JoanKorte said:

Regarding linking in general (and this is not addressed to any one person's post), let's say one could link from notes in Libronix to other files on your computer and maybe you can already do this-I don't use notes at all, never have.   What happens, and I don't know the answer, when I get a new computer or move files around that have links "to" them--I'm thinking that the links are associated with a given location and they would no longer work.  I know there are such things as "relative" links that somehow make a shift.

Let's say they wouldn't survive the move or shift, then I would only want note files and links to work within Libronix and link to places within Libronix because I wouldn't want to do them all over again.

Thank you for bearing with me.  I tried to describe this situation using the appropriate words and I might not have said it very well.  One last word.  I would definitely use notes in Libronix if I could search over them at the same time.

 

I believe you are correct that were you to move your files the links would be broken.  It should be stated clearly, however, that if you move your files but retain the same relative structure, i.e., if you maintained a file in a folder named "Hodge-podge" (OK, I'm not feeling creative today) directly under your C:\ drive so that your path would be "C:\Hodge-podge" even though you moved it to a new computer with the same directory structure, it would still work.  It's not moving it per se that is the problem but whether it still has the same address.  I have had a few external links, but I'm not sure that I have them any longer since some of the works I was referncing in HTML form are now Logos resources.  I'd need to check that, and I have lots of notes to check.

Daniel DeVilder said:

As clunky as "notes" is, I still think it is pretty cool and has features and uses I have not taken advantage of (example, different note type, note color, etc,).  I would love to SEE how other people do notes.  Perhaps besides collecting them for their own development, Logos could have visual examples of how people use their notes: ie, systems they use, etc.

I agree.  Notes definitey needs improvement.  I can't understand, however, people resorting to other programs for their note taking.  When other programs are used one loses the integration with the program which I find to be invaluable.

Floyd Johnson said:

George Somsel said:

I agree.  Notes definitey needs improvement.  I can't understand, however, people resorting to other programs for their note taking.  When other programs are used one loses the integration with the program which I find to be invaluable.

George:

Each of us is different - if I use a tablet PC, then I want my notes to make use of the tools that are available on a Tablet.  If I use a standard PC, I want Notes to use the tools available on the PC.  Notes does neither - so we use the tools that are available.  As Bob noticed, the reason we use so many different products is that we all study in different ways.  It is not likely that Notes can meet all of our needs - it certainly does not now.  Therefore, we use other products.  I guess, it is a choice - we use an inferior product or use the product that best meets our needs.  Since I use a tablet, I expect that Notes will never meet my needs - but maybe it can be of use to others.  And with enough improvements, I may use it more than I do now - even if does not become my primary tool.

Blessings,

Floyd

 

I haven't had a tablet PC so I don't know what works and what doesn't.  Why does the note function in Logos not work on a tablet?  It would seem that the main difference is the input device (stylus?).

JackCaviness said:

Bob Pritchett said:

think we'll also see changes in our workflows simply in response to the technology. Improved searching may, for example, make linking a quote to it's source become less important. If you can search for the text of the quote in a keystroke or two, and find it in a second or two, why would you clutter your note / Word doc / slide with something like libronixdls:jump|res=LLS.1.0.1.43&ref=LLSAO:345:10340 ?

 Please keep the ideas and feedback coming!

Bob

I must agree with the others that the ability to link to source files from the Notes would be a valuable feature. Of course, it will be much better when that feature is present in the Mac version .

Jack

Ditto what everyone else said about being able to link in the note files.

For those of you who might be interested in taking a more structured approach to coming up with an improved Notes engine, I've started another thread to complement this more general one:  http://community.logos.com/forums/p/343/3148.aspx#3148

DanielThornton said:

I would like to be able to generate the Note File Summary, then copy and paste portions of that to my Word Processing program, and have the formatting transfer over with the copy and paste operation. 

Right now, the indents and basic font functions are adequate for my need, but not if I can't copy them over into WORD.

 

Peace to you, Daniel!  *smile*

          I don't understand ...        copy and past from the Note File Summary works very well indeed for me  ...

Yours in Christ,

          ....   Mel

Paul Golder said:

Having a spell checker would be wonderful.

I am assuming that you would want a spell checker for American English, but there are other languages and even dialects of English which are supported.

No harm in letting Bob know what would be useful, but I can understand Bob's reluctance to get into a full-fledged wordprocessor. From other comments in this and concurrent threads, it almost seems that some users want a stand-alone Logos office suite.

A.J. van den Herik said:

There is no great problem to implement a spell checker. The simple Wordprocessor in WordSearch 8 has one.

For me there are a couple of wishes

1. Some formatting tools like the tools on this forum.

2. A pop-up ability for Bible texts. So that when you type Gen 1:1 there is a pop up with the text (as in Word Search).

3. The possibility to set a default font and size.

4. The posibility to link to other Libronix resources (as one now have) and the posibility to link to link to reports (as the Bible Study Tools have),

1. I think there are already more formatting tools (aside from HTML) in notes than exist on this forum.
2. I don't want any pop-ups unless I can disable them (selectively).
3. Absolutely !  Arial 10pt which is the current default is not acceptable to me.  I imagine that each has his own preference.
4. I would like to link to other notes that I have created.  If this is one of the things you include in this, count me in.

According to my understanding, WordPad is a fairly consize set of code that takes advantage of Microsoft's class libraries, which have the actual functionality. If that is correct then on Windows, duplicating Wordpad's functionality should be comparatively easy.

I've mentioned this somewhere else, but since it wasn't this thread, yet it's relevant:

 

OneNote stores information in XML format, and there's apparently an API to get to the file contents. I would like to be able to do a single search across all my stuff - articles I've saved off the web, personal notes, sound recordings, etc. If Logos tapped into the OneNote API so that I could do a single search in Logos against Logos resources and my OneNote notes, all my Notes worries would be taken care of.

 

BTW, I'm not sure that the question is asked in such a way that we'll get the responses we need. If all we examine is how we use Notes today - why do we need an improved version? If we're already doing it, it must be stuff that's currently supported. I.e., I think we need to explore what we're doing outside Logos because we can't do it in Notes.

I personally love the notes feature.  I like naming the note, tying it to verse, word, especially nice to be able to attach it to books in addition to Bibles.  One wish, It would be  nice to able to publish straight to a blog like in word 2007.  Synchronizing notes and visual markups are very valuable to me as well. Way to go with version 4.  I can't wait to get my copy

I agree with your idea of keeping note files simple--I have used them a lot in logos 3.  Don't go to the bother of making a full fledged word-processor.  If people want fancy text, they could create it in the mechanism of their choice and then import it.

I liked how in logos 3 a note could be attached to any word in any sentence of a given resource. 

But the version in logos 4 seems to lump all notes attached to parts of a sentence to the beginning of that sentence.  This destroys the context and makes me write context to make sense of the note.  Quite a loss.  Especially since if I have three different notes in a long sentence, I get three little tags, and I have no idea which one is addressing the part I want until a mouse over the list.  Am I missing something?

Also, I want to import all my notes from logos 3, and these are context driven, placed at the very point in the text where they are desired.  Will this information be lost?  I hope not.  It would mean I would have to update all those notes to make sense of them.  Losing the point of attachment seriously degrades the function as a quick note.  For example, the old way:   we can highlight 3 words, and add the note "bravo!" and we know exactly what we mean with very little work.

I think at least notes should have HTML functionality (and import and export to/from HTML) - or at least embed HTML functionality

• bold, italic, underline, strikethrough
• different colour for text and background (highlighing)
• Indent
• Bullet points / number points
• Cut, copy and paste within and between notes preserving formating
• hyperlinks (* Very very  important *)
  •  to Logos resources
  • other notes,
  • website pages,
  • images,
  • powerpoint presentations/excel on local machine,
  • mp3 sermon files, movie files and other media
  •  etc

I would also like POP-UP links to bible refs, logos resoucres etc

 

Then I would like to have some form of notes in notes!! i.e. pop-up notes on the note! - Important for annotation e.g. I copy a bible text, or extract from dictionary and want to highlight and annotate a word or phrase in the copied text in my base note. (Like you can do in word with annotation/revision notes) (If notes were able to be linked and pop-ups enabled this would be happen automatically just by creating another note and linking)

 

Bob I know you don't want to make a word processor BUT quality notes are a vital and important part of Bible study. Using separate programs is not ideal because, for example:

It disrupts workflow (and possibly though processes) - It is a pain switching between two programs (e.g. Word and Logos)

if the note is in Word, say, - it is difficult when viewing Word to LINK back to reources
and bible text etc - especially when viewing older notes. - notes within Logos could incorporate pop-up links etc which is MUCH more convenient

 

I'm glad notes are now fully searchable - need to keep this (maybe extend with regular expression searching too - both within and external to notes!).

I like tags and attachements too e.g. If it's a sermon note I'd like to link and/or attach the mp3 sermon file and powerpoint for that sermon

 

Thanks again for listening. Let's hope that this improvement will ensure Logos 4 remains the number one and most popular Bible-Study resource available.

 

 

 

 

JamesHudson said:

hyperlinks (* Very very  important *)

•  to Logos resources
• other notes,
• website pages,
• images,
• powerpoint presentations/excel on local machine,
• mp3 sermon files, movie files and other media
•  etc

A MUST imo.  +1 [Y] (Esp. the first 2)