Question re downloading books
I know things change with a gold release after a beta and I was wondering if I might have to download everything again with the final release? I would hate to spend too much time downloading resources if I will have to repeat the process.
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I not only lost the resources I downloaded for the previous versions, I now cannot access the books or redownload them to my phone-- with internet or without. I can access any other book in my library but not the ones that had been previously downloaded. Any trouble like that with yours?
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I had to clear the data and sign in again so that I could download the books again. What a hastle.
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This is beta software. Google has messed with people's perceptions of what beta means, but here's what it means for pretty much everyone else: the software is not complete, but ready for testing. Bugs are inevitable.
I don't know of any issues that would cause you to have to redownload your books for a future release, but it is certainly a possibility.
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Google has messed with people's perceptions of what beta means,
That made me smile big time....we would do well to plaster this on the L4 beta forum also )
Robert Pavich
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I think I am confused.....you are correct that this is a beta and things will happen, both good and bad. Is the user forum not the place where you would like us to have these discussions? Every other beta I have been involved in wanted users to discuss what has happened and what they did--both good and bad--in order to refine the product before it is fully released. Please correct me if this is not that type of beta and you only want to hear the good things about this beta.
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LB,
I can't speak for Dave...I'm nobody but what I THINK he was referring to was this statement:
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What a hastle.
He MIGHT have thought that you mis-understood that things like what you are experiencing are to be expected....
that's just my guess from reading the thread....
Yes...this is the place to report all of the bugs
Robert Pavich
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Dave was responding to my OP, not to LB.
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This is beta software. Google has messed with people's perceptions of what beta means, but here's what it means for pretty much everyone else: the software is not complete, but ready for testing. Bugs are inevitable.
I've come to know that's what beta means for Logos, and alas you're probably right that that's the meaning more and more software companies are using. But it isn't that Google has "messed with people's perceptions" -- your definition of beta is never what it meant for us when I was working at Microsoft. For us it meant: feature complete but might still have bugs. We had already done significant testing in-house by that stage and wanted help from the wider community in finding the rest of the bugs. We were not still introducing new features anymore once something went beta. We might have to write significant new code to fix a bug, but nothing new was planned after that point.
I'm not complaining about this being "beta" software, just trying to give some historical perspective to address your perception of how beta came to mean what it does now.
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And, I too have worked in the field, so I know what to expect from a Beta release.. and all I'd like to add to what Rosie said is: At Microsoft, Beta may mean feature complete (on a final release level), but it's not a general idea in the whole industry. If you look at the notes for this release, from Logos, it's VERY clear this is not feature complete software, for what is planned for the final release. Keep all this in mind when you make your observations. I think Logos means Beta to be each feature of the final release is complete and needs testing, but not all planned features are ready or present yet.
Final thing, that can't be stressed enough with this: It's a work in progress, and may or may not meet your expectations. And, having worked on pre-Beta software, professionally, before, it's most helpful (to the employees screening this forum), during a beta test cycle, to apply your usage and observe the technical failures and specific issues, not your general concerns. Then they can fix it. This is all about detail, not high level sorts of things!
Respectfully,
Paul Powers
PS: Concerning the technical issue about re-downloading for each new Beta is par for the course in ANY software testing, of any type. So this is not helpful for the staff at Logos, because it's routine for them to have to reload and re-setup for each new release, Alpha, Beta or whatever. They work quite hard, doing this over and over, day in and day out, to make it so you don't HAVE too, in the final release. So your grandma doesn't get annoyed that with every new update/release she has to start over each time. But since this is a Beta, WE, as Beta testers, get to re-setup and re-download ALL the time too, so your grandma, later, doesn't have too!
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From my own experience in the industry...
Some software is labelled Beta to avoid legal liability for problems, especially if it's free to the majority of its users. And as we used to say in pre-sales support at one of my employers, "it's free so they're getting their money's worth"
Logos is using Beta in it's true sense. I'd rather Logos focussed on working towards a final product of the quality I've come to expect rather than burning resources on inter-beta release data migration.
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I've also worked in the Hardware/Software industry and understand the purpose of Beta testing. The thing that may be a little unusual here is that there is continual work in progress so we are testing and hopefully they are developing based our our wishes and suggestions.I suspect the development cycle is going to be a long one.
I like what they've done for a start but certainly expect to see major functional improvements along the way. I believe they've already indicated some of their development goals and these appear to be the way I'd like to see it done.
Ultimately, I'd want functionality rivalling what I have on my PC. Perhaps to much to ask but still a good goal.
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Working for the the last 20 years in the software industry, I have to agree pretty much with Rosie on this one. Beta, is the hashing out of additional bugs before a limited or general release. Anything where features were being added was strictly alpha until the features were stabilized enough to release to our Beta population.
In Christ,
Ken
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