The Logos blog says this:
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Please note that The Perseus Collections require the latest version of Logos Bible Software 4.3.
What is it about the Perseus resources that requires Logos 4.3 I wonder?
I'm going the guess it's the data-type support in 4.3 that is needed.
They are going to supply the collections as .docx files and you have compile each one as a PB.
[;)]
I am disappointed - I heard they were going to be HTML files that we could open in a .docx file/Word, so we could get some experience formatting and tagging personal books. [;)]
What is it about the Perseus resources that requires Logos 4.3 I wonder? They are going to supply the collections as .docx files and you have compile each one as a PB.
I don't know how this might be checked, but I'm assuming that they *are* PB files. Perhaps a great way for Logos to demo PB to other groups that may want to push out resources this way. If I understood correctly, the someday upcoming PB "store" will provide a means for anyone to publish and offer for sale their own compiled PB books.
I'm assuming that they *are* PB files.
I assume they are not PB files, no indication that they will be. Imagine how that will mess up the organization of PB files in your library, filtered by Edition? Good luck finding your 50 PB files in their 3200. Remember too we have just seen release 1 of the PB tool, which could really limit the usefulness of this very excellent new library of resources.
It's really not the purpose of the PB tool any way...
Maybe E-pub![:P]
I don't know how this might be checked, but I'm assuming that they *are* PB files.
That's how rumors get started... No, these are not Personal Books.
A perfectly good humorous statement already gone horribly wrong. So, to allay any lingering doubts, be sure to twitter me and if I get > 1k tweets overnight I'll ensure that the entire collection is preconverted to logos format vs. PBB/docx/epub/txt/pickaformat!
Mark, your "winky face" obviously didn't translate well, lets try mine: [;)]
I don't know how this might be checked, but I'm assuming that they *are* PB files. That's how rumors get started... No, these are not Personal Books.
No rumor intended, I don't know much about PB's yet and just assumed that the timing + reliance on 4.3 had a PB connection. Since PB's have been said to be like regular books in your library, I had assumed we wouldn't know the difference, but Dominick's comment indicates otherwise, and now even the hint of a possible rumor has been cleared away.
No rumor intended, I don't know much about PB's yet and just assumed that the timing + reliance on 4.3 had a PB connection. Since PB's have been said to be like regular books in your library,
Having nightmares about compiling 3k+ .docx files.....
So I take it you won't be interested in my one-verse-per-PB Bible reference library?
I want the complete collection on my desktop computer, but is there a way to keep it from downloading to my notebook and iPad?
Logos 4 does not support having different collections of resources on different computers. (If you buy a collection on your desktop, it will be automatically downloaded on your notebook. If you hide a resource on your notebook, it will also be hidden on the desktop.)
Mobile devices (Android and iOS) are different because they're "lightweight" versions of the program. By default, the resources are only stored online and you have to explicitly download them. So these resources will not automatically download to your iPad if you buy them on the desktop.
I note that when I looked last night the website suggested that these collections were not available on iOS, but looking again today they are.
For folks that have limitations on band-width or alternatively don't want a lot of 'stuff' on their portables, if you look at the resources, the Civil War group has a considerable number of images (battle maps, old pictures, etc). So absent a personal interest (or for the history buffs in your family), you might forgo 'ordering' those resources, at least until you're comfortable with all the others.
For me, scanning through the Civil War group, I just can't believe it. For all these years those resources essentially 'belonged' to the historians.
I suppose the same is also true of the papyri. Scanning through those, I'm absolutely amazed at what's included.
Previously I was impressed at what Logos did for connecting the various top-level resources (lexicons, text forms, commentaries, etc). Now, in addition to the NT papyri, Dead Sea Scrolls fragments, Targums, and pseudepigrapha, we get the 'next level down'. Wow.
Who would believe this, when just 20+ years ago, they were squabbling over the scrolls.
I want the complete collection on my desktop computer, but is there a way to keep it from downloading to my notebook and iPad? Logos 4 does not support having different collections of resources on different computers. (If you buy a collection on your desktop, it will be automatically downloaded on your notebook. If you hide a resource on your notebook, it will also be hidden on the desktop.) Mobile devices (Android and iOS) are different because they're "lightweight" versions of the program. By default, the resources are only stored online and you have to explicitly download them. So these resources will not automatically download to your iPad if you buy them on the desktop.
On notebook, wonder about setting Automatic Downloads to No, followed by manually updating. For future resource updates and additions, could copy resource file(s) from desktop to notebook (USB drive), then use scan command on notebook (to copy from USB drive into Logos 4 folder and index). For program, could manually download and install.
Keep Smiling [:)]
If they aren't personal books, are they going to nail them to the church door? [;)] That way they can be public books.
Edit: I was corrected. I forgot that downloads now had their own control.
On notebook, wonder about setting Automatic Downloads to No, followed by manually updating. For future resource updates and additions, could copy resource file(s) from desktop to notebook (USB drive), then use scan command on notebook (to copy from USB drive into Logos 4 folder and index). I'd be very careful attempting this because it turns off syncing of all personal items - reading lists, notes, etc. You would be turning the notebook into strictly an e-reader. We've had one case recently where a user spent several weeks recovering from having turned all the syncing features off.
On notebook, wonder about setting Automatic Downloads to No, followed by manually updating. For future resource updates and additions, could copy resource file(s) from desktop to notebook (USB drive), then use scan command on notebook (to copy from USB drive into Logos 4 folder and index).
I'd be very careful attempting this because it turns off syncing of all personal items - reading lists, notes, etc. You would be turning the notebook into strictly an e-reader. We've had one case recently where a user spent several weeks recovering from having turned all the syncing features off.
MJ,
Setting Automatic Downloads to No doesn't turn off syncing. Rather, it's the Use Internet setting that affects syncing. The Automatic Downloads setting only affects resource updates. So I think KQ4J's idea could work.
Does anyone know how big these resources are? Are they in megabits, or the gigabits range. It would be nice to have large collections, like this, to have an estimate for how much room they need to have on your computer.
From another thread:
I checked the latest in-development version of the Perseus Classics collection (~1,100 resources) and it was 550MB. I don't have final figures for any of the resources, but I would guess 1-2GB for all 3000 resources (in the initial download), then probably another 1-2GB to index them.
I checked the latest in-development version of the Perseus Classics collection (~1,100 resources) and it was 550MB.
I don't have final figures for any of the resources, but I would guess 1-2GB for all 3000 resources (in the initial download), then probably another 1-2GB to index them.
I'm concerned that this massive collection will bog down and clutter up my "entire library" searches. I would like to grab this deal but I really don't want to have to deal with a bunch of non-biblical based resources clogging up my already large library.
I agree but I rationalised it by thinking that I can order the ones I'm interested in and have a look at how useful they are. If they turn out to be little use I can always "hide" them, which removes them from my PC. My assumption is that they then won't be indexed or affect searches. And if I want them again at some point in the future I just unhide and they come back again.
I'm concerned that this massive collection will bog down and clutter up my "entire library" searches.
Hi Joshua
You could set up a Collection that excludes the Perseus Resources and use that for searches.
I'm concerned about this as well not because I ever want to search my entire library but because of being unable to search "My Content" except with an entire library search ... unless I missed an update.
And if I want them again at some point in the future I just unhide and they come back again.
Which would make it nice if we could hide/unhide collections rather than just individual books ... unless I missed an update.
As for hiding books, I am assuming that it has to be done one book at a time. I'm not sure if I want to sit down for an a few hours just to hide a few thousand books.
ok lets rewind a bit, and not get too stressed...
Logos 3 full search 3000 resources >50secs
same Logos 4 full search 3000 resources < 6 secs
even adding the perseus will still mean search times substantially faster than Logos 3 was , yes the searchin will be slower but not by much. I would still expect <10secs and I have ordered the lot.
Since it takes maybe 1 sec to search my entire library, the addition of Perseus might make it 2 sec. I'm not overly concerned about that. I can take a drink of coffee while it's searching.
I wonder if Logos would be able to include an "exclude from search" option for our resources - something so that the resources could still be included in the full library and not hidden, but not something that is searched on a regular basis. My thought is similar to what I do with my itunes - there's a "skip when shuffing" option - so I can keep a variety of music on my ipod, but I can still shuffle through "all" my songs (and skip, for example, the kids' music, and my Salvation Army band music which I love but need to be in the mood for [:)] ).
This way we could still search our "entire" library, including personal content, and not search through the Perseus content (which for me is 3 times the size of my entire current library), while still keeping the Perseus content available to look at, perhaps in its own collection so we have the option to search it if we want.
I wonder if Logos would be able to include an "exclude from search" option for our resources - something so that the resources could still be included in the full library and not hidden, but not something that is searched on a regular basis. My thought is similar to what I do with my itunes - there's a "skip when shuffing" option - so I can keep a variety of music on my ipod, but I can still shuffle through "all" my songs (and skip, for example, the kids' music, and my Salvation Army band music which I love but need to be in the mood for ). This way we could still search our "entire" library, including personal content, and not search through the Perseus content (which for me is 3 times the size of my entire current library), while still keeping the Perseus content available to look at, perhaps in its own collection so we have the option to search it if we want.
I wonder if Logos would be able to include an "exclude from search" option for our resources - something so that the resources could still be included in the full library and not hidden, but not something that is searched on a regular basis. My thought is similar to what I do with my itunes - there's a "skip when shuffing" option - so I can keep a variety of music on my ipod, but I can still shuffle through "all" my songs (and skip, for example, the kids' music, and my Salvation Army band music which I love but need to be in the mood for ).
Of course that is possible, but MJ's concern was that you only get "My Content" (not yours, mine) if you search the entire library.
One more point. I seem to recall that Bob said it would search the entire library faster than only a portion so I don't know how much speed you would gain -- if any.
I project on my desktop doing a search of "Melchizedek" over 10,000 resources, finding a hit in 20% of the resources, with 3.5 articles per resource and 25 results per resource will take under 2 seconds. Full search with the Perseus resources on a computer that is powered for Logos 4 already will not have a problem at all.
Searching the entire library will mean a lot more hits to wade through, won't it? Is that what the concern is?
I wonder if Logos would be able to include an "exclude from search" option for our resources
Looking at Logos Perseus Collections => http://www.logos.com/products/search?Product+Type=Perseus noticed many resources are not English.
Possibility: create a collection "Library - English" with rule Language:English (to exclude non English Perseus resources).
Wonder about creating Perseus collection(s) that mirror Logos collection groupings (using subject, series, ...). Then create a Library collection that excludes Perseus collections (possible start with "Library - English" collection in "+" plus these resources with Perseus collections in "-" minus these resources list).
Once collections created, have option to choose collection for searching.
In library filters or collections I believe you will just be able to exclude the entire Perseus library through the keyword 'Perseus'. It should be straightforward to exclude it from collections and the like.
In other discussions there is mention of a 'first come first served' talk, meaning that Pereus will go off the site for awile, and be downloaded in packets, to the first then to the last to order it. Does anyone know how that will work?
Yes, that is my concern.
That's my concern. I literally never want a search of my whole library. If I want to see "My Content" it is a two step process:
Step 3 is optional.[;)]
Realize that my search term could be improved upon and start the cycle all over again.
LOL. Does that involve progressive or regressive sanctification?
M.J. simply has the gift of perspective... and I wish that I had a greater measure of it!
That's how rumors get started...
Hi Vincent,
Obvioiusly, we need to start more rumors to help you with your post counts. You aren't even trying! [;)]
