Who has an archive of the old newsgroups?

Thomas,

I installed a USENET server before news.logos.com closed down, so I have a copy of everything that was on the server at the time. It would theoretically be possible for you to install the same server, and I could provide the data if you wanted. You could then point your newsreader to your computer and 'download' all the Logos posts if you wished.

But here's the conversation you wanted:

tcblack said:

After using and being exposed to the Sermon File Addin for awhile (as well
as
being *extremely* irked by it's lack of easy wysywig formatting.) I
would
like to propose a module at least somewhat similar to it (But with
decent
wysywig editing!) for building a running commentary.  Some of the
features
I'm asking for are already available in notes, others are not.
Perhaps this
is one way to reconsider the notes module as it rather
consistently attracts
complaints.
We already have "My sermons" and "My illustrations" so I propose:
"My
Commentary".

"My commentary" would permit me to save, edit,
re-edit, compile, recompile
and _share_ my commentary with others.

1. 
I should be able to define a template to be used for every single
verse,
chapter or pericope.   For instance I typically include the
following
headings under my notes: Parsing & Syntax, Textual Variance,
Diagram,
Translation, Exegesis & Translation Comparison,
Explanation,
Application.  Not everyone would want to use those categories
but I do, and
I want them automatically available at every single section I'm
working on.

2.  Pasting from another book should not only create a
footnote but a
properly formatted link back to that resource.

3.  It
should be able to automatically keep track of every quotation or
link pasted
in, and upon compiling a complete bibliography (in my format of
choice)
should be generated either at the end of the commentary or at the
end of the
Book.

4.  I should be able to add commentary to non-biblical resources. 
For
instance if I wanted to comment on the apostolic fathers or a
particular
journal article - I should be able to create a separate commentary
for
those extra-biblical resources. (Or combine it with my Bible commentary
if
I so desire).

5.  Running a passage guide should pull up my
commentary together with the
other commentaries.

6.  It should be
printable as a section or as an entire document - no
matter how many pages it
consists of. 

7.  Ditto for the ability to export to PDF, HTML, TXT, and
maybe even DOC
(I'd push for ODT but that is just me perhaps).

8. 
Copying and pasting from "My Commentary" should provide a nice footnote
just
like any other resource in Logos.

9.  NO renewable licence fees as in
PBB.

10.  Your additional ideas go here.

J. R. Miller said:

I currently use Notes, but your feature requests would be much easier
and
less time consuming and more useful in the end.
Joe

BroJames said:

I do not have it, and am not really familiar with the way the resource

works, but, aren't most of these ideas packaged in the PBB? Just
curious!

BroJames

Mark Smith said:

James,

I'll let Thomas respond in detail, but PBB books have to be
created using
HTML as I undertsand. You can start with text, but then it must
be
converted. Thomas' idea would be to allow straight-forward entry of
text
both via keyboard and the Windows clipboard. This would simplify
the
creation of the commentary.

Thomas,

I think this is an
excellent idea. It does seem to cross over into the
'ultimate notes' facility
that people (including myslef) have asked for
repeatedly. Afterall once the
feature set is available, it could be used for
something other than a
commentary.

I'd add that this feature should automatically recognize
scripture
references (like a smart tag) and allow the text to be added in. It
should
allow for quick transfer from English text entry to Greek and Hebrew,
and it
should support the exporting of most (if not all) of Libronix's
reports to
it.

Mark

tcblack said:

> I'd add that this feature should automatically recognize scripture
>
references (like a smart tag) and allow the text to be added in.

>
> It should  allow for quick transfer from English text
entry to Greek and Hebrew,
> and it should support the
exporting of most (if not all) of Libronix's reports to it.

I agree with each one of those ideas.  Yes the general trend is always to
ask
for more and more automation, but that's the purpose of this NG.

tcblack said:

> I do not have it, and am not really familiar with the way the resource

> works, but, aren't most of these ideas packaged in the PBB? Just
curious!

yes, several of these ideas are also found in the PBB, but there
are
several intervening steps which are just plain laborious and nobody
trying
to take notes as you go is about to follow the same steps every day
to
recompile all of their notes into a new version of the same old
commentary. 

I think the way the sermon addin has solved the
auto-compile and save issue
has been a good move.  Further, there are
limitations of a sort to PBB
which just don't belong in Libronix.  Things
like Markup for instance? 

Notes as a general purpose tool can cause
your system to slow to a crawl
(See some of the recent comments regarding the
geneva bible notes in other
locations).  But a properly executed "My
commentary" would perform the same
instant note writing ability without the
lag time because as soon as you
save/compile it would act just like any other
resource.

Whyndell said:

Yes this would be great- And I would use this verus notes 10 to 1

10. be
able to import charts and diagrams in whole or part- copy and past
would be
great.

Thomas Black said:

That would have been more than cool Bohuslav.  Thankfuly Mark beat you to it.  :-)

Accept Mark's victory on points [:)]

Thomas Black said:

Mark Barnes said:

I installed a USENET server before news.logos.com closed down, so I have a copy of everything that was on the server at the time. It would theoretically be possible for you to install the same server, and I could provide the data if you wanted. You could then point your newsreader to your computer and 'download' all the Logos posts if you wished.

But here's the conversation you wanted:

  Seriously!

1.5Gb zipped to 700Mb if you're interested! (Although I could open up my firewall to allow you to download it direct if you prefer.)

I wished I had saved my "fried egg" story because it was one of these good inspirational moment. If you have it in your archive, I would love to have it.

Hi Mark

Any possibility of getting a link to the zipped usergroups of the past or some way of downloading them?

Thanks,

Pastor Gerald