For Sale: Pillar, Baker Exeg., Baker NT, BDAG, AT Robertson - $390

For Sale: $390 (45% off the academic price, which is $710 for these 5 packages)

5 fully transferable Libronix/Logos software packages, including the license for each package.
I will not break these into separate sales - will only sell all 5 together.

Pillar New Testament Commentary (8 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/details/2118
Academic price: $200 (lowest Logos price)

Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/details/2603
Academic price: $190 (lowest Logos price)

Baker’s New Testament Commentary, by Kistemaker and Hendriksen (12 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/details/1777
Academic price: $130 (lowest Logos price)

A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed. (BDAG)
http://www.logos.com/products/details/1687
Academic price: $150 (lowest Logos price)

A.T. Robertson’s Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research
http://www.logos.com/products/details/2479
Academic price: $40 (lowest Logos price)

If interested, write me at:
kedwards
(.at.)
gracechurch
(.dot.)
org

More about me:
http://www.gracechurch.org/about/leadership/

Once I receive payment via PayPal, I will pay the fee ($20) that Logos charges to transfer the licenses from my account to your account. You will then be able to download the files and licenses directly from Logos to your account - no need for me to mail you anything. If in doubt, call Logos customer service to confirm that one can do this. Please note that if you pay from a credit card on PayPal, you will need to pay the 2.9% fee that they charge for personal transactions. Paying from a bank account on PayPal does not result in any fees.

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J.R. Miller

Good thing you are not selling your MacArthur collection... you might get in trouble with your boss :-)

Wes Saad

Kevin,

If I had to guess... upgrading to Platinum? Other users might consider that it might be cheaper to upgrade to the Platinum library which includes all the listed resources (and more) than to buy this set... Cost me $280 to upgrade from Gold to Platinum given my existing library.

Just making sure users know what options are available before paying $390 for something they might be able to get cheaper.

Also Kevin, if you are in fact upgrading to Platinum (or beyond!), it might be worth considering that transferring these licenses away will increase your upgrade price since it takes into account any resources already in your library.

Or is it possible to upgrade then sell individually purchased books...?

Jon

Also consider this: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/3532/27361.aspx#27361

Kevin Edwards

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/27964#Comment_27964

This offer is best for someone who is Silver or lower, can't afford to upgrade to Gold, much less Platinum, but who really wants these specific packages.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/27967#Comment_27967

Will we have to wait until the first of the year to have the licenses transferred? I heard a rumor this was the new policy.

Rick Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/27992#Comment_27992

You did the same thing I did as far as upgrading - I have many of the same items for sale..

Hoping I can find a buyer!

Wes Saad

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29017#Comment_29017

Just strikes me as taking advantage of Logos - getting a discount, then selling the things that made you eligible for discount. We criticize politicians that double dip.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29025#Comment_29025

Just strikes me as taking advantage of Logos - getting a discount, then selling the things that made you eligible for discount. We criticize politicians that double dip.

Agreed. I really can't imagine Logos approving such sales.

Jack

Matthew C Jones

For Sale: $390 (45% off the academic price

Disgusting!

Now I understand why there is a moratorium on license transfers.

I am not a lawyer but I would be suprised if you did not just violate your license agreenent with Logos. I suppose they can cancel your use of their software now.

Since you know so well the Academic prices of these I would hazard a guess you got them as an academic user. Most specialized licensing forbids the transfer to others without them meeting the approval of the publisher.

I really hope Logos requires the proper increased compensation from you guys for benefitting from their generous credit towards an upgrade (saving about 90%) then running out hocking "your" software in the courts of the temple.

Go ask God about your conduct!

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29017#Comment_29017

You did the same thing I did as far as upgrading - I have many of the same items for sale

Notice you said you bought an "upgrade." The way that works is you get a discounted price for having bought the product previously. That makes "your" investment transfer into the new product and out of the old product. It is no longer yours if value was applied to your new purchase. It is like trading your old car in on a new car and trying to sell the old car to someone else when the car dealer now holds the title. It is illegal conversion of assets. Just because they may allow you to slap them on the cheek does not make it the right thing to do.

In the good ol' days whenever you upgraded they made you mail in the install diskette, user manual cover or something to prove you were entitled to the upgrade. The old software was then to be destroyed, not sold. Maybe Logos will have to go back to that method if this generation hasn't understood the concept.

Wilson Hines

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29057#Comment_29057

I'm sorry, but this is greed. Flat out greed. I hope you can sleep tonight.

Rick Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29038#Comment_29038

Wow...!

I think many of you have a HUGE misunderstanding either about their policy, or what we are talking about doing.

First, when I called Logos to talk about upgrading my library to a newer one, I asked about several books that I paid for SEPARATE then my base package that are now included in the base package. (For me the two big ticket items were "BDAG" and "Baker Exg.") I was informed that for me I was paying to upgrade from the Logos 3 to Logos 4 base packages, and my upgrade price was from one package to the other. Since the 2 items in question were paid for separate, and not part of the base package, it's as if I had 2 hard copies at the book at this point.

I CLEARY asked the rep if this was correct and he said YES (several times.) The main reason I wanted to upgrade was to have access to those 2 main resources that weren't in my first package. It would not have been worth it to upgrade if this wasn't true, because I already owned the two main reasons I would pay to upgrade for the new package. So when I called they rep said I could treat these two books as PHYSICAL books, and sell them as I wish (since they weren't part of the package), so based on what he told me I decided to go ahead and upgrade. I know what I paid for the first base package, and for what I paid for the upgrade, and there was NO WAY the upgrade price considered the fact that I purchased BDAG and Baxter EXG - no way. (plus the rep is the one that talked to me about all of this.)

Since I paid to upgrade the base package, anything I bought extra stands alone, it has nothing to do with the base package I owned.

I don't appreciate how some of you would just jump the gun and call people's integrity into question. I made the decision I made based on what I was told by the Logos rep. I had no idea I could even do this until the rep told me about how they "do it all the time" and how it was " no problem" since I basically owned two copies of these resources; one that came with my newly upgraded package, and the one that I paid for separate from my base package.

Before being so quick to point fingers at people, I would suggest showing a bit more grace, and asking questions about their specific situation - and if that person is in sin; point their error out in LOVE, and pray they would repent. I hope you don't minister to people the same way some of you treat people in these forums.

In grace and truth -

Rick

Kevin Edwards

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29057#Comment_29057

To calm everyone down, it was Logos themselves who suggested that I sell these packages, explaining to me the process necessary to do this. Academic prices are readily available to anyone from the Logos web site, and they are simply a reference point for the lowest price available from Logos for these products. A couple of these packages are available from Rejoice Software for a little less that Logos' academic price. I never said that I upgraded. And I'm not sure what formula Logos uses for determining upgrade prices, but the last two letters on your base package appear to have a lot to do with it. Please note that I am not selling a base package or a part one, but individual book packages that were purchased individually, and therefore can be resold individually.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29076#Comment_29076

EDITED:

Entire, long post was deleted because it was already properly linked in the 4th post of this thread.

Now we have conserved a little electronic space. [:^)]

Wes Saad

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29079#Comment_29079

Rick,

Some of the responses have made me cringe a bit. I don't think it is right to resell the resources, but still...

See the link Jon posted above, Bob's explanation of all this gives some good reasons why users should reconsider reselling their books.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29079#Comment_29079

I CLEARY asked the rep if this was correct and he said YES (several times.) The main reason I wanted to upgrade was to have access to those 2 main resources that weren't in my first package. It would not have been worth it to upgrade if this wasn't true, because I already owned the two main reasons I would pay to upgrade for the new package. So when I called they rep said I could treat these two books as PHYSICAL books, and sell them as I wish (since they weren't part of the package), so based on what he told me I decided to go ahead and upgrade. I know what I paid for the first base package, and for what I paid for the upgrade, and there was NO WAY the upgrade price considered the fact that I purchased BDAG and Baxter EXG - no way. (plus the rep is the one that talked to me about all of this.)

Maybe what your saying is right. I didn't here the call so I'll assume you are. I would encourage you to hold off selling these books until the dust settles. I would hate for you to be in the position of losing resources because of a mis-understanding or selling something to someone that they have trouble using because of a conflict in licensing. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying Logos is very busy and trying to get license issues like this resolved is not their top priority right now. There could be some confusion in the process.

Kevin Edwards

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29083#Comment_29083

The long text that you pasted was already linked to in post #4 of this thread.

Rick Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29087#Comment_29087

The entire reason I upgraded was because of the information that LOGOS told me. (It seems as if Kevin was told the same information.)

I don't work in digital publishing, I have no idea how it works; all i know is what I am told by the company that does deal in digital publishing. I don't know the rules, laws, ethics involved; I can only relay on what info I am given from the company I am doing business with. They are the one that told me, and Kevin, to do this.

Now if what the reps told me, and Kevin, is true then we are 100% in the right in selling the few resources that were not part of a package.

If the reps told us wrong info, either they a.) knew it was wrong, and told us that just to make a sale. So they would have to be liars, and simply telling us something they knew to be false just so we would "buy with them today" b.) They had the wrong info, or weren't aware what they were saying was wrong - either way, that has NOTHING to do with the character, and ethics of Kevin, or myself.

Wes Saad

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29093#Comment_29093

either way, that has NOTHING to do with the character, and ethics of Kevin, or myself.

Understood. Thanks for clearing things up with us busybodies. You did not have to clarify but did so anyway, thanks.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29079#Comment_29079

I don't appreciate how some of you would just jump the gun and call people's integrity into question. I made the decision I made based on what I was told by the Logos rep.

You were told wrong by the rep. The upgrade prices are different for each user based on the previously purchased titles they have registered in their account. I already purchased R.A. Torrey Collection, Baker NTC, and several other stand-alone pricey titles. I upgraded to Portfolio that includes about 5 "duplicates. My "individualized upgrade price is cheaper than yours." because they did in fact credit me a percentage of those purchases. I say a percentage because they are already discounting the whole package close to 90% off. Would you expect them to refund 100% of your previous purchase and let you repurchase that for 10%? Especially after selling you $31,000 in resources for a few grand? Alain Mashee addressed this percentage issue in another forum post earlier this week. I asked BobP what "duplicate" titles I still possess ownership of so as to avoid selling something he already gave me consideration for. Read his response posted in brown text above.

Even if it is not sin on your part to sell it, it is VERY bad form to walk into the Logos forum and advertise to sell it. This is worse than spam!

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29093#Comment_29093

I know Bob hates setting policies...

But could he make it an exception and prohibit the sale of resources through the forums. This is standard practice on many other forums...

(please note: I am not entering into the above discussion)

Kevin Edwards

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29096#Comment_29096

Yes, Rick, you and I must have talked to the same guy. We were told the same things by the Logos folks.

Rick Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29057#Comment_29057

Also Matthew, I'd be glad to send in my "diskette, user manual cover or something to prove [I'm] entitled to the upgrade" - I'm not selling anything that was on the base package. That would be theft. I'm selling items that I am getting no credit what so ever for. I'm not "double dipping", or am I getting anything "extra', nor is it "greed." - I am, however, being a good steward based on the wise [direct from the company] information, and advice I (and others) have received from the company we are doing business with.

Rick Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29101#Comment_29101

Matthew,

I appreciate your zeal, I hope God is using this to do great things!

While I think you are a bit wrong on some of your math, I digress. However; I would encourage you to re-read my post, because I did not "walk into the Logos forum and advertise to sell it." I said I was planning on doing the same thing. Same thing = selling the resources I was ADVISED by Logos to sell, not necessarily selling them on this forum.

(On a side note - I don't think it's "bad form" for Kevin to try to sell his resources on this forum, it sounds pretty smart to me. If Logos told him (and me) to sell them, what better place to find buyers then a forum filled with users of the software?)

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29104#Comment_29104

Also Matthew, I'd be glad to send in my "diskette, user manual cover or something to prove [I'm] entitled to the upgrade" - I'm not selling anything that was on the base package. That would be theft. I'm selling items that I am getting no credit what so ever for. I'm not "double dipping", or am I getting anything "extra', nor is it "greed." - I am, however, being a good steward based on the wise [direct from the company] information, and advice I (and others) have received from the company we are doing business with.

Well Rick & Kevin, Logos might have to honor their rep's mistake. The whole thread I quoted BobP's answer from has been addressing this issue all week. I was told the upgrade price did take into consideration those stand-alone purchases that were bundled in the larger package. If you were told different, especially by a Logos Rep, I apologize. Maybe you two are too busy ministering to be aware of the software industry's upgrade practices. I'm a meek and lowly Mephibosheth dining at the table of the king (on the menu is Portfolio, yum) I apologize for being so passionate about perceived wrongs against someone who has been so kind to me (Logos.) I will try not to take up offenses or quickly accuse an Elder. I still think it not appropriate to run sales ads here.......

Rick Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29123#Comment_29123

Also, you may want to call and speak to a rep again. I know they have told this to many people. (In fact if you call right now, they will tell you the same thing Kevin, and I told you.) So they are still telling customers this. I'm surprised Logos would be telling so many people a lie, it doesn't seem like a company that would tell lies to customers in order to gain sales.

(Also, I can't speak for Kevin, but I'm not an elder at my church.)

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29123#Comment_29123

I still think it not appropriate to run sales ads here.......

I'd rather not see them here, it just seems like the wrong place. I'm not saying it's a moral thing, just a personal preference.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29129#Comment_29129

Also, you may want to call and speak to a rep again. I know they have told this to many people. (In fact if you call right now, they will tell you the same thing Kevin, and I told you.) So they are still telling customers this. I'm surprised Logos would be telling so many people a lie, it doesn't seem like a company that would tell lies to customers in order to gain sales.

(Also, I can't speak for Kevin, but I'm not an elder at my church.)

Well I have calmed down now.....[:|] As Brother Milford says "Peace" [W] and [:D] "Joy"

I will call Logos. Maybe I was told incorrect info. I hope you understand my impassioned response. When I have received nothing but good from this company it hit me the wrong way. Kind of like when @ccord@nce users come here and bad-mouth Logos.

May God give me the grace to be like my mature Brother Milford, "Peace" and "Joy"

Kevin Edwards

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29142#Comment_29142

Concerning my advertising the sale of these Logos resources in this forum, it was the Logos folks who recommended that I do this. So, not only was the procedure of how to sell, but the place to sell these was also explained to me by the Logos folks. As pointed out in the first post in this thread, please call the Logos folks if you have any questions about this, and they will tell you exactly what they told me (and Rick).

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29274#Comment_29274

Concerning my advertising the sale of these Logos resources in this forum, it was the Logos folks who recommended that I do this. So, not only was the procedure of how to sell, but the place to sell these was also explained to me by the Logos folks. As pointed out in the first post in this thread, please call the Logos folks if you have any questions about this, and they will tell you exactly what they told me (and Rick).

Still not entering into the debate about the resale....

But, I'm sorry to hear that the forums may become a place where items are put up for sale...

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29276#Comment_29276

But, I'm sorry to hear that the forums may become a place where items are put up for sale...

Not getting into the above debate either, but I do agree. I hope this does not become the sales forum. Create a separate forum so I can ignore all sales threads Logos and then send all donated licenses directly to me :-)

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29292#Comment_29292

It's not a debate anymore.

I don't own the forums either.

I do think there is a communication breakdown in the Logos ranks.

What I think doesn't really matter.

I'd love to have been told wrong and permitted now to sell my "duplicates."

Done with this one......

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29307#Comment_29307

Wow! There sure were a lot of assumptions and prejudgments made about the author in that first page!

A private message or email would have been a better way to address some of those concerns about what the author is doing than posting in a public forum and hijacking his For Sale thread.

Bob Pritchett

Kevin and Rick,

I'm very sorry for the confusion, and that I wasn't on the forums sooner.

It appears someone at Logos has misinformed you. (It's our fault. We have 175+ people and sometimes it is hard to get everyone on the same page.)

As I've explained at great length in another topic, we price the upgrades to reflect the earlier purchases. We try very hard not to make policies, and to be able to stay flexible to meet our customers varied needs and circumstances, but that's what leads to the confusion sometimes.

I will be talking with the sales team tomorrow to make sure everyone's on the same page. After I've talked with them, I'd be happy to talk with you directly about what was promised to you, etc.

Please remember that these "problems" are a result of our trying to continue to add value for new users -- including you, when you make new purchases. It's logistically easier for us to simply "sell you up" to the new collection, instead of running the massive database task of building a custom "your upgrade contains" collection for every single user's unique collection. But if that's what it takes to kill this idea that people are getting "two licenses", then maybe we'll have to do that.

We have to pay publishers royalties. We have a single title, for example, with a $56 royalty in it. When a user who purchased that separately, say, for $100, buys a $350 upgrade to a new large collection that contains it, we don't send a second $56 to the publisher. So if you resell your "separate" license from the $100 product, the book ends up with two people and the publisher gets paid once.

Now we could handle this on the server with, as I suggested, massive amounts of library analysis and the generation of custom upgrade collections for each user that don't include any title previously purchased, etc. But wouldn't you rather we put our coding time into the feature?

I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to share the understanding of the problem.

Possible solutions? Maybe we don't allow license transfers of anything included in the highest level you've purchased. And if you transfer first, and then upgrade, we remove from your discount collection anything transfered. (A lot of code, but doable. We'd have to record transfers as negative purchases, to have your records reflect not only what you'd spent with us, but what you'd "unspent" as well.)

Or we bite the bullet and change our marketing to clearly state that licenses are never transferable? It's actually pretty common -- most e-book platforms don't do transfers. We'd lose some customers, but?...

Or simply restrict license transfer to "all or nothing"? So you can retire and leave your investment to the new minister, or to your grandkid in your will, but can't sell it piecemeal?

What's fair?

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29337#Comment_29337

Possible solutions? Maybe we don't allow license transfers of anything included in the highest level you've purchased. And if you transfer first, and then upgrade, we remove from your discount collection anything transfered. (A lot of code, but doable. We'd have to record transfers as negative purchases, to have your records reflect not only what you'd spent with us, but what you'd "unspent" as well.)

This is the best, except for the cost of rewriting of your system.

Rick Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29334#Comment_29334

I agree.

Rick Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29337#Comment_29337

Bob,

It's not just one person, several of your sales reps have told LOTS of people this same information. In regards to your statement about not sending the publisher a second ($56 dollars) it seems as if you should. For instance in my case, my 2 resources did not give me anything off the price. It would have been the exact same price if I upgraded without having bought those 2 resources. So should I have sold my resources before buying the upgrade? (If so the rep should have told me so, instead of the false info, and I would have done it, as not to have wasted the money I spent on those resources that were recently purchased.)

So then I would have upgraded to the new package, paid the hefty fee, and it would of been as if I bought that book for the first time, thus the publisher would be paid a royalty. I can understand for books that are the same in both packages, because you are not "re-buying" those books, you are paying for all the new resources. In a case like mine, I mainly upgraded to get the resources I already had (which makes no sense to do since there isn't much else in that upgrade that is useable to me, unless I did what your rep said which was sell the 2 separate resources in question just like I would "any other book.") I would not have paid the price I paid to upgrade to access the random books that come in the new package that I will never use - it just isn't worth it.

Also, I"m not sure if you record phone calls, but if you do, you may be interested in pulling up the phone call, because the rep give me more then just a "little information." They told me it was "common" and then went on to explain the entire process to me. (Having me and my friend both call at the same time, and how you switch the license to his account from mine, etc, etc...) It was a pretty detailed conversation for someone who may have been misinformed. As many people who I know that have said they were told the same thing (and I can send out a tweet tomorrow and see how many more have gotten the same info) I'm surprised this is just now coming up. It seems the reps have been telling people this for a while; even before the Logos 4 upgrade.

None the less, if I'm not able to do what the rep on the phone told me I could do I would like to talk with you about what my options are, since a key factor in me paying the hefty fee for the upgrade was that I would be able to sell the 2 resources in question.

Rick Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29337#Comment_29337

"Maybe we don't allow license transfers of anything included in the highest level you've purchased. And if you transfer first, and then upgrade, we remove from your discount collection anything transfered"

I don't understand this. Why would you move from the new collection anything transferred? That doesn't make sense. For instance if I bought a gold package, Logos 4 - and then bought a BDAG for 100 bucks, and returned it a few weeks later because I didn't like how it key-linked, or something else, or perhaps gifted to a friend who wanted it, but couldn't afford it - then a month later you came out with Logos 4 and I decide to upgrade to the new Logos 4. I pay the upgrade price from Logos 3 to Logos 4, and it just so happens Logos 4 has BDAG in it. You are saying that you should delete BDAG out of my new LOGOS 4 package because I had it in the past, and sold it, gifted it, or returned it? What difference does that make on the package I have vs the package I'm upgrading to? I'm PAYING to upgrade to the new collection, EVERYTHING that's in it. If you take out something out of the new package we are buying, then we aren't getting what we paid for, since we pay for everything that comes on the list of products that says is included with the new package. (which is what you are saying you are doing for me and others that have resources we bought separate - you are basically taking them out of the new package we are buying.)

This is one of the reason I have trouble with electronic books. (Logos, Kindle, etc...). It's very confusing who OWNS the books. Recently amazon got into a lot of trouble by deleting 1984 off of people's kindle who felt that they owed the book, and even though it was a digital book, it should be treated just like a hard copy. (it certainly no cheaper) If I would had bought BDAG for 100 bucks, and later bought someone library and that library included BDAG I would have 2 copies of BDAG, but with it being electronic "books" there are so many loop-holes that make it unclear to the consumer what we are purchasing, and what is "ours." Then when things are unclear, we don't really understand our rights to the items we believe we are "purchasing" and then posts like this pop up. (You never see forums like this over hard copy books. You buy a book - you own it. It's very clear. It's not so clear when dealing with electronic books.)

I apologize for the tone of this post, but it's frustrating when you are unclear on your ownership rights, and you contact the only ones who you know you can provide you with clarity, and they give you misleading information. (And in the end the consumer has no idea if they info is right or wrong, I'd have to do tons of research to find out who is right, and what my ownership rights really are.) Things are just to unclear. (even the upgrade paths that I have heard are different prices for people with the exact same resources, different prices when calling in, different prices when logging into your account, etc. Just very unclear to me.

Again, you don't have these sorts of issues with printed books.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29368#Comment_29368

"Maybe we don't allow license transfers of anything included in the highest level you've purchased. And if you transfer first, and then upgrade, we remove from your discount collection anything transfered"

I don't understand this. Why would you move from the new collection anything transferred? That doesn't make sense.

That's not how I understood it when I read it. I was thinking discount collection is the collection of all licenses that would be used to calculate the discount amount for upgrade packages. And that made sense.

If he meant it how you understood it, then I'd have to agree that it doesn't make sense.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29337#Comment_29337

Possible solutions? Maybe we don't allow license transfers of anything included in the highest level you've purchased. And if you transfer first, and then upgrade, we remove from your discount collection anything transfered. (A lot of code, but doable. We'd have to record transfers as negative purchases, to have your records reflect not only what you'd spent with us, but what you'd "unspent" as well.)

Bob, thanks for reading and responding to this thread!

This option I copied above has the Logos "feel" to it to me. It's more like owning a physical book which the customer controls, not some totally DRM locked down resource that is in the control of the company, like Amazon's model.

This is something that has attracted me to Logos and I know many others as well. I have always assumed (and you have operated this way in the past) that Logos would allow us to transfer individually purchased books around as if they were physical books of which we were in control. Of course this doesn't apply to bundled titles that came in packages.

It may cost Logos some money in the short run, and you may end up not making as much on upgrades, but think about the customer loyalty you are gaining by treating us well! Happy customers refer others.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29399#Comment_29399

Bob, this problem is nothing a well written policy could not solve. there I said it... the "P" word. I know you hate it, but look at the carnage brother. Not to mention the Mac 1 vs. Alpha situation which has got me confused and unless you step in, people are only going to get grumpier.

See HERE

and HERE

Matt W

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29368#Comment_29368

The upgrade price could be dynamic per user. If someone wants to sell resources before upgrading, then that could cause the upgrade price to increase if those resources were part of the higher collection. So if someone sells BDAG, have their upgrade price automatically increase by $150. If that's too much work, then simply flag recent resellers ineligible for upgrade discounts within a certain period of time.

An easier option would simply to post what Bob stated on the upgrade page. It's not clear to everyone why a user is seeing 25% off instead of 15%. There should be an explanation below stating that this reflects redundancy in what the user has already purchased and what is in the offered package. Then state that selling current resources may cause the upgrade price to increase. Even if the code is not yet implemented to do this, the warning itself would be a deterrent.

The biggest loopholes in the reseller market are with the academic pricing. It would be easy for an academic user to make a profit selling off discounted resources. Academic users should not be allowed any transfers until 1 year out of the academic program. Furthermore, they should only be offered downloadable products that can tie the license key with their accounts.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29412#Comment_29412

So if someone sells BDAG, have their upgrade price automatically increase by $150.

Sorry to jump into the fray on this hijack of the guy's For Sale thread.

The upgrade price would only increase by some percentage of that $150. The money you spent on previous unlocks is not credited dollar for dollar to upgrade pricing. For BDAG on an upgrade to platinum your discount might be $20 or $25, just a guess. This is why it would be nice to be able to sell off individually purchased resources before upgrading to packages that include these resources.

EDIT: come to think of it, this would work two ways. Customers would be more likely to purchase individual resources that are not bundled in a package knowing that they could sell the resource in the future. I don't buy new cars because they lose so much value when they are driven off of the lot. It's the same with a Logos resource, if I know I'll only get a dime on the dollar credit when it comes time to upgrade I'm less likely to buy the resource. But if i can sell it to someone who is not able to upgrade and get more of my money back I'm that much more likely to spend money on individual resources.

Richard Crampton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/29413#Comment_29413

Bob, I have a feeling no matter which way you choose to address this issue people will be unhappy, myself included. But I think you need to do what's best for Logos in this case. Logos is a business and therefore needs to make a profit. If it doesn't make a profit then eventually it won't be there for its customers and they will lose what they have invested in resources. I know none of us wants that to happen.

Logos has always given me tremendous value for the dollars I've spent. Thank you.