Buying software for national pastor

Logos has been such a wonderful tool for myself as a pastor here in the states. A group from our church (including myself) have returned from a missions trip to South America and we would like to purchase Logos for the national pastor as a gift. The problem is that I'm worried over the hardware requirements of Logos 4. I've looked all over for a version 3 Spanish package but have come up with nothing.

Could I buy a Logos 4 package and then down grade to version 3? I know whatever I do I will have to have everything on cd/dvd because I know that there internet is very slow and very spotty. I'm not in contact with the pastor and will be sending anything down with another group this fall.

What does Logos do about international sales to groups that are behind the latest technological eight ball?

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Mark Smith

John,

I agree that Logos 3 would be your better gift. I think you should call sales to discuss what options would be available. I hope you can work something out.

Nelson still seems to be producing some packages in Logos 3, with CD/DVD media included if the Logos direct approach doesn't work.

Mark Barnes

If you purchase Logos 4, then most (not quite all) resources will also work with Logos 3. You should still be able to purchase a Logos 3 DVD from Logos for a nominal $5, though it doesn't seem to be listed on their website any more, and you'd need to check it included Spanish resources. It would be best to contact Logos directly to confirm.

If it doesn't exist any more, let us know, and we can suggest a work-around.

John Tabor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/284811#Comment_284811

On Amazon I found Biblioteca Académica Bilingüe and the box looks different than the on on Logos site, it has the Newer magnifying glass with cross but at the bottom it has the compatible with libronix. I'm assuming that it is an older version. Is it fair to assume that it is version 3. On a kind of related note, what year did logos go from version 2 to 3 and then to 4?

John Tabor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/284975#Comment_284975

Okay I talked to sales and all they have is Logos 4 and said that I couldn't get a version 3 resource cd/dvd. Here is a link to the amazon one for sales, could someone tell me if this is version 3 or 4? http://www.amazon.com/Logos-Bible-Software-Biblioteca-Acad%C3%A9mica/dp/B000Z4TG7O/?pf_rd_mnb=ATVPDKIKX0D34&pf_rd_stb=center-2&pf_rd_rat=0817NMRY4ZRQZM6P18TH&pf_rd_t3r=101&pf_rd_ptd=470938631&pf_rd_ied=507846&tag=buaazs-20&pf_rd_ptd=470938631&pf_rd_ied=507846

John Tabor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/284811#Comment_284811

Mark what would be a possible work around?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/285098#Comment_285098

John ... on the Amazon, the little blue symbol (magnifying glass) means Logos4. If it has a red rectangle, then it's Libronix3 (as you probably know).

If I were trying to do this for myself, and Mark will know more, I'd download the Libronix version g software. Then I'd FTP-download the related resources. That's AFTER I bought the Logos4 version, installed it with a log-on etc. Then I'd make a simple install disk and add instructions (or install it on the gentleman's computer if available).

The Amazon example 'looks' like it might already do this (having both a blue and red logo). I'd buy the Amazon version. But again, get Mark's input.

I know this sounds pretty nutty. But it illustrates (as I've said MANY times) ... that people are locked into Bob's dreams. Their library is his library. Even their proposed library is his library (ditto for any other software reader that's format-specific).

John Tabor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/285105#Comment_285105

This just seems sort of crazy. I have been to the ftp site and there are so many resources I wouldn't even know what to download (plus the size would take a long time) but I would be willing to try what I have to get this national pastor these resources.

I was also thinking that doesn't version 4 lose some functionality when not online. I know his internet is spotty at best and incredibly slow when on.

Any other help would be greatly appreciated. I'm computer literate enough that if you spell out what I need to do I should be able to do it.

Who would have thought that doing good would be so hard.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/285107#Comment_285107

John,

Unless you get lucky on that auction site and find a copy in L3 format there, you are discovering that Logos supports L3 but does not sell it. Until Logos withdrew distribution of its product from other retailers it was possible occasionally to find an older product in a store somewhere. That has dried up.

In this case the only option would seem to be to create a set of discs with the data that would be there if an L3 disc was available as Denise mentioned. That means finding and downloading the right files from the ftp site and burning a disc, then purchasing the license from Logos for Logos 4 using the national pastor's email address.

One potential problem I can see is what we called Addins in L3. Not sure where those that should have been included in a certain level of L3 package can be found.

I agree that this is more difficult than you probably wanted and for that reason is probably a game changer. Frustrating.

I am assuming that you want the Spanish language version of Logos, so one last thought is to post on the Logos Spanish forum and ask if anyone knows if there is a source or has an older copy of the library you are looking for: http://community.logos.com/forums/65.aspx

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/285100#Comment_285100

Mark what would be a possible work around?

The work around would involve installing Logos 3 on your own computer, using a fast internet connection, and getting all the resources up-to-date. You could then copy onto DVD the install folder and the resources folder from your Logos 3 installation. That would allow you to very significantly reduce the amount of data that would need to downloaded when you installed it properly.

If you want, I can give you steps to do this, although I can't guarantee that it will be 100% problem-free, and you'll probably still need to download some things (like the add-ins mentioned earlier). You'll need to have made a purchase before the steps will work.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/285118#Comment_285118

One potential problem I can see is what we called Addins in L3.

I found a folder with a zip file of the Logos3.0g software on the ftp site that includes all you need for installation including the addins. I don't know if the 3.0g installer by itself will include these, so that zip file might be what is needed for that: ftp://ftp.logos.com/ldls/Zip/ it is the third file listed.

This does not solve the resources issue.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/285107#Comment_285107

John ... if it's any consolation (and this IS my own opinion), you'd be wiser to do it the hard way anyway. The gentleman will eventually end up with a nicer computer, and he'd be already set up for Logos4. Plus he'll have a backup (Libronix3) that can operate in pretty shaky environments for the future.

Another thought; I'd assume the problem being addressed here isn't unique. After setting up a disk as described, you could freely copy it for others (with them purchasing the licenses from Logos). My brother in law works in Venda (not spanish but same problem); I wouldn't dream of suggesting L4 there.

A while back I was looking at the spanish versions out of curiousity; from what I saw, the file names are predictable (spanish).

Rich DeRuiter

Logos has been such a wonderful tool for myself as a pastor here in the states. A group from our church (including myself) have returned from a missions trip to South America and we would like to purchase Logos for the national pastor as a gift. The problem is that I'm worried over the hardware requirements of Logos 4. I've looked all over for a version 3 Spanish package but have come up with nothing.

Could I buy a Logos 4 package and then down grade to version 3? I know whatever I do I will have to have everything on cd/dvd because I know that there internet is very slow and very spotty. I'm not in contact with the pastor and will be sending anything down with another group this fall.

What does Logos do about international sales to groups that are behind the latest technological eight ball?

You do know that Logos has a dedicated sales and support for Spanish speakers, right?

Have you considered having this discussion with them? I'm sure you aren't the first to raise these questions. You can call their 800 number and ask for Spanish language sales, or email them at serviciotecnico@logos.com

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/285098#Comment_285098

Okay I talked to sales and all they have is Logos 4 and said that I couldn't get a version 3 resource cd/dvd. Here is a link to the amazon one for sales, could someone tell me if this is version 3 or 4?

The link you have features a Libronix 3 boxed product. I think you can do better on the price.

John Tabor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/285147#Comment_285147

Richard, I did call Spanish sales and they basically said I need to buy logos 4 as they no longer sell version 4 and they are strongly suggesting everyone upgrade. So no help there.

Super Tramp, I thought it was a libronix 3 but was thrown off by the blue magnifying lens logo which to me indicates Logos 4. I did ask the sales lady and she told me it was probably version 4. As far as price goes this is the best price I can find. I obviously don't need the bilingual part but $300 for the "Academica" is $100 cheaper than on Logos' site. If you could point me in the right direction for a cheaper price please do. We have $300 budgeted for this project and I want to be a wise steward and get be best bang for the buck. I could get the pastor's edition for 250 but if I can get a bigger package within our budget then the blessing gets bigger.

Mark, I don't mind doing what I have to do. When I was with this young pastor (a man in his early 20's) I was shocked at the very limited resources he had. Recently someone gave him a one volume commentary and you would have thought you had given him a brick of gold. I came home and almost felt ashamed of the shelves full of books in my office and the fact I have the silver package on my computer. (Actually most of the funds for this purchase is from money I have saved up to upgrade to gold). How can I not do what I can. Not only will this enrich his studying but also nourish his flock. I have libronix 3 on my computer already and it is up to date so I could copy files.

Could someone please confirm 100% that the Amazon link is version 3. Would buying a verion 3 now and the the crossgrade dvd be an option. How be it a more expensive option.

Thanks so much for your help[:D]

John Tabor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/285187#Comment_285187

"I thought it was a libronix 3 but was thrown off by the
blue magnifying lens logo which to me indicates Logos 4. I did ask the
sales lady and she told me it was probably version 4."

The sales person mentioned was from Logos.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/285187#Comment_285187

Richard, I did call Spanish sales and they basically said I need to buy logos 4 as they no longer sell version 4 and they are strongly suggesting everyone upgrade. So no help there.

Sorry, I missed that above. It's there.

Next thought: Have you considered buying a laptop that meets L4's minimal specs, install Logos4 on it and gift the whole thing to the pastor? You could probably buy one for $400-$600. I realize you may need to deal with import duties as well (amount and circumstances varies widely from country to country), but L4 runs pretty well on my older Dell Inspiron (not fast, but adequate). It would probably be necessary to have someone hand-carry it, but missionaries are traveling to and from countries all the time (and know the laws and practices regarding import duties).