Where is the print command?
I cannot find any way to print a selection of text without cutting and pasting into a Word Processor. Help! I use this all the time in Logos 3. Why would they remove this command?
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MichaelHixson said:
I cannot find any way to print a selection of text without cutting and pasting into a Word Processor. Help! I use this all the time in Logos 3. Why would they remove this command?
well...they haven't removed it....they just haven't included it yet :-)
http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures
Bob has spoken up on this one so if you want to here what he has to say you can search the forum.
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It is a programing tool issue. They are planning to add it back in 1Q 2010.
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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MichaelHixson said:
I cannot find any way to print a selection of text without cutting and pasting into a Word Processor. Help! I use this all the time in Logos 3. Why would they remove this command?
You will not like my answer - but there is no print command. Also, you cannot copy and paste from a search report at all. Printing is promised at some future time, but not yet. Apparently the powers that be do not do much printing on their own machines so they made it a lower priority than many of us would want,
As many of us have discovered, we are really working with betaware. I like many of the features that I see, though some that I use regularly are not there and some works differently. The long term beta testers suggest that it will grow on us - I guess it will have to since this is the future of LOGOS.
Blessings,
Floyd
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Floyd Johnson said:
As many of us have discovered, we are really working with betaware.
No offense to you personally Floyd but this particular insinuation is really starting to chap my hide.
The statement that "since they didn't give me the specific features that I wanted most..then this is just betaware" is just annoying.
Would you feel better if they stopped today and said "This is V4...what it has today...that's it...like it or not" ?
The fact is...v4 is not the upgrade from v3...it's a standalone...anyone not happy is welcome to stay with v3...just like many have stayed with v2 instead of going to v3....
Robert Pavich
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Floyd Johnson said:
The long term beta testers suggest that it will grow on us - I guess it will have to since this is the future of LOGOS.
I am wondering if the Logos team currently has too many irons in the fire. I think they are doing a commendable job with them but with L4, the Iphone App, Mac, and it seems they are working on a Web interface as well...with all the hardware server and licensing work they need to put up there's a lot going on in Washington state. I think in the end we will be glade they worked on these side by side. That way each thing we get is not a "how can we make this work with what we've already made" but rather "how can we make all this work together." If Logos put out L4 for PC then started working on L4 for Mac 1)how many years would Mac have to wait 2)would L4 Mac and L4 PC be syncable in the end. This all has to be balanced with Logos needing cash inflow to make it all work. In the end we get a far superior and ambitious product. For now we have to live with a product that isn't quite as superior over everyone else then it could be, but IMHO superior none the less.
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[quote]Also, you cannot copy and paste from a search report at all
Almost true but not quite - You can copy and paste a verse at a time if you use right click on the reference in grid view (why only in grid view I have no idea?), and also you can do the same with the results in the word study guide.
I definitely feel your frustration on the whole copy and paste thing - This is an essential tool - other missing features you can work around, but this effects everyday use.
Here are a couple pics:
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While sarcasm may make you feel better, it does not promote understanding. This is not why the print feature was delayed. No one is "happy" to have it missing, but it will be here in the first quarter of 2010.Floyd Johnson said:Apparently the powers that be do not do much printing on their own machines so they made it a lower priority than many of us would want,
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Robert Pavich said:
Would you feel better if they stopped today and said "This is V4...what it has today...that's it...like it or not" ?
The fact is...v4 is not the upgrade from v3...it's a standalone...anyone not happy is welcome to stay with v3...just like many have stayed with v2 instead of going to v3....
Hi Robert,
I believe that you have hit the nail on the head. The fact that the program is called "4", specifically implies that this is an upgrade to "3".
Users would feel better if they were told, from the beginning, that this program has very little to do (other than resources) with what they have been using for years. And also not to expect any particular feature to be part of the program.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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I think the responses to Floyd's post are unnecessary. Unfortunately, it follows a common pattern I have observed on here and the newsgroup.
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bottom line is that we are customers who have paid for a product. We
all have different expectations for what we use our resources for...and
it should be fine to express those expectations and even frustration
when those expectations are not met. Even though Logos provides a
service - it isn't free. Its a tool for which we pay with money for which we
are supposed to be good stewards.You can have your hides chapped all you want or you can
criticize someone for sarcasm but at the end of the day, you are not
their father and it is ludicrous to see so much posturing and lecturing
on a Christian forum. None of you know this person's heart or tone
through 2 dimensional text on a monitor.Let's stick with the topic at hand and if someone doesn't have
the same exalted view of Logos as you do, then don't take it personally
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Paul Golder said:
I believe that you have hit the nail on the head. The fact that the program is called "4", specifically implies that this is an upgrade to "3".
Users would feel better if they were told, from the beginning, that this program has very little to do (other than resources) with what they have been using for years. And also not to expect any particular feature to be part of the program.
I suggested in Beta that they change the name of the product, as another Windows bible software company did, to avoid the implication that this is an upgrade.
v4.0 tells us that this is the same product. An "Upgrade Now" feature on the website tells us that this is the same product.
Perhaps everything should have been "Crossgrade"
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Joe Miller said:
Obviously I hit a nerve. Good. I will let you continue with childish posts. I don't have anything else to say on this subject. I very clearly made my point and you demonstrated it well. Thank you.
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Damian McGrath said:
I suggested in Beta that they change the name of the product, as another Windows bible software company did, to avoid the implication that this is an upgrade.
v4.0 tells us that this is the same product. An "Upgrade Now" feature on the website tells us that this is the same product.
I agree. Even though the architecture has changed and there are clear interface changes, this is more like a 3.5 type of product.
I can see how 3.0 is the equivalent of Windows XP and many people were used to and mastered XP and were hesitant to let it go.....and I think Logos 4.0 has turned into Vista for some of us. We all expected Vista to be much better and in some ways it was better at some tasks than XP - but it was a fill in until Windows 7 arrived.
Same thing with Logos 4.0. I think a lot of folks will keep 3.0 on their machines and use it primarily for heavy research until 4.0 is fully rolled out and the functionality we are used to accompanies it next year. I think when they get all their projects done in the next year, then we will have a true Logos 4.0 version - and we will feel like we can kick "XP" to the curb.
I can't wait for that day.
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R.M. said:
Obviously I hit a nerve. Good. I will let you continue with childish posts. I don't have anything else to say on this subject. I very clearly made my point and you demonstrated it well. Thank you.
Que the eerie twilight zone music...[8]
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Come on everybody! Wait a few months for Logos 4 to get fine tuned. Noah was in the Ark longer than that. [st] When Vista shipped, everybody had to buy new peripheral hardware because there were no compatible drivers to run anything.
This sounds like the Mac user base complaining the Windows user base gets served lunch first in the cafeteria line. Well, somebody has to get served first. It makes more sense to accomodate the biggest user base or the problem most easily addressed. Your pet feature may be next in line. [^]
The truth is, Logos 3 is better than any other Bible software out there. Logos 4 is neck & neck with it and promises to pull ahead. I much prefer Logos 4 user interface. I look forward to it matching Version 3 in PBB since many have published great content that is never likely to be published by Logos. Many users prefer Version 3's interface. Praise God we have a choice! [co] [}] [{] [co] And yes, a print function would seem very basic. They say it is coming. Just log off the forum and keep using Version 3.0f and come back next Spring. You will have lost no functionality and saved yourselves a lot of stress. [^o)] [8o|] [:@] [:(] [:'(] [:$] [6]Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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R.M. said:
Even though the architecture has changed and there are clear interface changes, this is more like a 3.5 type of product.
I can see how 3.0 is the equivalent of Windows XP and many people were used to and mastered XP and were hesitant to let it go.....and I think Logos 4.0 has turned into Vista for some of us. We all expected Vista to be much better and in some ways it was better at some tasks than XP - but it was a fill in until Windows 7 arrived.
Same thing with Logos 4.0. I think a lot of folks will keep 3.0 on their machines and use it primarily for heavy research until 4.0 is fully rolled out and the functionality we are used to accompanies it next year. I think when they get all their projects done in the next year, then we will have a true Logos 4.0 version - and we will feel like we can kick "XP" to the curb.
I can't wait for that day.
I was going to cut what you said down, but thought that would be unfair to you. However, I think describing L4 as a "3.5 product" is a little harsh. To be honest, I really thought that 3.0 was really more of a 2.5 since it was the same obvious base as Libronix 2.0 and 2.1 with some significant syntax features added, but this is a complete, blank page rewrite. This qualifies as a major version change.
That said, while there is a lot of good here, it is almost a 4.uhoh release. I DO look forward to a 4.1 that fixes the bugs and rough edges.
Unfortunately, one of the worst features of 4.0 is the installation experience. While the artwork for this improved a bit over time, the experience as a whole has not. In fact, I would argue that it has gotten worse now that it DL's new copies of just about everything before it does anything. While installation of Libronix was hardly fast, it was much more usable right when you got the box home from the store. Now you have to wait with your computer tied up for about a day before you can see what you spent your money on.
I understand the technical reasons for this but I am actually quite sympathetic to users who have no idea what they are in for when they start the process. One of my first comments to the beta was "Indexing speed was not as fast as I hoped with my real library, but not as bad as I feared. Basically it took overnight. I suppose I can live with it, especially since it can use the OLD index while creating a new one, but the production version must include an index for the standard collections. People who get the box will want to play with it without that much wait."
I do have some serious disappointments with the release version. Basically Logos promises that they will be taken care of within a year. I do think they have the base to do it, but it is NOT finished.
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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LOL, I hear it playing now [8]Robert Pavich said:R.M. said:Obviously I hit a nerve. Good. I will let you continue with childish posts. I don't have anything else to say on this subject. I very clearly made my point and you demonstrated it well. Thank you.
Que the eerie twilight zone music...
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Ken - maybe 3.5 is a little harsh - you may be more correct than I, but I think the overall analogy stands.
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Joe Miller said:
LOL, I hear it playing nowRobert Pavich said:R.M. said:Obviously I hit a nerve. Good. I will let you continue with childish posts. I don't have anything else to say on this subject. I very clearly made my point and you demonstrated it well. Thank you.
Que the eerie twilight zone music...
Me too. Ironic.
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Software development for IMPORTANT programs has always pushed hardware upgrades. I can't recall a time in the past 20 years where that has not been the case. And since Logos is probably my most important software, it only makes sense it will push the envelope a bit.Matthew C Jones said:When Vista shipped, everybody had to buy new peripheral hardware because there were no compatible drivers to run anything.
It also makes sense from a development standpoint. When we went through the Beta process, the program changed a lot based on our input. Now if Logos was paying two teams to make the same design and then pay 2 teams to make the same changes, that would be a huge cost. It already cost over 1 MILLION dollars to develop this software so the more they save with a staggered development, means more money that goes into smarter development of the Mac product.Matthew C Jones said:This sounds like the Mac user base complaining the Windows user base gets served lunch first in the cafeteria line. Well, somebody has to get served first. It makes more sense to accomodate the biggest user base or the problem most easily addressed. Your pet feature may be next in line.
Two great observations on your part brother!
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Joe Miller said:
It already cost over 1 MILLION dollars to develop this software so the more they save with a staggered development, means more money that goes into smarter development of the Mac product
So the Mac users can rejoice that the boo boos learned on the Windows side will be finessed out when they get it. (Oh, they already got it? With boo boos?)
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Maybe with a few "black and blues" too Matthew. [;)]Matthew C Jones said:Joe Miller said:It already cost over 1 MILLION dollars to develop this software so the more they save with a staggered development, means more money that goes into smarter development of the Mac product
So the Mac users can rejoice that the boo boos learned on the Windows side will be finessed out when they get it. (Oh, they already got it? With boo boos?)
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