Apple policy forces iFlow ebook app to shut down
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Well, my iPad 1 is my only Apple purchase, and I was expecting to maybe buy an iPhone 4 or 5 later this year. Now I'm concerned that even Logos on iPad might be at risk. Not that Apple is looking here in this forum, but if they mess up eBooks, they wont get much more money from me. For that matter, I would spend less with Logos if I can't read them on my iPad. Voting with my Credit Card!!!
Apologies: crystal ball cloudy; not know about future of non-Apple and non-Google e-book apps (on iOS and Android) after July 1. If Apple evicts non-Apple e-book apps from their App Store (e.g. Kindle, Kobo, Nook, ...), would leave Apple with the only e-book app that can be used offline on iOS devices, which may be good for Apple's e-book store profits, but bad news for Apple's consumers. If Apple profit increases by being the primary (only) e-book agent on iOS devices, anticipate Google doing the same thing on Android (possibly including remote deletion of non-Google e-book apps, like Google has already done to malware Android apps).
For business $ profit, Amazon (Kindle), Barnes & Noble (Nook), Borders (Kobo), and Sony (Digital Reader) have same primary e-book agent motive for their respective devices as Apple (iOS) and Google (Android). Wonder about Microsoft's e-book agent plans for Windows Phone 7.
Hindsight 20/20: appears Apple waited for competitive e-book devices to flourish worldwide before changing app guidelines (avoids some anti-trust issues).
Personally hoping and praying for Logos Bible Software apps on iOS and Android devices, with feature improvement beyond e-book readers.
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Apologies: crystal ball cloudy; not know about future of non-Apple and non-Google e-book apps (on iOS and Android) after July 1. If Apple evicts non-Apple e-book apps from their App Store (e.g. Kindle, Kobo, Nook, ...), would leave Apple with the only e-book app that can be used offline on iOS devices, which may be good for Apple's e-book store profits, but bad news for Apple's consumers. If Apple profit increases by being the primary (only) e-book agent on iOS devices, anticipate Google doing the same thing on Android (possibly including remote deletion of non-Google e-book apps, like Google has already done to malware Android apps).
For business $ profit, Amazon (Kindle), Barnes & Noble (Nook), Borders (Kobo), and Sony (Digital Reader) have same primary e-book agent motive for their respective devices as Apple (iOS) and Google (Android). Wonder about Microsoft's e-book agent plans for Windows Phone 7.
Apple has sold 200 million iOS devices with Apple's iBookstore recording more than 130 million downloads => http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/11/06/06/mac.app.store.already.main.venue.for.software/
Wonder how many iOS device users are reading books and not using Apple's iBookstore ? In contrast, 15 billion songs have sold thru iTunes.
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KS4J -
I know that at least 10 of those 130 million downloads are the free books I downloaded. Did you download any of the free books as well? I will admit, the App UI and the resources typography are superior in my opinion to noon & kindle.
I believe the vast majority of iPad users have purchased an equal or greater amount of books through the nook & kindle readers. The iBookstore is a distant third.
To be fair, 15 billion song downloads is not a fair comparison with iBooks. First, iTunes has been around much longer. Second, it would be more fair to compare album sales to book sales. You can't download individual chapters for .99!
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KS4J -
I know that at least 10 of those 130 million downloads are the free books I downloaded. Did you download any of the free books as well? I will admit, the App UI and the resources typography are superior in my opinion to noon & kindle.
I believe the vast majority of iPad users have purchased an equal or greater amount of books through the nook & kindle readers. The iBookstore is a distant third.
To be fair, 15 billion song downloads is not a fair comparison with iBooks. First, iTunes has been around much longer. Second, it would be more fair to compare album sales to book sales. You can't download individual chapters for .99!
Personally have downloaded couple dozen free books (including some from Apple). Also have noticed Apple's bookstore lacks many titles available on Kindle and Nook (e.g. "10 Life Choices").
Concur comparing books to albums would be more appropriate. Average number of songs sold per iOS device is 75 (several albums). In contrast, volume of book downloads is significantly smaller (average is under 1 book per device). Wonder about number of iOS devices without any books downloaded from Apple.
The free iOS 5 upgrade this fall has many new features => http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/ Newstand is part of highlights (but noted books missing).
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The Financial Times is ending/killing its IPad app rather than paying Apple 30%:
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/07/financial-times-wont-give-apple-a-cut-drops-ios-for-web-app/
It will be interesting to see what other content providers say no. . .(good for them).
Perhaps Logos' effort to develop biblia.com is the right direction to go. With html5's offline storage capabilities, the "app" can just bring out an instance of the browser and run everything there. This way it is not controlled by Apple or Google, and is one app for all platforms.
Hmmm. Every time I sell myself on the idea of getting an iPad another big negative sways me not to.
Will this development have any effect for Logos on iPad?
So, how is the Logos Android app coming along? [:D]
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
If Apple goes through with this, there will be a lot of used iPads on eBay on July 1st!
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Remote desktop connection apps on iPad may become quite useful.
Reading https://www.iflowreader.com/Closing.aspx was informative about publisher agency model. Noticed business model is bit different than Logos.
Thankful for "Bible +" iOS update by Logos Bible Software; not know what to expect soon (e.g. July 1st).
Couple threads have older observations and speculations => If in app purchasing added to iOS app, wonder about Logos resource licensing change ? and No more access to purchased content
Reading about Google's in-app billing (IAB) for Android => http://mashable.com/2011/04/20/android-in-app-purchasing/ noticed: "Don’t grumble about the fees that Google or Apple will
take from the transaction. These markets offer distribution to an
enormous audience, and is well worth the 30% revenue share"
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And I thought that the 3% that the credit cards collect on every transaction was high. 1/3 of the final sellers markup maybe but 1/3 of the price?? [Or have they killed the goose that lays the golden eggs?] [What is next? if you use ''them'' to go to a web site to buy anything do they want a cut of that sale too?]
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Please RE READ ALL POST IN THIS THREAD – did I miss something – from what I THINK I see in this thread is that BOTH Apple (ipad & iphone) and Google (Android) want to COLLECT 30% on each Ebook sale for any APP running on their operating systems. Will there be any E-readers on them after July 1?? [Have they killed the goose that lays the golden eggs or do they just want all of the action for themselves?] [Will they see Logos as an E-reader?? And if they do will they NOT allow Logos on the phones because Logos sells books for PC / MAC that might also be read on the phones?] [Are they trying to get back to the pay for use on every system you read the book on? [one license for each cpu you use it on and not the Logos plan of one license per user and use it on all of the cpu’s you own] [where one cpu is one computer or one phone or one other device]]
will not stop your app from working, just that it won't be
upgraded....
Pastor Kelly
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If Apple pulls it from the store, you are just one reset or system upgrade away from losing the app forever.
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And I was getting all set to order an iPad. This reminded me of Apple's pulling the Manhatten Declaration app and the Exodus app. There is a totalitarian control that seems intrinsic to Apple that really bothers me. The primary reason I would hold my nose and buy an iPad is Logos 4. I think I'll wait a bit and see how the Android app comes along.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
I think it is just a matter of time before the Justice Department Anti-Trust division comes down hard and buries Apple on this. If the folks at Cupertino think that they have more resources and hope than Redmond, they are kidding themselves.
I would not be surprised if a few years from now a settlement is made that requires Apple to sync Androids with iTunes and carry Android apps in the App Store.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
Windows 10 64-bit; Logos 7.1 SR-2 (Reformed Platinum)