What to buy this week (or push out of community pricing)

Admittedly, this week is not one where I have much of a direct interest, but the sooner we get these into pre-publication, the sooner new resources of more interest to me will enter community pricing or come to the top.

Sermons of the Late Edward Dorr Griffin (2 vols.) has already made it over ... so we have until noon Friday to bring the price down from the current $15
Classic Commentaries and Studies on Genesis (22 vols.) at $40 this is a steal. And Genesis and Exodus are so fundamental to understanding the entire Bible we should be embarrassed that this is still tettering on moving to development.
Theology: Explained and Defended (5 vols.) by Dwight, Timothy at a mere $4 per volume
The Expositor’s Bible (6 vols.) from its description should appeal to a broad group of Protestants
The Works of George Swinnock (5 vols.) - I don't know my Puritans but there's a constant request for more Puritan resources
A Dictionary of the Bible (5 vols.) help complete your Hastings set.

Or if you are a personal fan of my taste (all 3 of us - me, myself and I) you can support these excellent resources:

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Genesis (22 vols.) - see not everything I want is far from production
Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges (21 vols.) - so I'm trying to learn Greek, join me in my suffering
A Treatise on the Grammar of New Testament Greek
The Works of Myles Coverdale (4 vols.) by Myles Coverdale - where are all the Coverdale Bible fans? Okay, it's not included but it does have liturgy (The Order of the Church of Christ in Denmark), a tie-in to Erasmus which is shipping soon (Abridgement of the Enchiridion of Erasmus), hymnody (Ghostly Psalms and Spiritual Songs) to go with your cd ...
The Great Commentary of Cornelius à Lapide (8 vols.) by Lapide, Cornelius - commentary with a nod towards the Early Church Fathers

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William

so I'm trying to learn Greek, join me in my suffering

How about join me in mine for Hebrew

NB.Mick

Admittedly, this week is not one where I have much of a direct interest, but the sooner we get these into pre-publication, the sooner new resources of more interest to me will enter community pricing or come to the top.

Sermons of the Late Edward Dorr Griffin (2 vols.) has already made it over ... so we have until noon Friday to bring the price down from the current $15

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Genesis (22 vols.) at $40 this is a steal. And Genesis and Exodus are so fundamental to understanding the entire Bible we should be embarrassed that this is still tettering on moving to development.

Theology: Explained and Defended (5 vols.) by Dwight, Timothy at a mere $4 per volume

The Expositor’s Bible (6 vols.) from its description should appeal to a broad group of Protestants

The Works of George Swinnock (5 vols.) - I don't know my Puritans but there's a constant request for more Puritan resources

A Dictionary of the Bible (5 vols.) help complete your Hastings set.

Or if you are a personal fan of my taste (all 3 of us - me, myself and I) you can support these excellent resources:

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Genesis (22 vols.) - see not everything I want is far from production

Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges (21 vols.) - so I'm trying to learn Greek, join me in my suffering

A Treatise on the Grammar of New Testament Greek

The Works of Myles Coverdale (4 vols.) by Myles Coverdale - where are all the Coverdale Bible fans? Okay, it's not included but it does have liturgy (The Order of the Church of Christ in Denmark), a tie-in to Erasmus which is shipping soon (Abridgement of the Enchiridion of Erasmus), hymnody (Ghostly Psalms and Spiritual Songs) to go with your cd ...

The Great Commentary of Cornelius à Lapide (8 vols.) by Lapide, Cornelius - commentary with a nod towards the Early Church Fathers

Thanks, MJ -

interesting that you split your recommendation in two lists - the first appraisal reads a bit like "yesterday's rolls at half price" in the bakery, though.

In most of the CP advertising threads I find that I'm already in on all of the products since weeks, but this week it's different and your post made me wonder and look again (note that I changed bulleted to numbered lists for ease of reference).

First List - I'm in on #4 http://www.logos.com/product/8539/the-expositors-bible?utm_source=logostalk&utm_medium=blog&utm_content=textlink&utm_campaign=reccomm#001, since the description appealed to me as a protestant ;-) - and also, if there is at least part of the advertised value in the commentary, getting a set for the price of otherwise one book looks like a bargain to me. And did you see that it is featured in the blog about recommended commentaries for deuteronomy http://blog.logos.com/2011/10/recommended-commentaries-deuteronomy/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LogosBibleSoftwareBlog+%28Logos+Bible+Software+Blog%29 ?

And of course I'm in on #6 - since March (as in all of the Hastings dictionary sets)

I'm not in on the others - basically the value of sermon collections by (for me: unknown) people from days gone by is not automatically evident to me, thus I order these when someone brings information that raises my interest in the author or his works.

With respect to the "classic commentaries" bundles: you say 40$ is a steal - but then my reasoning for these bundles goes like this: these books may have been worthwile in their time, and probably there are some interesting things in there. But if so, I'd expect the good and extensive modern commentaries to pick this up as well. I have no research interest at the moment to do historic analysis around the development of ideas within a subset of protestantism - and if one of these bundles is worthwile, all of them are. Which makes 66 x 40 (at least) for a gatherer & collector, which looks less like a steal to me...

Rest of second list:

I'm in on all of these: #2 for the same reason you give (and it goes well along my CP-bought Cambridge Bible) - and #3 really is a steal at the current going price. #4 got my interest some time ago, and the #5 caters to my interest in the ECF and to broaden my evangelical vision into other traditions.

So, yes everybody, [Y] support MJ's very particular interests in the second list by putting in your bids (and don't forget the Expositor's Bible and Hastings)!

Mick

Ron

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Genesis (22 vols.) at $40 this is a steal. And Genesis and Exodus are so fundamental to understanding the entire Bible we should be embarrassed that this is still tettering on moving to development.

Can someone give me some more information on the "Classic Commentaries and Studies" collections? I've shied away from these largely because I don't recognize any of the names (or VERY, VERY few of them such as Henry Alford). What do these bring to the table that is DIFFERENT from the 29 Genesis commentaries (for example) that I already have in my library? I understand that they MAY be useful for looking up citations from more recent commentaries at some point in the future, though I have doubts that Logos will bother to go back and tag existing resources to link to these (I'd like to be proven wrong though). So what do these offer that I really need or want?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294133#Comment_294133

NewbieMick ... Kknight78 ... I guess I'm almost the opposite of you. And I'll apologize since this is strictly my own opinion.

But the late 1800s and early 1900s writings seem to have a LOT more than I find in my big-boy commentaries from more recently (WBC, Herm, etc). Right now my favorite writer is Westcott, not that I agree with him, but rather he puts more on the table for me to consider. He's also willing to say 'hey ... the greek has a problem ... I'm not even willing to commit to what I think' (how's that for honesty?).

What's even more interesting is that they 'talk among each other'. Again I was reading Westcott and wanted some papyri examples from MM. MM then led off with saying he couldn't solve Westcott's problem in the papyri. Meyer gets referenced a lot (though he's sitting in CP? now forever). Lightfoot luckily just came out; he gets REALLY wound up when he's sure of something. Last night, his language was so bad, I can't even copy it to the forum without making MJ unbelievably angry. How's that for being up-front as a commentary writer (I'm not advocating Lightfoot's emotions or beliefs).

Again, this is just my own observation, but as you move into the late 20th century, the writeups become somewhat bland, 'professional' and well ... boring. Whenever I move from commentary to commentary on a passage and hit Expositors or Ellicott, I know it's going to take a while. They rarely disappoint!

Finally, the Logos' grouping around a Bible book is good since you can see the whole discussion at once.

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294138#Comment_294138

What's even more interesting is that they 'talk among each other'. Again I was reading Westcott and wanted some papyri examples from MM. MM then led off with saying he couldn't solve Westcott's problem in the papyri. Meyer gets referenced a lot (though he's sitting in CP? now forever). Lightfoot luckily just came out; he gets REALLY wound up when he's sure of something. Last night, his language was so bad, I can't even copy it to the forum without making MJ unbelievably angry. How's that for being up-front as a commentary writer (I'm not advocating Lightfoot's emotions or beliefs).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not afraid of older/classic commentaries. I've got Lightfoot and some Westcott and I'm in on Meyer...but I'm wondering how much these "lesser known" old works are cited.

I do appreciate your explanation of the interaction and conversations between the contemporaries though.

Oldnewbie

Admittedly, this week is not one where I have much of a direct interest, but the sooner we get these into pre-publication, the sooner new resources of more interest to me will enter community pricing or come to the top.

Sermons of the Late Edward Dorr Griffin (2 vols.) has already made it over ... so we have until noon Friday to bring the price down from the current $15

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Genesis (22 vols.) at $40 this is a steal. And Genesis and Exodus are so fundamental to understanding the entire Bible we should be embarrassed that this is still tettering on moving to development.

Theology: Explained and Defended (5 vols.) by Dwight, Timothy at a mere $4 per volume

The Expositor’s Bible (6 vols.) from its description should appeal to a broad group of Protestants

The Works of George Swinnock (5 vols.) - I don't know my Puritans but there's a constant request for more Puritan resources

A Dictionary of the Bible (5 vols.) help complete your Hastings set.

Or if you are a personal fan of my taste (all 3 of us - me, myself and I) you can support these excellent resources:

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Genesis (22 vols.) - see not everything I want is far from production

Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges (21 vols.) - so I'm trying to learn Greek, join me in my suffering

A Treatise on the Grammar of New Testament Greek

The Works of Myles Coverdale (4 vols.) by Myles Coverdale - where are all the Coverdale Bible fans? Okay, it's not included but it does have liturgy (The Order of the Church of Christ in Denmark), a tie-in to Erasmus which is shipping soon (Abridgement of the Enchiridion of Erasmus), hymnody (Ghostly Psalms and Spiritual Songs) to go with your cd ...

The Great Commentary of Cornelius à Lapide (8 vols.) by Lapide, Cornelius - commentary with a nod towards the Early Church Fathers

MJ,

I'm in on all of the above, which explains why I'm broke right now. [:)] Seriously, though, I'm really surpised we don't have the whole KJV crowd in on Myles Coverdale. His connection to the KJV and William Tyndale I would think would have taken him over the top very quickly. Likewise, Edward Dorr Griffin (studied with Jonathan Edwards) and Timothy Dwight (Edwards' grandson) I expected to be more popular. Hastings' stuff is considered unique in terms of breadth and depth of academic content as far as I can tell (I'm including the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics http://www.logos.com/product/8495/encyclopaedia-of-religion-and-ethics ). All (including the ones I didn't mention) are very good library additions IMHO.

Oldnewbie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294084#Comment_294084

so I'm trying to learn Greek, join me in my suffering

How about join me in mine for Hebrew

I already did when I purchased the John Adams Hebrew Studies Collection (http://www.logos.com/product/6413/john-adams-hebrew-studies-collection ) on CP and Ewald's Hebrew syntax ( http://www.logos.com/product/6726/syntax-of-the-hebrew-language-of-the-old-testament ). [:)] However, when I see your avatar with the words "differential equations" it brings back memories that simply make me shudder. Now that's suffering...

George Somsel

Or if you are a personal fan of my taste (all 3 of us - me, myself and I) you can support these excellent resources:

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Genesis (22 vols.) - see not everything I want is far from production

Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges (21 vols.) - so I'm trying to learn Greek, join me in my suffering

A Treatise on the Grammar of New Testament Greek

The Works of Myles Coverdale (4 vols.) by Myles Coverdale - where are all the Coverdale Bible fans? Okay, it's not included but it does have liturgy (The Order of the Church of Christ in Denmark), a tie-in to Erasmus which is shipping soon (Abridgement of the Enchiridion of Erasmus), hymnody (Ghostly Psalms and Spiritual Songs) to go with your cd ...

The Great Commentary of Cornelius à Lapide (8 vols.) by Lapide, Cornelius - commentary with a nod towards the Early Church Fathers

That means there are 6 of us (add me, myself and I).

We need to have more bid on the Revelation collection at a $50 level to bring the peak price down to where others might wish to bid.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294084#Comment_294084

so I'm trying to learn Greek, join me in my suffering

How about join me in mine for Hebrew

Greek and Hebrew are simple – even the little children speak it. [:D] Now, Sanskrit is another matter – I don't believe it is still spoken though it has influenced other dialects (including Greek).

Jerry M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294171#Comment_294171

Greek and Hebrew are simple – even the little children speak it

If they are fluent in English also perhaps they can teach them to us.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294180#Comment_294180

Greek and Hebrew are simple – even the little children speak it

If they are fluent in English also perhaps they can teach them to us.

Yes, many today do need to learn English (but the pronoun should be "it" rather than "them").

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294138#Comment_294138

NewbieMick ... Kknight78 ... I guess I'm almost the opposite of you. And I'll apologize since this is strictly my own opinion.

Denise,

no need to apologize - that's what the forums are for. And maybe I wasn't clear enough in my posting. I'm very fond of old books, especially commentaries (bought beautiful crafted works from Adolf Schlatter that are over a century old, still hoping that Logos puts these works [in German or English] into electronic format). I believe CS Lewis was right regarding old vs. new books. And of course I'm in on Meyer and got my Lightfoot the other day.

I think, what I want to say is that not even in Logos I will have a complete library of everything written theologically (to borrow from another forum user's vision). And 40$ are 40$ and I can spend them only once - even though I invest a lot into my Logos library. The play-factor of CP makes it easy for me to overlook the total amount of dollars locked - I try to avoid looking at the summary lines of my orders page - and somehow Logos has sped up production of the titles very fast. The total dollars for old CP titles tend to crowd out dollars I'd maybe rather save up and spend on e.g. N.T.Wright, Donald Bloesch or on such things as Early Church Fathers or BDAG.

There must have been hundreds of commentaries on every biblical book (and millions of sermons printed) since Gutenberg invented the printing press. It seems that the big-boys from back then get their own collections - and not even one name in the Genesis collection stands out to me. Maybe I should test-run the concept of classical commentary collections and share your experiences, but the again I'm more an NT-guy (just put in a bid at going rate on the Romans and Galatians collections - there I can relate to the content and seem to recall some scholar's names, and I think they will need some time to go over the top anyway).

So, maybe all I'm looking for is an excuse to click "bid" - where is the reason to buy the classical Genesis set (and then probably follow with Exodus, Psalms, Job, Daniel, Luke, Romans, Galatians, Revelation and the rest that Logos will bring along for us) instead of spending the 40$ on another resource - I'm ready to be convinced, but give me an argument to justify it to myself.

Mick

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294186#Comment_294186

and not even one name in the Genesis collection stands out to me.

You should most certainly be familiar with Hermann Gunkel. He is one of the giants of the 19th century being the founder of form criticism.

Ben

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294191#Comment_294191

Ditto. I'm in, but primarily for Gunkel.

Hapax Legomena

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294196#Comment_294196

The Gunkel book is a classic.

Paul N

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294133#Comment_294133

Can someone give me some more information on the "Classic Commentaries and Studies" collections?

I put together a pricing suggestion post for all the Classic Commentary collections so far to make sure we were all headed in the same direction!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294171#Comment_294171

Now, Sanskrit is another matter – I don't believe it is still spoken though it has influenced other dialects (including Greek).

50 years ago there were still about 200 Vedic priest (including their family) who claimed to speak Sanskrit in their homes ... but they were dying out fast and professors emphasized the "claimed"[;)] The truth of the matter is that Sanskrit was never really a spoken language - Sanskrit literally means "confected" and is a grammatical blend of several Vedic dialects. According to Wikipedia "Today, it is listed as one of the 22 scheduled languages of India and is an official language of the state of Uttarakhand." But who doesn't want to claim the most prestigious liturgical language even linguists don't agree.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294133#Comment_294133

Can someone give me some more information on the "Classic Commentaries and Studies" collections? I've shied away from these largely because I don't recognize any of the names (or VERY, VERY few of them such as Henry Alford). What do these bring to the table that is DIFFERENT from the 29 Genesis commentaries (for example) that I already have in my library? I understand that they MAY be useful for looking up citations from more recent commentaries at some point in the future, though I have doubts that Logos will bother to go back and tag existing resources to link to these (I'd like to be proven wrong though). So what do these offer that I really need or want?

A few observations:

I am loath to label something as "classic" when it is not 400-500 years old.
There are only a few in each collection that I expect to be deemed as "classic" in the long run.
Each period has a set of "favorite" methods of studying Scripture.
I like to have a variety of time periods/methods in my commentaries

There are some of the classic collections that I am not even tempted to purchase. In the collections I want, it is usually for 2-3 volumes. Some of my interest is because some of the volumes were written by philologists - a field thoesn't even officially exist in contemporary US academics. Since I trained under a philologist in Buddhist Studies, I am interested in commentaries that take this approach. But here is what and why certain volumes in this collection interest me

Genesis: With a Talmudic Commentary, by Paul Isaac Hershon- I am always interested in the Jewish perspective; as this was written in an era not friendly to Jewish-Christian relations this should give an interesting historical perspective.
The Divine Names in Genesis, by John Skinner good Germanic scholarship on an interesting topic
The Legends of Genesis, by Hermann Gunkel important seminal work- you need to know it as much since has been polarized by his views
Types of Genesis, by Andrew Jukes typology has always fascinated me - in this case from the notes I don't expect to agree but expect it to be thought provoking
A Study of Augustine's Versions of Genesis, by John S. McIntosh An analysis of Augustine's Genesis is an interesting topic in which date of writing should have a strong effect on contents
Notes on the Hebrew Text of the Book of Genesis, by George James Spurrell - if my Hebrew ever gets beyond Job ...
Book of Genesis in Hebrew, with Various Readings, Notes, Etc., by C. H. H. Wright- grammar - I speak grammar - I'll need to actually see it to see if it has anything to add to my contemporary commentaries.

I suspect others who order the collection would make very different choices as to what they expect to find useful.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294286#Comment_294286

Notes on the Hebrew Text of the Book of Genesis, by George James Spurrell - if my Hebrew ever gets beyond Job ...

Surely you jest! Job is a very tough nut to crack no matter how good your Hebrew may be.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/294297#Comment_294297

Job is a very tough nut to crack no matter how good your Hebrew may be.

Well, er, eh , really...I'm of the school that defines knowing a language by it's presence in the bathroom so I figured Job was a better marker for this crowd. Seriously, in Hebrew, Greek or Latin if I want to try to decipher a bit on my own I stick to passages with repetition of vocabulary or parallel grammatical structures.