos to accomplish. Certainly makes it a lot easier looking for something. At least I think
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In Logos 4, often have Library and Collections open (usually in a floating window).
Logos 4 can search collections. "Cited By" tool shows resources containing Bible reference in each collection (can click triangle to expand/collapse a collection). Also, collections can be used in Passage and Exegetical Guides.
Wiki has Collections and Example Collections pages. Thankful, Logos 4 allows collections to be nested (included or excluded).
Noticed my Logos library has 24 resource types (Bible Commentary, Calendar Devotional, etc). My "Theology" collection has Monograph, Encyclopedia, and Journal types; using rule => title:(theology,dogmatics,fundamentals,doctrine,Polhill) to search titles for keywords.
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I got so annoyed with the lack of positive response to this issue that I have spent days doing nothing but appending headers to much of my Library. I attach theders to the Name column...thankful that I have the option to do so. Examples include:
- Au_Name> for works of a particular author
- Apol> Apologetics
- Bib_E> English Bibles
- Bib_G> Greek Bibles
- Bib_H> Hebrew Bibles
- BS> Bible Study
- C_Bk> Commentary on a Book
- C_M> Commentary on Multiple volumes
I have to say, burning hours of my life to do this time-consuming drudgery is one of many reasons my attitude toward Logos has dimmed.
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Sorry David. Remember, when you first posted your question, most of us were still feeling out the software. Only recently I am starting to learn how to create rule based collections as I want them.
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David Paul said:
Examples include:
- Au_Name> for works of a particular author
- Apol> Apologetics
- Bib_E> English Bibles
- Bib_G> Greek Bibles
- Bib_H> Hebrew Bibles
- BS> Bible Study
- C_Bk> Commentary on a Book
- C_M> Commentary on Multiple volumes
I'm a bit puzzled by your examples in that at least 4 of them can be handled by collection rules without adding tags. Is there some reason that the Logos coding doesn't work for you on authors and Bibles?
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What are the 24 resource types? (If you would please list...) Thank You
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Douglas said:
What are the 24 resource types? (If you would please list...) Thank You
You can find this in your own library by clicking the Type column heading to sort/group by type. You might not have resources from every single type category in your own library, though. I do happen to have at least one from each of the 24 types.
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Rosie Perera said:
You can find this in your own library by clicking the Type column heading to sort/group by type.
I think Apparatus and Commentary are incorrect metadata as the the common ones are prefixed with "Bible".
I also have Manual which is probably correct for the Libronix DLS Object Model Reference.
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Dave Hooton said:Rosie Perera said:
You can find this in your own library by clicking the Type column heading to sort/group by type.
I think Apparatus and Commentary are incorrect metadata as the the common ones are prefixed with "Bible".
It seems that Apparatus and Commentary are by design, as they refer to apparatuses and commentaries on things other than the Bible:
The Commentary type for N.T. Wright's The Challenge of Jesus is clearly a mistake though, as that's not a commentary at all; it's a monograph. (I've reported it on the wiki page for reporting metadata errors.)
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Rosie Perera said:
The Commentary type for N.T. Wright's The Challenge of Jesus is clearly a mistake though, as that's not a commentary at all; it's a monograph. (I've reported it on the wiki page for reporting metadata errors.)
Thank you, Rosie. I've just hit this also.
Based on the collections I created (separating commentaries out from others), I had come to believe I did not have this book!
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MJ. Smith said:David Paul said:
Examples include:
- Au_Name> for works of a particular author
- Apol> Apologetics
- Bib_E> English Bibles
- Bib_G> Greek Bibles
- Bib_H> Hebrew Bibles
- BS> Bible Study
- C_Bk> Commentary on a Book
- C_M> Commentary on Multiple volumes
I'm a bit puzzled by your examples in that at least 4 of them can be handled by collection rules without adding tags. Is there some reason that the Logos coding doesn't work for you on authors and Bibles?
In general and specifically, Yes. I confess I don't know a whole lot about collections, because I haven't created any. Mark Barnes already has chided me for this, saying that I am losing out on a great deal of the utility L4 has to offer. Probably...except wringing every drop of utility out of L4 won't be enough for me to give up L3, because L4 can't do what I use L3 to do all day, every day. I will never figure out the majority of what L4 can do, because I am too busy using L3 to accomplish what L4 can't do. When I open my library, I want to see a neatly organized set of books arranged by topic, author, function, etc. I want it to be arranged by the method of my own choosing. I am speaking of now of the "appearance" of my library. I want to scroll my entire library and see it arranged in the manner that suits me.
As I understand collections, they are primarily used for searching. And from the feedback I have gotten, I can display one collection at a time, not all collections simultaneously. I am not interested in selectively culling out items so I can see just what I want. I want to see everything in its place. As someone mentioned earlier, I am looking for function akin to the Favorites tab in MS Explorer. It seems like the most fundamental expectation...a little like expecting water to be wet...but the L4 library doesn't do this simple, logical thing. Granted that L3 doesn't do that either. At least L4 allows me the ability to add the prefix. But as I mentioned, the time involved in doing so is infuriating.
One example of what I am talking about is the NIC OT/NT series. I want this series to be grouped...wait for it...as a SERIES. But in L4 each volume was listed by the name of the individual book of the Bible. Genesis was under the G's, Exodus under the E's, etc. That is absurd. I could have created a collection for this, but it would have still been listed alphabetically, not sequentially. And it would have only been visible when I purposefully chose it, not in the context of my entire library.
That simply isn't satisfactory. And I am stunned that something so logical is absent from Logos software. By adding the prefix C_M> along with a number (Genesis as "01", Exodus as "02", etc.), I now can see all of my volumes in their proper sequential order within the grouping of "multivolume commentaries".
In Windows' Pictures folders, I create slide shows by dragging pictures to the precise location I want them. It doesn't matter what the name of the individual pictures are. Alphabetical order is not imposed over my own judgment and will. I just place them in the order I want them to appear, and when I scroll through the slideshow, that is the order they display. I should be able to do precisely the same thing with my library. Again, to emphasize...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SEARCHING MY LIBRARY, I AM TALKING ABOUT BROWSING MY LIBRARY--VISUALLY, WITH MY EYES. This simple thing should be part of the Library's functionality, but it is not.
Sad.
Nay...pathetic.
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David Paul said:
One example of what I am talking about is the NIC OT/NT series. I want this series to be grouped...wait for it...as a SERIES.
When I sort my library by series, I can browse it by series. It is slightly less effective to sort and browse by author because of discrepancies in the formatting of names.To do what you appear to want, I'd simply create a tag to sort them on to put them in the order I want ... or I suppose if the drag and drop feature was sufficiently important to me, I'd use Favorites to sequence it. Especially with the new (unofficial) add-in the favorites option is practical.
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Hehe...I assume you mean Steve Clark's add-on programs. For whatever reason, they have a conflict with my system which apparently, according to Steve, cannot be resolved. So that option, which I would welcome, is not an option for me. [:'(]
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I searched out this forum because I think I'm looking for my library to do what David is seeking. I am new to Logos with L4 so don't have any experience with L3. I love what Logos does in so many ways, but I'd really like my library to be like, well, a library.
When I go to a library, I'm usually looking for a particular book, but the other books next to it on the shelf may be very helpful (hence LOC/Dewey systems). Searching for a title key word may or may not give me related resources. I'm constantly finding new things in my library that I didn't even know were there.
What I'd love to have is a view option that shows me my library with spines on a shelf organized by LOC number. That way if I'm looking for a particular type of resource, other similar resources are right next to it. I'd also like to make better use of some of the devotional, historical, and practical helps in my library, but the search system is just counter-intuitive, for me at least (and apparently David--there's two of us!). One of my favorite pastimes is perusing a library or bookstore--I'd love to be able to do a little perusing in my library!
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Eric Thompson said:
When I go to a library, I'm usually looking for a particular book, but the other books next to it on the shelf may be very helpful (hence LOC/Dewey systems). Searching for a title key word may or may not give me related resources. I'm constantly finding new things in my library that I didn't even know were there.
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Logos User Voice suggestion => Ability to filter the library by collections has 533 votes (# 6 in list of open suggestions)
=> Add Dewey Classification sort field to Library has 10 votes
# 7 Logos User Voice suggestion => Bring back Topic Search and Fuzzy Search that has a status of planned; personally looking forward to Topic search improvements, hoping for Table of Contents to be consistently searchable. Currently, searching heading text and large text for topics can miss Table of Content entries in a variety of resources.
Personally dreaming of a TOC search field that so can search for word(s) appearing in the Table of Contents in all resources. Alternative is modifying heading text to always include Table of Contents.
Eric Thompson said:What I'd love to have is a view option that shows me my library with spines on a shelf organized by LOC number.
One option for LCC => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Congress_Classification is adding LCC tags, which can be labor intensive.
Eric Thompson said:I'd also like to make better use of some of the devotional, historical, and practical helps in my library
Option: can search library for word(s) that appear in resource metadata, then sort by type for a vertical bookshelf:
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David, I don't know what LOC means but I like the concept of similar resources resources being displayed as it does in a physical library. But isn't that what happens when you do a search in L4 today?
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LOC=Library of Congress Classification system (similar to Dewey).
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Thank you for this list, it is helpful. One question, how did you get a "library" tab in the screenshot above? I can get to collections (of which I have built a few), but I don't know how to get a list such as this.
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Eric Thompson said:
One question, how did you get a "library" tab in the screenshot above?
You "dock" the library from the library menu.
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Eric Thompson said:
One question, how did you get a "library" tab in the screenshot above?
Personally created one layout with two tabs, which fill the Logos Bible Software 4 window. Used close all command so had a blank layout. Tools => Collections, then dragged right edge to fill the screen, followed by right click on Library to open in a new tab, then named the layout to save it. Later dragged layout to shortcut bar, which has become my most used layout (easier to look at many metadata columns).
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