SOOOO Slow.

I am using a brand new top of the line 17in MacBook Pro (which screams! in Snow Leopard) with 4gb of ram. I am using VMWare Fusion 3 (newest w/ Snow Leopard support) running XP SP3 and Logos 4 (not the Mac version). It is seriously slow. Everything about it.

Am I doing something wrong? I have allocated within VMWare Fusion for Fusion to use both processors and 3 gb of ram to try to speed things up... but no dice. What is needed to run this beast?

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Rich DeRuiter

Logos screams in Windows. Don't know why it groans on VMWare Fusion.

What is needed to run this beast?

[Hesitates, and then quickly says]

Get a PC.

[Then, just as quickly runs away from all the apples thrown at him from dedicated Mac users.]

Seriously, there have been reports of L4 not running very well with VMWare. Others report it works great. Hopefully some Mac users will step in and help you out.

For future reference it might help attract Mac users by putting "Mac" somewhere in your subject line.

[Ow! Okay, who's still throwing apples?] [;)]

Bob Pritchett

Logos 4 uses Microsoft's .NET and WPF. WPF is a new display technology that's much more graphical, and not like the old Win32 system with GDI. It's possible this is where you're seeing the performance problem.

Stephen Matthew Friend

Hi Chuck:

I also experienced Logos 4 being slow in Fusion 3. My specs are similar to yours (4 gigs ram, snow leopard) except that I am using WIndows 7.

You don't say but I assume you are using a virtual machine (file) vs. using fusion 3 with a boot camp installation.

I have much better performance after installing Windows using a bootcamp installation. VMWare Fusion 3 will then allow you to use the bootcamp installation (instead of a large file). The performance seems to be much better now when I run Windows in Fusion. That being said, I am typing this after booting directly to my bootcamp partition... and its faster than accessing the bootcamp partition through Fusion.

So speed wise:

Slowest speed: Fusion accessing Windows/Logos 4 that was installed in a virtual machine.

Medium speed: Using Fusion running in Snow Leopard to access Logos 4 on a bootcamp partition.

Fastest speed: Booting to a bootcamp partition and running windows "live" and not within Fusion or Parallels.

iamk

Wow. I was coming on the forum to find out what in the world was wrong. It's not very useful when I use it through a virtual machine in VMware fusion. Its way too slow. So, it sounds like based on Bob's note above, this will not be fixed since its an architectural/programming issue. So, I have to use my pc at work or use the L4 alpha or use the Logos 1.2 for mac version. I feel like this keeps getting worse. I removed L3 from my virtual machine to make room for L4. Now, I sorely regret doing that.

sigh...

J.R. Miller

Wow. I was coming on the forum to find out what in the world was wrong. It's not very useful when I use it through a virtual machine in VMware fusion. Its way too slow.

I ran on VMWare 1.0 the whole way through beta for the past 7+weeks. It was a bit sow at times, but perfectly usable. Others have had good experiences as well once they adjusted their VMWare settings. No need to give up, just find some info on how to do the right setup.

Wes Saad

I've had the same trouble but there is a way to speed things up:

In VMWare Fusion go to the virtual machine settings and disable 3d acceleration, then within your Windows OS open display settings, click advanced, go to the Troubleshoot tab and click Change Settings. Drop the Hardware Acceleration slider way down. This should improve performance quite a bit.

shane blyth

A PC is..simply a personal Computer

A Mac is a PC, same as an IBM is a PC. or an Acer

I know you where just being smart but but a little clarity on the subject may help.

The only difference is the operating system

A correct answer would of been.. Please install Windows OS on a native (Bootcamp) partition and boot that way.

Don't use Virtualization. (actually on a side note just tried Parallels 5 VM and is notably faster than Fusion 3 VM)

I have a friend that uses an Apple Mac computer (MacbookPro and only runs WIndows OS they dont run OS X at all.

Sorry I just have to explain what a PC actually is. People don't get sucked into thinking otherwise. Feel free to buy an Apple Mac and install Linux and nothing else.

Feel free to Buy an IBM and install Linux as well.

A PC is NOT Windows, it's is a hardware platform based on the X86 Chip hardware and not dependent on what OS you install. There are dozens to choose from.

Chuck Lindsey

Thanks guys... Joe do you have any recommended settings? Or is that listed somewhere?

Thank you.

Rich DeRuiter

Some education for A PC is..simply a personal Computer

I bet those "I'm a PC and I'm a Mac" commercials drive you nuts.

BTW, I agree that you're technically right. But I think I followed common usage. Or, you spoke classical and I spoke koine. Or... nah, I'm out of metaphors.

J.R. Miller

Joe do you have any recommended settings? Or is that listed somewhere?

I would do what Chris said. Unfortuneatly, I am not a pro at using VMWare. I installed it ONLY to Beta test, only ever used 1.0 because I did not need to upgrade, and I took it off as soon as Beta was done so I could make room to Alpha test the Mac.

I have asked that Logos post an official FAQ based on user experience, but I know they are busy. Wish I could be more help brother.

Blessings,

Joe

shane blyth

The problem is common usage is wrong and cause confusion.

Example I am buying an iPod yet you are buying a music player like a Sony that plays MP3's and other various formats. You go to the store and ask for an iPod and get sold what the person wasnt asking for.

On a side not I just installed Paralles 5 I have VMWare Fusion 3 as well. Running Windows 7 in a virtual machine and I am finding Paralles runs Windows 7 noticable smoother and faster than Fusion 3.

An example is trying to scroll a passage , smooth on Parallells 5 Win 7 combo. slow on Fusion 3 with saem Virtual Machine image of Win7

Spec on PC (wink) is MAcbook Pro 2.33ghz Core 2 Duo with 3 gb of Ram. VM are setup to use both cores and 50% of Ram in VMWare. Parallels seem to make it own mind up so I dont know what the actual setting are.

Matt Barker

I ran on VMWare 1.0 the whole way through beta for the past 7+weeks. It was a bit sow at times, but perfectly usable. Others have had good experiences as well once they adjusted their VMWare settings. No need to give up, just find some info on how to do the right setup.

Wish I had the same experience; Logos 4 Indexer crashes at every boot up of my VM (using VMWare Fusion 3/XP on a new Macbook Pro). I have allocated plenty of resources, followed the suggestions above (found them in the original blog post), but Indexer still crashes every time it starts. I guess I can try it in Boot Camp, but really didn't want to go that route. I can't wait until the Alpha turns to beta, rc, then final release. In the mean time, I think I'll go back to using 1.2.2 as my primary tool. This is just way too frustrating and is drawing my focus away from why I am trying to use the software in the first place.

Reuben Evans (Faithlife)

I would recommend installing windows in a bootcamp partition and then letting Fusion access it. If you have the HD space don't delete your VM until you test this config. Also try using 2GB of RAM instead of 3GB, it can actually be faster. Bob's comment about WPF and Fusion is right on. Check the forum's on VMWare's site about graphical issues with Fusion and 3D acceleration and WPF apps from Microsoft. You can also try to disable 3D acceleration and see if you get better performance. Sounds weird, but it can help. Still the best config is bootcamp (with XP or 7 NOT Vista).

Wes Saad

Still the best config is bootcamp (with XP or 7 NOT Vista).

I've had no problems with Vista.

Reuben Evans (Faithlife)

Are you a Macbook Pro with multi-touch like the OP? We've seen issues with the drivers for the multi-touch trackpad with the drivers that came with 10.5. There are some things you can do to make it a bit better. But the trackpad works fine in XP and 7 (not officially supported), with the drivers that came with 10.6 (haven't tried 10.6/Vista/Fusion3 - with a multi-touch trackpad).

Alan Gerling

That helped a bit, but it's still running really slow.

Alan Gerling

Sorry, that was in response to Chris. I'm actually running XP in a VirtualBox inside of Ubuntu. By the way, VirtualBox was a marked improvement from VmWare, so you might try that (http://www.virtualbox.org). I'm curious if a Windows 7 virtual environment would work better.

Reuben Evans (Faithlife)

Alan,

was virtual box an improvement over Fusion 2 or 3?

Alan Gerling

Actually, this is a little frustrating. Tried a couple of other things, but it honestly looks like it's just having trouble accessing the information quickly. I had never been one to cry for a linux version because I was happy running Libronix in a Windows Box, but I'm starting to wish for cross compatibility. Maybe someday when they do something browser based (or when the Google OS based on Linux comes out and changes the market share)