Tablets: Apple or Android?
Operating upon the premise that a Logos Android app will be out in the not-too-distant future and that the Logos Apple app is still functioning after June 30, what are pros and cons to consider when thinking about tablet operating systems and the various hardware offerings?
I primarily want a tablet that will run Logos as well as a tablet may, understanding my main Logos work will be on my Lenovo ThinkPad. I guess that a tablet for me will be primarily a handy e-reader, providing access to Logos books in a more reader-friendly environment than my notebook computer.
With that in mind, I'm leaning towards a refurbished 32GB iPad. At $429 it is $170 less than an iPad 2. However, the Asus Transformer looks interesting, but I wonder if Android will run as steady, relatively bug-free, as iOS seems to run.
Any thoughts? I'm looking to buy within a couple of months.
Thanks.
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I have used an iPad (my main portable Bible study tool) and an Archos 7o Internet tablet and I think the iPad has a far superior feel. The Android OS to me just feels unpolished and ill suited for touch input. I would like to try this on a higher end Android tablet but that is my experience. Based on that I would recommend iPad.
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As a consultant who guides his clients in selecting the best technology for their needs, I would strongly recommend the iPad... Unless you are very interested in creating a customized experience for yourself on your tablet. Then, Android is a better choice.
Apple do a very good job of vetting applications, protecting users from malware and related nastiness. They aren't perfect, but they are far better than Google, who is seeing a very significant malware threat in the Android markets with a customer base that is much more interested in free apps than paid ones (97% of downloaded apps are free!) which from a business perspective means hat high-quality developers are not going to find it as profitable as Apple's iOS app store.
They are both solid offerings, although the iPad is significantly more mature as a touch system, so you will need to realize that you are stepping into the bleeding edge if you choose an Android tablet. You may like that. If not, stick with Apple.
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Robert Mullen said:
I have used an iPad (my main
portable Bible study tool) and an Archos 7o Internet tablet and I think
the iPad has a far superior feel. The Android OS to me just feels
unpolished and ill suited for touch input. I would like to try this on a
higher end Android tablet but that is my experience. Based on that I
would recommend iPad.Thanks, Robert. That makes sense. I appreciate your insight.
Steve Hultquist said:As a consultant who guides his clients in selecting the best technology for their needs, I would strongly recommend the iPad... Unless you are very interested in creating a customized experience for yourself on your tablet. Then, Android is a better choice.
Apple do a very good job of vetting applications, protecting users from malware and related nastiness. They aren't perfect, but they are far better than Google, who is seeing a very significant malware threat in the Android markets with a customer base that is much more interested in free apps than paid ones (97% of downloaded apps are free!) which from a business perspective means hat high-quality developers are not going to find it as profitable as Apple's iOS app store.
They are both solid offerings, although the iPad is significantly more mature as a touch system, so you will need to realize that you are stepping into the bleeding edge if you choose an Android tablet. You may like that. If not, stick with Apple.
That confirms some of what I've been thinking, Steve. I am certainly not interested "in creating a customized experience" for myself on a tablet. I've got too much to do. [:)] I just need for it to work, and at least the iPad has been well tested.
So is an iPad 2, in your opinion, worth $170 more than a refurbished 1st-generation iPad for typical usage, particularly utilizing the Logos iPad app?
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Bill Moore said:
So is an iPad 2, in your opinion, worth $170 more than a refurbished 1st-generation iPad for typical usage, particularly utilizing the Logos iPad app?
In my uneducated opinion, no it is not. I have a first-gen ipad and Logos works great on it. There's nothing in the 2nd-gen that would lend itself to a better Logos experience as far as I can tell. My ipad has enough processing power for the Logos app (and pretty much any other app I've run on it). The main differences between the two devices from what I've heard are:
1) Front-facing camera (useful if you want to do Facetime chats or Skype video calls - I don't really use this feature on my laptop and can't see myself needing it on a tablet)
2) Better screen (useful if you're using high-end graphic apps I suppose. I don't go around showing off photos that need that extra hi-def and I think the photos look great on the ipad I have. You probably won't see ANY difference in the Logos app here)
3) Higher processor. (As I stated above, this is a non-issue for me. The first-gen runs apps just fine)
4) ability to use smart covers (this is a 'cool' feature, but nothing more. No impact on Logos or other apps)
Maybe I'm missing something, but these are the things I've heard about that are different. I'd rather think of this ipad as ipad 1.5, not ipad 2. But I'm not in the marketing department at Apple either.
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Steve Hultquist said:
As a consultant who guides his clients in selecting the best technology for their needs, I would strongly recommend the iPad... Unless you are very interested in creating a customized experience for yourself on your tablet. Then, Android is a better choice.
Apple do a very good job of vetting applications, protecting users from malware and related nastiness. They aren't perfect, but they are far better than Google, who is seeing a very significant malware threat in the Android markets with a customer base that is much more interested in free apps than paid ones (97% of downloaded apps are free!) which from a business perspective means hat high-quality developers are not going to find it as profitable as Apple's iOS app store.
They are both solid offerings, although the iPad is significantly more mature as a touch system, so you will need to realize that you are stepping into the bleeding edge if you choose an Android tablet. You may like that. If not, stick with Apple.
As a newbie android user I found that to be a very good summarization.
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+1 for iPad (but wait)
There is a little bit of uncertainty about the iPad's future with eBooks. Apple is playing hardball with Google & Amazon. Apple's view is that it is bringing millions of customers to Amazon (for example) through its platform & app store. Their view is that eBooks must be available to be purchased "in app," thus giving Apple a 30% cut. Some of this sounds fair & true. There is no doubt that there is a cost to Apple (through hosting the app store) and a benefit to Amazon. What is not known is what happens to other companies such as Logos. This is supposed to fall out by July. Hopefully we will know more then. Personally, I am a mac fan and have an original iPad. I love it. I hope this comes to a good resolution.
As for android, it is fragmented. One of the reasons mac lovers love macs is that there is one company, building a limited number of varieties of computers, along with the OS. Before I "switched" eight years ago, I struggled with PC's over driver issues. Since Apple makes the OS and configures the hardware, it is able to make everything "just work." PC's can't say the same. The same is true with Android.
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Steve Hultquist said:
As a consultant who guides his clients in selecting the best technology for their needs, I would strongly recommend the iPad... Unless you are very interested in creating a customized experience for yourself on your tablet. Then, Android is a better choice.
Apple do a very good job of vetting applications, protecting users from malware and related nastiness. They aren't perfect, but they are far better than Google, who is seeing a very significant malware threat in the Android markets with a customer base that is much more interested in free apps than paid ones (97% of downloaded apps are free!) which from a business perspective means hat high-quality developers are not going to find it as profitable as Apple's iOS app store.
They are both solid offerings, although the iPad is significantly more mature as a touch system, so you will need to realize that you are stepping into the bleeding edge if you choose an Android tablet. You may like that. If not, stick with Apple.
I agree with Mr. Hultquist up to a point. If you are the kind of user who feels comfortable with stuff like rooting,updating firmware and overclocking to really exploit the hidden capabilities of your device then the Android platform is the way to go. I have a rooted Nook Color with the Gingerbread Android OS burned in it and I have to tell you for $250 it blows the Ipad away!. Also the Android tablet market is exploding and pretty soon you will have tablets as powerful as the Ipad for about $100. Just today Engadget had an article about the explosion of tablets comming to Computex. With the I pad you are limited to just one source, and competition is non existent. With Android the posibilities are endles.
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Good thread, I have been thinking about this comparison too!
Two questions if I may:
1. Is the Android feedback posted here based on version 3.0 of their OS? I hear that's built ground up for tablets, not sure if it's even out yet or these comments apply to it. If not, what do you know about version 3.0 in comparison?
2. In addition to the needs expressed above, I see getting a tab let when I get rid of most or all of my paper subscriptions - newspaper (US A Today, Wash. Post for example), popular magazines (Economist as an example), sports periodicals (Sporting News or Sports Illustrated), and then some smaller faith-type publications. Is iPad way ahead on this, do you expect Android and iPad to match in capability here, what do you think?
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Dominick Sela said:
2. In addition to the needs expressed above, I see getting a tab let when I get rid of most or all of my paper subscriptions - newspaper (US A Today, Wash. Post for example), popular magazines (Economist as an example), sports periodicals (Sporting News or Sports Illustrated), and then some smaller faith-type publications. Is iPad way ahead on this, do you expect Android and iPad to match in capability here, what do you think?
I don't know about Android's capabilities on this, but the ipad has made good strides in this area. For newspapers, there are apps for some specific newspapers (USA Today has a beautiful app), although many people don't like paying for news anymore. That's why RSS readers have become so popular. On my iPad, I use the Daily Edition app, which has a newspaper feel to it, but pulls in feeds from as many sources as I want. (I have dozens of sources coming to me on a daily basis). I know Android has RSS reader apps, but I doubt they are as visually appealing as iPad ones.
As for magazines, check out Zinio.com. They offer quite a few magazine subscriptions, and their iPad app allows you to read them on the tablet. I only subscribe to National Geographic, but am really impressed with the results. Not only do I get the beatiful pictures that NatGeo is known for (and in digitized format), but they also have interactive content (such as short video clips and touchable pictures) that a print copy could not possibly reproduce. Zinio may have an Android app, but I'm not sure
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Rev Chris said:Bill Moore said:
So is an iPad 2, in your opinion, worth $170 more than a refurbished 1st-generation iPad for typical usage, particularly utilizing the Logos iPad app?
2) Better screen (useful if you're using high-end graphic apps I suppose. I don't go around showing off photos that need that extra hi-def and I think the photos look great on the ipad I have. You probably won't see ANY difference in the Logos app here)
Note that the 'better screen' on the iPad 2 has more to do with color brightness/clarity than text clarity. It is the same resolution (pixels) as the previous screen (1024x768 at 9.7"), so text will not look crisper. Unlike the text on the iPod Touch or iPhone 4, which have higher resolution screens (960x640 at 3.5").
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Dom,
The droid tablet has gazillions of good apps, and there are many good magazines and newspapers available for it.
Personally, I use USA today....it's really a nice app for the tablet....
Here is a screen shot taken moments ago from my transformer screen...I then sent it to my "dropbox" where it appeared on my laptop less than 30 seconds later...and now its' in this post.
Robert Pavich
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PS: the Zinio (magazine reader) app for Android is really nice....!
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I just received my iPad2 last week and so far I am very happy with it. I specifically waited for the 2nd generation for 2 reasons: 1) I never buy first generation anything, and 2) I knew that I needed the ability to skype. My brother in law has a 1st gen iPad and as we have compared notes it is obvious that the iPad2 is faster especially if you plan to do much multitasking. Having two processors compared to one just makes sense to me.
Also, as to graphics ability I know that many app developers waited for the iPad2 before releasing updates to graphically intense apps because they knew the 2 could handle them better.
Now, as to Android vs. iOs. I have been using an Android smartphone since October (Samsung Epic 4G) and I have thoroughly enjoyed it. Obviously we can't compare Logos on Android to iPad because there is still no app for Android
. However, if you plan to do anything else with the device, my opinion is that iPad apps are FAR superior to Android apps. A note though is that I find myself paying for more apps on the iPad than I ever paid for on Android. I wanted powerful apps to handle data management, pdf editing, and note taking (NoteTaker HD is AWESOME!). At first I was frustrated with the iPad because of the learning curve coming from a Windows and Android background especially because Androind devices can be used as external USB storage very easily. With the right apps (fileapp pro and Documents to Go) ipad can do this as well it's just not as simple.
You may think you're getting a device to just run Logos but I guarantee that once you start using it you will want it to do much more. My advice is that the iPad2 is worth the money unless you're willing to wait until iPad 3 comes out (probably this fall) at which time the iPad2 will be discounted to clear inventory just like the first gen was a few months ago.
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alabama24 said:
This is just hype.....Not only have I never HEARD of anyone getting a virus on any of the android forums that I frequent....I've never had one, nor have I ever had one on Windows in 20 years of using windows...without anti virus....
Yes...it's possible, but not at all a probability.
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Read it and weap:
http://www.fastcompany.com/1680011/android-gets-its-first-ever-virus-youre-a-mandroid-my-son
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1362676/Android-hit-rogue-app-viruses.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2011/06/06/more-android-malware-uncovered/
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Robert Pavich said:
nor have I ever had one on Windows in 20 years of using windows...without anti virus....
Visit Best Buy, stand in line for the Geek Squad, and listen to the conversations. Millions of dollars are wasted on virus removal from windows every year. If you are 1) tech savvy, 2) don't experiment much [you stick with web sites and programs you know], and 3) you don't read emails from friends - then yes, virsus on windows can be rare. Unfortunatly this is not true for most people.
Google is not as conservative as apple in protecting people from bad apps.
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alabama24 said:Robert Pavich said:
nor have I ever had one on Windows in 20 years of using windows...without anti virus....
Visit Best Buy, stand in line for the Geek Squad, and listen to the conversations. Millions of dollars are wasted on virus removal from windows every year. If you are 1) tech savvy, 2) don't experiment much [you stick with web sites and programs you know], and 3) you don't read emails from friends - then yes, virsus on windows can be rare. Unfortunatly this is not true for most people.
Google is not as conservative as apple in protecting people from bad apps.
Well..that describes me...I guess I'm unusual. [:D]
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alabama24 said:
Lets weep together then:
http://www.appletablet.net/ipad-virus/
http://www.destructoid.com/warning-ipad-users-falling-prey-to-virus-attacks-172050.phtml
http://blogs.computerworld.com/15876/apple_ipad_bugs
http://www.theipadguide.com/content/top-10-ipad-2-bugs-problems-and-complaints/7177401
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My friend -
I will weep with you... but not for my iPad. Your first article: "Last night, we received an unconfirmed report from a user who appears to have the first iPad virus." This was from the first week of the original iPad. I'm still waiting for it to be confirmed. Your second article: "The software works through Windows as opposed to the iPad itself, meaning Mac users are unaffected." The "virus" is for windows users, who download software on their PC's. The iPad & Mac are unaffected. The last two articles talk about "bugs" like "long lines waiting to purchase one."
Sorry.
[Edit - I don't mean to be argumentative. People will choose to prefer one format over another for personal reasons. I enjoy the safety and security of the iPad. This comes with a trade off, namely Apple is controlling over the apps allowed in the App Store. This control is one of the reasons the security of the system. It also means that there will be some programs will not be available to iPad users. I understand that limitation and am ok with it.]
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alabama24 said:
+1 for iPad (but wait)
There is a little bit of uncertainty about the iPad's future with eBooks. Apple is playing hardball with Google & Amazon. Apple's view is that it is bringing millions of customers to Amazon (for example) through its platform & app store. Their view is that eBooks must be available to be purchased "in app," thus giving Apple a 30% cut. Some of this sounds fair & true. There is no doubt that there is a cost to Apple (through hosting the app store) and a benefit to Amazon. What is not known is what happens to other companies such as Logos. This is supposed to fall out by July. Hopefully we will know more then. Personally, I am a mac fan and have an original iPad. I love it. I hope this comes to a good resolution.
As for android, it is fragmented. One of the reasons mac lovers love macs is that there is one company, building a limited number of varieties of computers, along with the OS. Before I "switched" eight years ago, I struggled with PC's over driver issues. Since Apple makes the OS and configures the hardware, it is able to make everything "just work." PC's can't say the same. The same is true with Android.
So are you saying that in the future we might not be able to use Logos 4 in the iPad? The reason I'm planning on getting one in the future is to have access to my library without having to carry my laptop, also to be able to read my L4 books without the need of my laptop. I'm not a big fan of Nook or Kindle since I don't read novels and stuff like that; I'd rather have the iPad or a Droid tablet that will allow me to have access to my L4 library and other things online -- also access to my sermon outline and verses, as I'm planning to use that in the pulpit.
So please, don't tell me we won't be able to read our Logos 4 books in the future with the iPad, if not I guess I'll have to go with Droid and hope that the Droid app gets released sometime soon.
Thanks!
Douglas
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
So are you saying that in the future we might not be able to use Logos 4 in the iPad?
So please, don't tell me we won't be able to read our Logos 4 books in the future with the iPad, if not I guess I'll have to go with Droid and hope that the Droid app gets released sometime soon.
As you can tell from this thread, I am an Apple fan. The reason I jumped into this DB was to caution the first poster about buying an iPad until this issue is resolved. The short answer is "yes, the logos app may not be available in the near future." Apple may push out all ebook readers which do not allow for "in app" purchases. These purchases must be equivalent (or cheaper) than web based purchases. If Apple enforces this policy on Logos, then Logos will have to either eat a 30% cut from resource sales or pull the app. I can't believe they would do the former, so they would be left with the later. If I remember correctly, this should fall out by July. I would not recommend anyone purchase an iPad FOR THE PURPOSE OF USING LOGOS until this is resolved.
I hope that this will be resolved in a good way. Only time will tell.
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alabama24 said:
I hope that this will be resolved in a good way. Only time will tell.
Me too...it would be a shame to see this go south....
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Alabama24,
Alright, let's say someone has an iPad that runs the Logos 4 app right now, will they still be able to use it even if Apple decides they won't include it in their future iPads or removing the app will apply to all iPad generations and even the iPad Touch and iPhone? Am I making sense?
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Short answer - don't know. In all likelihood, if you have the app already, you will still be able to use it, but it will not be updated. If your computer crashes, you will potentially lose the app. Again, this is the "worst case scenario." As much as I am a Apple fan boy (I am following the WWDC online as I type this), I would not want someone to buy an iPad with this expectation until this issue is resolved (hopefully by this summer).
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Robert Pavich said:
This is just hype.....Not only have I never HEARD of anyone getting a virus on any of the android forums that I frequent....I've never had one, nor have I ever had one on Windows in 20 years of using windows...without anti virus....
Yes...it's possible, but not at all a probability.
You're joking, right? I used Windows computers from 3.1 to Vista, and just made my switch to Mac about 2 years ago. For the 20 years or so of using Windows, I had countless viruses. I haven't had a one on my mac. I always had up-to-date antivirus software on my Windows machines - and they never could keep up it seemed. I have no antivirus software on my mac. To say it's not probable to get a virus on a Windows machine is just plain silly.
Android is, well, a completely different animal ... sort of. It's not a Microsoft product, so I don't think you can compare it to Windows in any way. But, the main difference between Apple and Microsoft (closed vs open platforms) does seem to be the main difference between iOS and Android. I've always heard of 2 main reasons to stay with Microsoft over Apple: 1) cost; 2) more software. The second reason was always more important in my book as I'd rather pay a little more for something that is more reliable, and the software issue became less important as more developers got behind the OSX platform. Now Google seems to be playing the same card, but the difference this time is that Apple has the head start and developers are already putting their resources intos iOS over Android. Now Apple has the reliability and software-availability advantages and Google is simply going on cost. IMO, it's worth the extra $100 or so for the competive advantages iOS offers.
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alabama24 said:
If I remember correctly, this should fall out by July. I would not recommend anyone purchase an iPad FOR THE PURPOSE OF USING LOGOS until this is resolved.
I hope that this will be resolved in a good way. Only time will tell.
I agree with this recommendation. I also would tell people to hold off for a couple of weeks to see how this shakes out. Not sure what Apple's return policy is on iPads, but if it's a 30-day policy then it might be worth it to buy now if you can return it later.
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Business Insider had a recent article comparing an Android tablet and iPad => http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-happens-in-households-with-both-an-ipad-and-an-android-tablet-2011-5 (similar experience posted earlier in this thread)
plus a Nook Color review => http://www.businessinsider.com/nook-color-android-update-review-2011-4
For iPad weeping, some other articles could have been linked:
http://hottipscentral.com/iphone-and-ipad-virus-spreading-throughout-the-web/ (specifically mentions jailbroken devices)
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2712575?start=0&tstart=0 (clearing Safari stuff and changing browser settings could be wise)
After many parents had surprising iTunes account statements from their children buying in-app purchases:
Spooky Mac OS and Linux malware development => http://www.businesssecurityinformation.com/2011/05/mac-defense-alert/
May be another tablet to consider in future => http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsofts-Windows-8-Could-Challenge-Google-Android-in-Tablets-675079/
The iPhone/iPad forum has a related thread => Apple policy forces iFlow ebook app to shut down (with links to couple older threads) that includes:
Apologies: crystal ball cloudy; not know about future of non-Apple and non-Google e-book apps (on iOS and Android) after July 1. If Apple evicts non-Apple e-book apps from their App Store (e.g. Kindle, Kobo, Nook, ...), would leave Apple with the only e-book app that can be used offline on iOS devices, which may be good for Apple's e-book store profits, but bad news for Apple's consumers. If Apple profit increases by being the primary (only) e-book agent on iOS devices, anticipate Google doing the same thing on Android (possibly including remote deletion of non-Google e-book apps, like Google has already done to malware Android apps).
For business $ profit, Amazon (Kindle), Barnes & Noble (Nook), Borders (Kobo), and Sony (Digital Reader) have same primary e-book agent motive for their respective devices as Apple (iOS) and Google (Android). Wonder about Microsoft's e-book agent plans for Windows Phone 7.
Personally hoping and praying for Logos applications on iOS devices and Android. Thankful for iPad offline capabilities in Bible + by Logos.
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Rev Chris said:
You're joking, right?
Actually, no I'm not joking.
I'm on the android forums every day and never once heard of anyone getting a virus....have you? How many android users have you known who've had virus'?
I understand the point, and I agree with it....but blanket statements like "if you have windows you are going to be riddled with virus' are just not true...they are blanket generalities and nothing more....
As i said...I might be weird...i've never had a virus...never used virus software, don't run any on my android phones....
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KS4J -
Thanks for all your help on the Logos forums. I know that you try to be fair - I appreciate that about you. I don't think these articles help the other side. Let me give a "play by play" of the articles you linked to:
1. this article was about jail-broken iPad/iPhones. those don't count - they are not being used the way they were intended. Someone crying about their jailbroken iPhone getting a virus is like someone suing the deadbolt company when they left their front door open.
2. this article is also not about a virus: the one who reported the virus concluded: "Just an update about my wife's iPad. I removed the app and that seemed to solve the problem but carried out a restore anyway as suggested. Everything back to normal now and she is happy again. Must just have been an app glitch!"
3. this article was about internet fraud - not an iPad virus or vulnerability.
4. in app purchases were a real problem for parents. I am glad my son did not buy anything! this seems to have been taken care of. (why would anyone really want to purchase 'smurfberries'?)
5. MacDefender is a real, but (so far) minor nuisance. It does NOT affect the iPad.
6. if someone is waiting for a windows 8 tablet, they will be waiting a while: "Windows 8 is actually an internal Microsoft code-name for the project. Its final moniker might change by the time of its rumored release date in late 2012" Balmer guaranteed that Win 8 would be released in 2012, but MSFT backtracked on that the next day.
Like you, I am prayerful that Logos is able to continue developing apps for all of these platforms. Logos is a blessing.
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The main advantage to the iPad 2 that I see is the video mirrioring. The iPad 2 will display what ever is on the screen to an external source (TV/Projector). The orignal ipad only had specific applications that would output video.
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Rev Chris said:alabama24 said:
If I remember correctly, this should fall out by July. I would not recommend anyone purchase an iPad FOR THE PURPOSE OF USING LOGOS until this is resolved.
I hope that this will be resolved in a good way. Only time will tell.
I agree with this recommendation. I also would tell people to hold off for a couple of weeks to see how this shakes out. Not sure what Apple's return policy is on iPads, but if it's a 30-day policy then it might be worth it to buy now if you can return it later.
Or, buy the iPad 2 now and enjoy using the Logos app and then sell the iPad 2 if Logos is forced to pull the app off the market in July. When I sold my first iPad after 3 months I got almost the same amount that I paid for it. iPads hold their value better than anything.
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Robert Pavich said:
As i said...I might be weird...i've never had a virus....
Robert -
You are not weird, just probably more savvy than the average user. My wife's extended family ([Great] Aunts, [Great] Uncles, Grandparents, etc.) have an email distribution list. We receive about 20-40 emails a day from them. Frequently, one sister or brother is apologizing to the bunch because their computer has been effected. Sometimes the virus has been spread through the emails themselves.
As for Android - I agree with you that it is not "virus riddled." My point is that Apple's restrictive policies help to maintain the safety of iOS for its users. Adobe's Flash, for example, has been the source of many vulnerabilities. Adobe just announced a new one today. See link below.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/06/06/adobe.issues.new.warning.and.patch.for.flash.103/
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alabama24 said:
My point is that Apple's restrictive policies help to maintain the safety of iOS for its users.
That I understand and know that it's an effective move on Apple's part... (obviously.) I don't at all disagree with what's been said on this thread...the fact is that the philosophy behind each platform are polar opposites....and the finished product reflects that....I just get riled up over blanket statements that's all.... [:D]
If I had a dollar for each time I've heard "Mac's don't crash...windows boxes crash constantly"....I'd be rich..but my personal experience is that in college using a mac...I had several crashes a week....while my win boxes just don't crash very often...so I understand the reality of the situation but they are frequently verbalized in the most extreme way...when reality is a little closer to the middle.... that's all.
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Robert Pavich said:
I'm on the android forums every day and never once heard of anyone getting a virus....have you? How many android users have you known who've had virus'?
I haven't heard of anyone getting an Android virus other than the occasional news report. My point was that Windows and Android aren't comparable - Windows users definitely get viruses. I've gotten plenty and just about everyone I know who has been a Windows user has gotten them. Android - no. Windows, yes.
Robert Pavich said:I understand the point, and I agree with it....but blanket statements like "if you have windows you are going to be riddled with virus' are just not true...they are blanket generalities and nothing more....
As i said...I might be weird...i've never had a virus...never used virus software, don't run any on my android phones....
I don't think it's fair to just dismiss Windows viruses as "blanket generalities". There's a reason PC's ship with a free month of anti-virus software - sometimes a free year. There's a reason Norton and McAfee are still in business after so long.
I wouldn't be surprised to see more of a market for anti-virus software on our phones/tablets in the future. Right now they're pretty safe regardless of what OS you're running. My Android phone has its share of bugs (but I've also rooted it, so I'm partly to blame), but no sign of viruses.
My point, though, was less about viruses and more about what's the better OS for tablets right now. And right now, IMO, Apple is leading the way. I look forward to Logos 4 Android so I can have it on my phone, and I am certainly wary of the July 1 deadline for my iPad, but right now I still favor iOS over Android. To each their own...
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Rev Chris said:
My point, though, was less about viruses and more about what's the better OS for tablets right now. And right now, IMO, Apple is leading the way. I look forward to Logos 4 Android so I can have it on my phone, and I am certainly wary of the July 1 deadline for my iPad, but right now I still favor iOS over Android. To each their own...
And i'd agree with what you just said...it's a question of what fills the need of the user.
...if the OP was looking for solid, dependable, just turn it on and it works...sort of performance...and I think he is...then that's the right answer for him.
I'm not an iOS basher....I'd love to own a iPad and a Mac....but I have what I have...maybe in the future.
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Robert Pavich said:Rev Chris said:
My point, though, was less about viruses and more about what's the better OS for tablets right now. And right now, IMO, Apple is leading the way. I look forward to Logos 4 Android so I can have it on my phone, and I am certainly wary of the July 1 deadline for my iPad, but right now I still favor iOS over Android. To each their own...
And i'd agree with what you just said...it's a question of what fills the need of the user.
...if the OP was looking for solid, dependable, just turn it on and it works...sort of performance...and I think he is...then that's the right answer for him.
I'm not an iOS basher....I'd love to own a iPad and a Mac....but I have what I have...maybe in the future.
Yes, that's what I'm looking for: solid, dependable, just turn it on and it works! I don't plan to root anything. [:)] What I've read in this thread confirms my initial thinking that a refurbished iPad may be the way to go. I'll wait for some of the dust to settle before making a decision.
FWIW, my Windows experience is similar to yours, but I do use Norton 360.
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Bill Moore said:
Yes, that's what I'm looking for: solid, dependable, just turn it on and it works! I don't plan to root anything.
What I've read in this thread confirms my initial thinking that a refurbished iPad may be the way to go. I'll wait for some of the dust to settle before making a decision.FWIW, my Windows experience is similar to yours, but I do use Norton 360.
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Oh....who's that...ahh...the original poster Bill...we were just duking it out and forgot all about you...
I'm glad that you gleaned what you needed from this tussle!
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Bill,
I have both an iPad and an android tablet (the seven inch Samsung Galaxy Tab).
Without a doubt I now use the android tablet much more frequently than the iPad (about 80 to 90 per cent of the time). The reason for this is not based on the operating system. iOS is by far the more user friendly system and the smoothest running (I only have andriod 2.2 - not 2.3 or the tablet interface). Why I prefer the Galaxy Tab is that the 7" tablet is much more portable and less tiring to hold. I can even fit it in very large pockets.
The only program I miss on the android tablet is Logos.
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Bill Moore said:
Yes, that's what I'm looking for: solid, dependable, just turn it on and it works! I don't plan to root anything.
What I've read in this thread confirms my initial thinking that a refurbished iPad may be the way to go. I'll wait for some of the dust to settle before making a decision.Refurbished Mac's, iPad's, and iPod's have 14 calendar day return option => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad
Apple tends to refresh refurbished stock in early morning hours (in US, about 6 am Eastern).
If primarily using iPad for Logos, 16 GB should be adequate for many Logos libraries; some Logos users would benefit from 32 GB (if want many thousands of resources available offline: portfolio edition plus thousands more)).
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Damian McGrath said:
The only program I miss on the android tablet is Logos.
Yes.
If I had logos on my tablet, then my laptop would stay at home!
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It looks like the iPad / Logos resource issue has been resolved. Several websites are reporting that Apple has changed their policy, and will no longer require books & other resources to be purchased "in app" (with a 30% cut going to Apple). The apparent solution is to not allow any purchases 1) to be made in app without Apple's 30% cut and 2) to not allow any links to purchase resources from within the app.
It seems that as long as purchases are made outside of the app, the Logos apps should be able to continue as normal. Bob said that notes & highlights should be coming "very soon." Bring it on!
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/09/apple-reverses-course-on-in-app-subscriptions/
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alabama24 said:
Bill -
It looks like the iPad / Logos resource issue has been resolved. Several websites are reporting that Apple has changed their policy, and will no longer require books & other resources to be purchased "in app" (with a 30% cut going to Apple). The apparent solution is to not allow any purchases 1) to be made in app without Apple's 30% cut and 2) to not allow any links to purchase resources from within the app.
It seems that as long as purchases are made outside of the app, the Logos apps should be able to continue as normal. Bob said that notes & highlights should be coming "very soon." Bring it on!
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/09/apple-reverses-course-on-in-app-subscriptions/
Thanks. I saw that in another thread, and it looks like good news all the way around. Now I just need to fund an iPad. [:)]
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Bill Moore said:
Thanks. I saw that in another thread, and it looks like good news all the way around. Now I just need to fund an iPad.
== Disclaimer - Apple user [:)] ==
Hi there - I have read through the various posts and can add some further.
I have owned both the iPad 1 & iPad 2. If your budget can stretch then I would recommend the iPad 2. It is lighter, faster, thinner, better screen and has the latest generation A5 processor. The original iPad has the A4 processor - it does make a difference, now and in the future when more features are put into apps (Logos) and the iPad 2 will be able to handle the load better. If you want to save a bit don't get the 3G model, just the WiFi only model if you believe you won't need 3G roaming Internet access.
I am philosophically and practically against Android, and will never buy an Android device. Why? Google doesn't really care less about Android and the platform (and consequently you as a user of the platform). Follow the money... Google makes >90% of its revenue from ads, Android is just a platform for them to deliver/control ads. Why did they get into the mobile platform (and subsequently tablets) in the first place? Because they realised that if they didn't their ad monopoly would be in danger — they have said as such in as many words.
Apple makes its revenue mostly from its hardware products, if they don't do well people won't buy their products. Simple as that.
Who are you going to trust to innovate and deliver a product to delight users, and stand behind their products?
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Someone mentioned the Galaxy Tab 7" — stay away from it. It has been said a number of times that the screen aspect ratio on the Galaxy Tab is not suited to reading and electronic books, it is too narrow. Anyway Samsung are blatant IP thieves being sued by Apple, who knows how long they will be to keep making their copycat products.
Microsoft/Windows is out of the running,their innovation well is dry. They can't even make up their minds about what technology to use. Windows Phone 7 uses Silverlight as the presentation layer technology, now with their confused Windows 8 dual function 'strategy' they are using HTML 5 + Javascript as their presentation layer (for tablets). All the Windows developers are screaming. http://forums.silverlight.net/forums/p/230502/562113.aspx
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Get an iPad 2 [:)]
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Thanks for your perspective, Patrick. What you said about newer Logos features and processing speed makes sense. I suspect by the time I see my way to buy one, iPad 3 will be out. [;)]
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I have the Asus Transformer with honeycomb and it is AMAZING! It is so much more than a tablet. The Keyboard on it really transforms it into a simple laptop with a 16hour battery life! I charge it every other day or so and use it non-stop throughout the day. Just loaded Logos Beta for it and it works like a dream
I know Ipad has a lot more apps, but all the ones I really care about (for work and productivity) are on my Asus and all of the google apps I use all the time are designed for the honeycomb OS. Alot of it is preference, but I would check out both and then make a decision. I could not imagine a tablet without the functionality of having widgets after having one. I would highly recommend the Transformer if you can find it.0 -
Phil J. Kooistra said:
Just loaded Logos Beta for it and it works like a dream
Huh??? what did I miss?
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How does one sign up for Beta testings of Logos 4 releases?
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Dan P. sent out a tweet yesterday giving Beta access to the first 50 people who replied. I just happend to be one of the lucky ones. It works great on both my Droid X2 and the transformer. It seems really stable and I am sure it will not be long til the final release will be out.
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