Lowest Cost Android Tablet running Logos Beta

Steve Timpson
Steve Timpson Member Posts: 15
edited November 21 in English Forum

I am trying to make a purchasing decision on a tablet for using my Logos Library.  And to become a bit more knowledgeable for recommendations to friends/ other pastors/my congregation. I also am one of the people who looks after our diocese IT assets, so I do get a number of requests, and I have worked in the IT field so I am fairly able in the programing area.

My intention would be for a device to simply read all my library, and be portable.  For my serious study I don't see myself going away from my office PC and its three big flat screens.

One option is an ipad2 but that is a bit OT in this form.

Two other choices are:

1) "high cost" android device.  I don't find this too compelling as if I am going to spend the money close to a ipad, I would probably just get an Ipad.  Also I am hoping for a smaller solution...a 7 or 8 inch screen.

2) "low cost" android device.  I am finding that this option would probably require rooting the device, and then installing  Android market, and then Logos, but maybe not....

So my question is:

Who is running what low cost solution?

I am aware that the situation is far from static, as what will run might change as the beta is changed, and we move to a production package but I would like to hear about the current situation.

thanks, and many blessings,

Steve

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  • Ward Walker
    Ward Walker Member Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭

    I'm running L4Android on a Color Nook with an $8 MicroSDHC card that I installed Gingerbread on.

    I don't know of anything "full up" cheaper right now...for maximum cheap, buy a refurbished Color Nook.

    However, if you are willing to accept some interface issues, then perhaps the cheapest is a Nook Touch, rooted to run L4Android.  Check out the linked video to see what issues you'd have to accept.

  • Appears newegg has some 7" tablets => http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=2557&Tid=13681&name=Tablets&Pagesize=100&Order=PRICE

    ComputerWorld has low cost tablet article => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9219698/Flood_of_low_cost_tablets_expected_in_200_to_300_range includes some new tablets expected to ship soon (in time for Holiday buying this year).

    ComputerWorld also has a tablet database => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9217357/_i_Computerworld_i_s_tablet_database

    Apologies for Apple reference in Android forum (price comparison): refurbished iPad's => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad (currently first generation 16 GB Wi-Fi model is sold out with price now $ 299).

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Bill Moore
    Bill Moore Member Posts: 974 ✭✭

    Building on Ward's comment, a Nook Color 2 is expected to be released this month, and Lenovo has introduced a 7 inch, $199 tablet. I'm looking into this myself, and with the prospect of decreasing prices along with advances in technology, I don't see putting $500 to $600 into a tablet at the present time.

    One thing I do wonder is what does one give up in utilitizing Logos with a 7-inch display instead of a 10-inch display.

    Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

  • PL
    PL Member Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭

    I was at Best Buy yesterday and played with the 7" HTC Flyer.  I really liked it.  It's on screen keyboard is a lot more efficient and usable than iPad's.  However, it's in the same price range as the iPad.

    Peter

  • Jeff Miles
    Jeff Miles Member Posts: 58 ✭✭

    Consider buying a used tablet from a place like Craigslist. There are lots of people always trying to sell their tech from 6 months and a year ago so they an buy the latest. You can get some great deals that way. For example, a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7" can be had for around $200. That is an excellent Android Tablet which runs Logos really well. Nook Colors can also be purchased used for $150 or less if you keep your eyes open. You want cheap, then consider used. Let someone else take the initial depreciation hit. [:)]

     

  • Steve Timpson
    Steve Timpson Member Posts: 15

    Thanks everyone for your input.  I have tried several and am still strugling with the best one to run logos on.  I am finding I am  leaning toward a 7 or 8" as I find the 10" ones not too much more convenient than my netbook - even without considering cost. I really want something to read with in bed or while sitting in a corner somewhere.

    blessings

    Steve

  • Kyle Peterson
    Kyle Peterson Member Posts: 8

    I am also using the Nook Color w/ Gingerbread - been very happy with it.

  • John Tabor
    John Tabor Member Posts: 43 ✭✭

    Another thumbs up for the nook color, runs great from SD card. it is the same size as my bible.

  • David Pugh
    David Pugh Member Posts: 89 ✭✭

    I have a Nook Touch...Great for an e-reader of your logos books

  • Daniel Lee
    Daniel Lee Member Posts: 274 ✭✭

    Consider the Lenovo A1 - $199 new, should be available shortly.  This video gives some of the pros/cons of buying at that price range.

  • Bill Moore
    Bill Moore Member Posts: 974 ✭✭

    Consider the Lenovo A1 - $199 new, should be available shortly.  This video gives some of the pros/cons of buying at that price range.

    Thanks, Daniel. That really looks like a great option. It looks like there are about to be quite a few attractive 7" tablets under $250.

    Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

  • Kevin A. Purcell
    Kevin A. Purcell Member Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭

    If you can wait most people expect an Amazon tablet sometime in the next month or two.

    Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
    Brushy Mountain Baptist Association

    www.kevinpurcell.org

  • Bill Moore
    Bill Moore Member Posts: 974 ✭✭

    If you can wait most people expect an Amazon tablet sometime in the next month or two.

    That's true, but I'm wondering what separates the Amazon tablet from the Nook Color (isn't a Nook Color 2 about to be released?). Rumor has it that the Amazon tablet will be a 7" tablet with a forked Android OS. If the TechCrunch article is true, the Lenovo A1 that Daniel linked looks better to me. What do you think, Kevin?

    Edit: I see that the A1 price layout may not be quite as attractive as at first blush: $200 (8GB), $250 (16GB), and $300 (32GB).

    Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

  • Daniel Lee
    Daniel Lee Member Posts: 274 ✭✭

    If you can wait most people expect an Amazon tablet sometime in the next month or two.

    That's true, but I'm wondering what separates the Amazon tablet from the Nook Color (isn't a Nook Color 2 about to be released?). Rumor has it that the Amazon tablet will be a 7" tablet with a forked Android OS. If the TechCrunch article is true, the Lenovo A1 that Daniel linked looks better to me. What do you think, Kevin?

    I'm not Kevin, but here are the pros/cons in my mind of Amazon vs. another brand tablet.

    Pros

    Amazon: longer experience with hardware, better customer service, possibly better value (potential for free Prime, possible future book subscription option, etc), possibly simpler interface

    Lenovo/Archos/similar: good price, access to Android Market built-in, openness to easily access books from Logos, Kindle, Nook, Kobo, etc

    Cons

    Amazon: most likely rooting will be necessary to install Logos since the Logos app is not currently available in the Amazon App Store, rooting will probably break stuff or Amazon may block it, and the tablet will be very Amazon-oriented

    Others: possibly worse customer service/quality, older and non-customized operating system (Android 2.3, originally for phones, vs. newer tablet-friendly versions of Android), screen may not be as nice as the Amazon tablet (unknown right now)

     

    My long-term goal would be a tablet with a screen that could be backlit or not, depending on your environment, perhaps some combo of e-ink + LCD.  Amazon is supposedly working on it but likely would not release in the next six months, based on recent rumors.  So, the best options in my opinion for a cheap Logos reading device would be: 1) e-ink device that can be rooted to run Logos (right now, only Nook Touch), 2) tablet device that has support for the Logos app via the Android Market (something like the A1), or 3) wait and see what happens.

  • Bill Moore
    Bill Moore Member Posts: 974 ✭✭

    Hi Daniel. I agree with your assessment. I'm not sure I want to invest more than $250 in a tablet while the tablet market is in such a state of flux.

    One thing about Android and 2.x versus 3.x OS, do any 7" screen tablets use the 3.x Android OS?

    Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

  • Kevin A. Purcell
    Kevin A. Purcell Member Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭

    Amazon: most likely rooting will be necessary to install Logos since the Logos app is not currently available in the Amazon App Store, rooting will probably break stuff or Amazon may block it, and the tablet will be very Amazon-oriented

    You don't have to root a tablet to side load apps on an Android tablet. I installed the Logos app before it was in the Market without rooting on my Android devices. If Logos makes it available online and Amazon allows for non Amazon App Store apps, you will be able to install. That last IF is a BIG if.

    I believe an Amazon Tablet will be a high quality device with a lot more options for audio, books, video, and apps. When it comes out it will likely sell very well and draw apps to its app store that are not currently available in it with my guess being that Logos will be available.

    The problem with budget tablets is they are always a huge compromise when compared with the king of this space the iPad. I think the Amazon tablet will be an exception, unless you consider 7" a compromise over 10".

    When it ships I will be getting one to review it and will let you guys know how it works.

    Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
    Brushy Mountain Baptist Association

    www.kevinpurcell.org

  • Kevin A. Purcell
    Kevin A. Purcell Member Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭

    I'm wondering what separates the Amazon tablet from the Nook Color (isn't a Nook Color 2 about to be released?). Rumor has it that the Amazon tablet will be a 7" tablet with a forked Android OS. If the TechCrunch article is true, the Lenovo A1 that Daniel linked looks better to me. What do you think, Kevin?

    Edit: I see that the A1 price layout may not be quite as attractive as at first blush: $200 (8GB), $250 (16GB), and $300 (32GB).

    Those actually look pretty good considering that Android apps often take up less space plus you can add memory via microSD. That looks like a good value if it is fluid.

    My only frustration with a 7" tablet would be using the screen space for Logos with hopefully more robust features in the future versions of the app. I had a Nook Color and I liked it, but you had to root it to get it to run Logos. I'm hoping that won't be the case with the Amazon tablet.

    Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
    Brushy Mountain Baptist Association

    www.kevinpurcell.org

  • Bill Moore
    Bill Moore Member Posts: 974 ✭✭

    I believe an Amazon Tablet will be a high quality device with a lot more options for audio, books, video, and apps. When it comes out it will likely sell very well and draw apps to its app store that are not currently available in it with my guess being that Logos will be available.

    . . . .

    When it ships I will be getting one to review it and will let you guys know how it works.

    I'll look forward to your review.

    Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

  • Daniel Lee
    Daniel Lee Member Posts: 274 ✭✭

    Amazon: most likely rooting will be necessary to install Logos since the Logos app is not currently available in the Amazon App Store, rooting will probably break stuff or Amazon may block it, and the tablet will be very Amazon-oriented

    You don't have to root a tablet to side load apps on an Android tablet. I installed the Logos app before it was in the Market without rooting on my Android devices. If Logos makes it available online and Amazon allows for non Amazon App Store apps, you will be able to install. That last IF is a BIG if.

    I believe an Amazon Tablet will be a high quality device with a lot
    more options for audio, books, video, and apps. When it comes out it
    will likely sell very well and draw apps to its app store that are not
    currently available in it with my guess being that Logos will be
    available.

    The problem with budget tablets is they are always a huge compromise
    when compared with the king of this space the iPad. I think the Amazon
    tablet will be an exception, unless you consider 7" a compromise over
    10".

    When it ships I will be getting one to review it and will let you
    guys know how it works.

    Correct, but that assumes that you can get a current copy of the Logos for Android apk, which has been hit and miss whenever I've checked the beta download page.  And, like you said, that Amazon will allow sideloading - another big if. 

    B&N probably needs the media attention from "It is possible to put Android 3.7 on the Nook!" (caveat: there is no Android 3.7), so to this point it seems they look the other way.  But Amazon will likely get press regardless of whether the tablet can be hacked, and when the whole thing is built so they can get you to buy from them, their motivation is low for letting you circumvent that environment.  Especially when they've been putting the pieces together for months (e.g. the Amazon App Store) vs. launching the device and hoping people hop on board.

    I don't think it's quite far to put a device from Lenovo, B&N, or some decently established company in the same category as the random junk you can buy for $80-150 on eBay from unknown manufacturers.  Granted, Lenovo/B&N/Archos may not be backed by the same experience in device-building or customer support reputation as Amazon (B&N in particular is not so great with customer service, particularly phone support) but it's not like these are fly by night companies working out of a garage or warehouse, either.

    The bottom line is that there are several decent 7" Android tablets in the $150-250 range with solid capacitive screens, good resolution (1024x600), and reasonably fast processors.  There are also some reasonably priced contenders in the 10" range like the Asus Transformer, which may hit $300 again after coupons or price drops when the next batch of quad-core tablets comes out in the next few months. 

    Back to your original question, Bill, if you spend $200 today on a tablet, you should be able to sell it for at least $150 in a few months.  For example, the Nook Color was released as new for $249, but stayed at $180-200 used for quite a while.  iPads are even better, selling used for within 5% or 10% of their retail, and then within 20-25% after the next model comes out. So I'd get the use out of whichever tablet now and consider selling and upgrading around Black Friday or early next year if a better option becomes available.

  • Steve Timpson
    Steve Timpson Member Posts: 15

    Hi Daniel. I agree with your assessment. I'm not sure I want to invest more than $250 in a tablet while the tablet market is in such a state of flux.

    One thing about Android and 2.x versus 3.x OS, do any 7" screen tablets use the 3.x Android OS?

    The Acer Iconia Tab 7" 8 Mb is currently selling for $299 in Canada at Best Buy and Future Shop...dont know about the US.

    The only thing I am a bit concerned about is its advertised 5 hr battery life.

    It runs Android 3.2 out if the box.

  • Bill Moore
    Bill Moore Member Posts: 974 ✭✭

    Hi Daniel. I agree with your assessment. I'm not sure I want to invest more than $250 in a tablet while the tablet market is in such a state of flux.

    One thing about Android and 2.x versus 3.x OS, do any 7" screen tablets use the 3.x Android OS?

    The Acer Iconia Tab 7" 8 Mb is currently selling for $299 in Canada at Best Buy and Future Shop...dont know about the US.

    The only thing I am a bit concerned about is its advertised 5 hr battery life.

    It runs Android 3.2 out if the box.

    Thanks, Steve. I checked Best Buy online and it's $329.99 here. You're right that the battery life could be an issue.

    Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

  • Steve Timpson
    Steve Timpson Member Posts: 15

    Thanks everyone for your feedback.

    I have been trying several, mostly 7 inch tablets, and have been impressed by the Nook Simple Touch (the nook touch 2) which I got for $112.

    It is an e-ink device so it has outstanding battery life ( measured in days or weeks instead of hours)

    The refresh rate is very slow but as my intent is to read my logos books, I dont seem to mind so far.  The screen means that in well lit situations the readability is great, but you do need light, as there is no back light.

    To allow the use of the logos beta, you need to root it so that you can use the android market, but I have found once rooted, the device becoumes a great all round e-reading tool.

    I have installed, the Kindle app, left the B&N nook app, added Dropbox for my personal docs, Opera for reading the newspaper internet sites, and the king of the apps, the Logos beta for reading my Logos library.

    It is hopeless for any video - the you tube app does run!!, but there are no speakers for sound!  Games are a no go to, Angry Birds will run, but is not at all useable other than to impress your friends that it is actually installable, since the refresh rate makes it a bit like watching "moving pictures" by flipping hand drawn pages in a note book.

    The Nook Simple Touch is nothing like the color tablets, but in battery endurance, lightness, and readability in sunlight or bright light, and price,  it is excellent. 

    So far I have not found any glitches in the latest beta.  The app seems to run just as it did on the Iconia honeycomb 3.2 device, just more slowly of course.

     

  • Bill Moore
    Bill Moore Member Posts: 974 ✭✭
  • John Wells
    John Wells Member Posts: 16 ✭✭

    I agree about a 7" screen not being optimal for tablets. I'm quite happy with my recent acquisition of the Asus TF101 Transformer, which is powered by a dual-core Nvidea processor. At $399, it won't remain the cheapest for very long but it's still a couple hundred cheaper than an iPad.

    The Logos beta is fast and works very well on my Asus Tranformer Android tablet.

  • Kevin A. Purcell
    Kevin A. Purcell Member Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭

    Looks like a new low cost tablet leader is about to emerge with Amazon announcing their Kindle Fire tablet today for $200.

    Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
    Brushy Mountain Baptist Association

    www.kevinpurcell.org