Troubles with complex searches in Greek
I know that there have been innumerable questions here on the forums related to search, and I've done my best to review those topics and FAQ's before posting this but haven't found a suitable answer.
Perhaps the easiest way to pose the question would simply be to explain what I'm trying to do. I want to search for the greek word ματαιότης every time it is within 50 words of the greek words δόξα or its cognate verb δοξάζω. I also want the search results to include all forms of these words.
So far I have tried this string:
lemma:ματαιότης WITHIN 50 WORDS lemma:δοξάζω
... and was planning to do a second with δόξα since you can't seen to use logical operators with proximity operators (which is a bit frustrating, actually.)
Can anyone help me out with this or explain where I am going wrong?
Thanks,
Refe
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Make sure you are running that string under "Morph Search" and not Bible search.
Also, I'm not sure what you are trying to search, but I don't think either combo appears in the NT. I only got results with ματαιτης and δοξα in the LXX.
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I am, but it isn't returning any results with either query so I must be doing something wrong. There is at least one occurrence of the two words within 50 words that I'm aware of (Rom 8:20-21), so the fact that I'm getting zero results in not encouraging!
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Currently the Morph search defaults to searching within a single verse. But there is a work-around: if you construct your search in the moph search panel and then click on 'basic search' the search string will be automatically converted to syntax that will work as a basic search, where the searches are bound by the 'article', which in the case of most Bibles is a chapter. You get something like so:
(([field bible, content] <lemma = lbs/el/ματαιότης>) WITHIN 50 WORDS ([field bible, content] <lemma = lbs/el/δόξα>))
And that will find your Romans 8 hit.
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Great thank you. Looks like that's the only hit, but at least now I know that it is working. I didn't realize that it defaults to within the same verse on the morph searches. Seems like there should be an operator to fix that? For now the workaround will work fine.
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Refe said:
Seems like there should be an operator to fix that?
Libronix 3 had a feature in the Advanced Search options for specifying what 'document level' one wanted to bound searches by. Bibles supported 'book', 'chapter' and 'verse', with some Bibles also sporting 'sentence' and specialised levels (like the Peshitta supported a split on the Syriac chapter marks instead of the modern chapter breaks). There's a ticket in to development to look into adding this feature back to a future release.
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Vincent Setterholm said:Refe said:
Seems like there should be an operator to fix that?
Libronix 3 had a feature in the Advanced Search options for specifying what 'document level' one wanted to bound searches by. Bibles supported 'book', 'chapter' and 'verse', with some Bibles also sporting 'sentence' and specialised levels (like the Peshitta supported a split on the Syriac chapter marks instead of the modern chapter breaks). There's a ticket in to development to look into adding this feature back to a future release.
Can they bring back the "check off the features" approach? I really hate the "write a letter to your Senator" approach.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Refe said:
So far I have tried this string:
lemma:ματαιότης WITHIN 50 WORDS lemma:δοξάζω
... and was planning to do a second with δόξα since you can't seen to use logical operators with proximity operators
You can use a List:-
<lemma = lbs/el/ματαιότης> WITHIN 50 words (<lemma = lbs/el/δόξα>, <lemma = lbs/el/δοξάζω>)
though δόξα is the only one with results!
Dave
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