The Longest 20 mins..........

Finally, I've downloaded everything (I hope) after 12 hours. Now the indexing started about an hour ago. I've been watching it countdown....20 mins left. I hope I can use it after this. I'm probably not going to get much sleep. I have class tomorrow and need to finish my exegesis.... The longest 20 mins! Geeked

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TCBlack

John, you can use the program while it's indexing!

You just won't get much love with searching.

Mitch Davis

Hmmmmm, Bob's point of getting Logos out this soon was so that users (including students) could get a head start for the following semester. Did he also envision the potential for students to possibly get lower/bad grades because they were guilty of playing with Logos? [:P]

Frank Sauer

John the estimate can be misleading because certain resources especially interlinears can really throw it off. There was a lot of discussion and concern in adding the estimate by Team Logos because of all the variables. Number of resources, type of resources, processor type, amount of ram, what else is running on your system, etc...

It could go from an hour to a few minutes left to go depending on the resources it has left to go...

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25235#Comment_25235

Don't forget that if you have work to get done, you can still work in V3.

Jerry

John Fugh, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25234#Comment_25234

playing with Logos?

PLAYING? I have just been waiting. LOL

John Fugh, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25237#Comment_25237

Don't forget that if you have work to get done, you can still work in V3.

I have been, thanks. Thanks for all your concerns about my work and grades. I am just about done. Maybe there is something in the indexing and countdown that is waiting for me to finish before it completes......hmmmm....

LOL

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25242#Comment_25242

Well indexing usually does max out the processor, many of us learned to save indexing for overnight or when we would not be using our systems. However it is MUCH improved from the beginning indexing! So if you are working with say V3 and Word, etc. open it could be slowing indexing down a bit...

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25245#Comment_25245

For better or worse, I found on my 1GB machine that the last few moments would drag on forever if I was doing much of anything because the Logos Indexer needed as much memory as I could give it during the last phases of creating the index. The processor demands were not a problem. The MEMORY was. Of course, there are many people who have more memory than my machine.

John Fugh, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25252#Comment_25252

2 mins left. Anticipation is growing.......

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25252#Comment_25252

I was down to 14 minutes and then another 29mg download and then another 6 hr estimated indexing time......... patience patience..

John Fugh, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25264#Comment_25264

Well worth the wait. GREAT JOB Logos. Now, the uncomfortable period that requires me to finish my work and then play when I am done.

Chris Ease

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25281#Comment_25281

Yep, I'm frustrated. Downloading file plus 1.6 gig took 25 minutes. 1.5hr later I still have over 3 hrs of indexing to go. Anyway, I guess 1 gig of ram on a 2002 xp is outdated. Perhaps I can use this software tomorrow. This machine is so bogged down.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25298#Comment_25298

Yep, I'm frustrated. Downloading file plus 1.6 gig took 25 minutes. 1.5hr later I still have over 3 hrs of indexing to go. Anyway, I guess 1 gig of ram on a 2002 xp is outdated. Perhaps I can use this software tomorrow. This machine is so bogged down.

It will be worth it....in the morning :-) Actually I've added a lot to my library today and I've been waiting to do a full index so I am off to bed leaving my computer to fully reindex.

Derek Ennis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25234#Comment_25234

amen

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25448#Comment_25448

Awoke this am, windows updated last night and the indexing is starting over. Apparently there is not way it can start where it left off. This is the third time the indexing has restarted when it was almost complete. Come on, don't you think there can be an interruption and be able to start where it left off for something that takes a day to complete. 24hrs with Logos 4 and still 7 hrs left to finish indexing. Please advise if this is unusual and I need to contact support, or if I just need to get through another day of indexing and hope if finishes.

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25562#Comment_25562

Awoke this am, windows updated last night and the indexing is starting over. Apparently there is not way it can start where it left off. This is the third time the indexing has restarted when it was almost complete. Come on, don't you think there can be an interruption and be able to start where it left off for something that takes a day to complete. 24hrs with Logos 4 and still 7 hrs left to finish indexing. Please advise if this is unusual and I need to contact support, or if I just need to get through another day of indexing and hope if finishes.

John,

I wish that I'd written on the forums how important it was to turn off Windows automatic updates. This happened to me and I raised my concerns loud and clear. In the end, I just had to change my Windows settings to notify me of updates but not to download and install them.

Someone from Logos can hopefully explain why they are unable to just interrupt indexing and have it start again... Apparently it ain't easy.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25565#Comment_25565

Well, the good news is Logos beat my antivirus. Last night right after I started a full re-index Macafee started up. I thought, boy, this should be a good turtle race. That was 11pm. this morning at 7am Mcafee had 15 minutes left.

Donald G. Fisher

I couldn't have dreamed for just 20 minutes, no matter how relative. I started downloading the 7.7 gig at 4 p.m and that finished by 9 p.m. then it indexed overnight. Tried a few things in the morning but work was calling me. I will have to wait until I get home now to try things out. Does anyone know if you order the DVD's, that this process will take a whole lot less time? I just want to be prepared for the next time I may have to do this.

Don

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25572#Comment_25572

Does anyone know if you order the DVD's, that this process will take a whole lot less time?

Yes, nearly all that downloading, as there could be a small component still requiring a download (updates + resources not on DVD).

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25572#Comment_25572

I just want to be prepared for the next time I may have to do this.

Don,

now that you've "first time indexed" it should be a LOT LESS painful in the future...

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25565#Comment_25565

I wish that I'd written on the forums how important it was to turn off Windows automatic updates.

A very good point. L4 uses the same download channel as Windows Update and there can be conflicts requiring a manual registry fix!

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25589#Comment_25589

Don,

In the future if you add resources, Logos will index only those books as a separate "new books" index. You can of course integrate the two at the full cost of a total index, or leave them as two indexes for as long as you wish.

Wes Saad

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25572#Comment_25572

Donald,

It will save time in terms of downloading, not in terms of indexing. In beta testing we suggested Logos bundle a pre-built index with the DVD but there was no word as to whether or not this would be done and I imagine there would be a few reasons why this might not work. So, you will save downloading time but still have the big factor of having to index.

The good news is, as I understand it, you can back up your own resource and index folders so if you have to reinstall you do not have to go through everything again.

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25562#Comment_25562

Awoke this am, windows updated last night and the indexing is starting over. Apparently there is not way it can start where it left off. This is the third time the indexing has restarted when it was almost complete. Come on, don't you think there can be an interruption and be able to start where it left off for something that takes a day to complete. 24hrs with Logos 4 and still 7 hrs left to finish indexing. Please advise if this is unusual and I need to contact support, or if I just need to get through another day of indexing and hope if finishes.

Hi John, Angst is my choice of words regarding getting accustomed to indexing with L4. What I have learned is to do nothing else on my computer while it is indexing, it goes faster. I made the mistake of turning off my computer and so had to begin indexing all over again. Pausing is acceptable. When downloading updates, the computer will pick up where it has left off. I mentioned this scenario and was told that they are working to "optimize" indexing so that it will behave more like Microsoft desktop search, where it can index in the background, turn things on and off and it doesn't adversely impact indexing.

Once I got past a few cycles of indexing, I actually didn't mind it because I saw the entirety of L4 and realized it was a tradeoff for making things easier for the user. The way L4 runs is a huge change from L3 and it took some attitude adjusting on my part.[A]

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25688#Comment_25688

In beta testing we suggested Logos bundle a pre-built index with the DVD but there was no word as to whether or not this would be done and I imagine there would be a few reasons why this might not work.

Funny, I thought I recalled some assurance from Bradley that they were in fact going to do this?

I hope that they do, or as soon as the disks start arriving we'll have a whole new flurry of indexing posts.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25740#Comment_25740

this might seem weird but I've stopped and restarted and didn't have to begin reindex over again...at least I thought..

George Allakhverdyan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25562#Comment_25562

Awoke this am, windows updated last night and the indexing is starting over. Apparently there is not way it can start where it left off. This is the third time the indexing has restarted when it was almost complete. Come on, don't you think there can be an interruption and be able to start where it left off for something that takes a day to complete. 24hrs with Logos 4 and still 7 hrs left to finish indexing. Please advise if this is unusual and I need to contact support, or if I just need to get through another day of indexing and hope if finishes.

The devs are working really hard on optimizing this issue. To pick up where it left off, it would need to dump all that memory into a file upon closing and reload it next time, and that would take a long time too. We have been able to confirm though that with multi-core processors and more ram (2GB+) it is much more efficient, and working at night where it can have the full CPU usage definitely helps. I know it's hard but please be patient and like Damien mentioned, turning windows update to notify you instead of automatically install (and provoke unwanted restarts) would be the best solution at the moment.

Donald G. Fisher

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25852#Comment_25852

Thanks to all who replied. I did chat with Logos and they said that a DVD would not help considerably since only the 4.0 engine is included and that all of my resources have to be downloaded from the main website. I have about 1300 books/journals so my understanding is that the more you have, the longer it takes. I have been using Libronix/Logos for 10 years or more and have been very satisfied with their support and continuous upgrading and enhancing of their product. I look forward to getting accustomed to 4.0 and many more years of Bible study and occasional sermon prep.

Don

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25740#Comment_25740

Funny, I thought I recalled some assurance from Bradley that they were in fact going to do this?

I hope that they do, or as soon as the disks start arriving we'll have a whole new flurry of indexing posts.

Yes, we were told this a number of times. I wonder what happened to that?

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/25740#Comment_25740

In beta testing we suggested Logos bundle a pre-built index with the DVD but there was no word as to whether or not this would be done and I imagine there would be a few reasons why this might not work.
Funny, I thought I recalled some assurance from Bradley that they were in fact going to do this?
I hope that they do, or as soon as the disks start arriving we'll have a whole new flurry of indexing posts.

We ran out of time to develop and test the pre-built index feature for the 4.0 release. (If the beta testers could have just been completely satisfied with Beta 1, we would have had so much spare time! [:)]) And as it turned out, we put so much content in the new LE packages that there is only 50MB free on the Logos 4 DVD--not really enough space for a pre-built index file. (The size of the resource files turned out to be a lot larger than we had initially anticipated, especially compared to the 3.0 package sizes.)

All DVD purchasers will need to build an index after installing. However, even if we had shipped a pre-built index, they would most likely have had to build one anyway, since everyone's upgrading from a slightly different library.