4.5 Beta 1 (v4.50.0.1142) shipping this afternoon
4.5 Beta 1 (v4.50.0.1142) will be available for testing this afternoon. Please read Important Change post about this beta.
To upgrade to Beta 1 when it ships, enter the *Update Now* command if you’ve switched to the beta channel before, or enter the *Set Update Channel to Beta* command if you're on a stable version (such as 4.3 SR-5). To install Beta 1 from scratch, see the notes and download link in this thread.
Installation Note: The Logos4Prerequisites.msi will be updated, which will require elevation. A few new and updated fonts will be installed.
See Release Notes: http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4.5_Beta_1.
Summary of what's new in this Beta:
Highlighting has been merged into Notes, and it is now easy to convert a highlight to a note and vice versa. Additionally, we've provided several new note indicator styles, including 'No indicator', as well as the ability to select any highlighting style for your notes. Because highlights are now stored in Notes documents, this also gives you more control over which highlights are displayed in your resources with the Visual Filters menu.
Once a user has updated to 4.5 Beta 1, during the beta period Favorites and Resource Position preference changes will not be synched to the iPhone/iPad application. Changes in 4.5 Beta 1 will also not be synched to Logos 4.3 or earlier versions.
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Yeehaw!!!!
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Yeah boy!
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desisions.. go to sleep or keep pressing F5 all night, LOL, early start for me tomorro (6am)
Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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"When highlighting is added to selected text a note will now be added to the active, open Notes document, or to the most recently active Notes document "
This brings in significant challenges:
1. Notes are often of a transactional nature with regular additions and deletions. This throws my highlights (which I often want to perpetually remain) at great risk.
2. Notes for a resource is fragmented into multiple note files.
3. What happens when some of the note files with highlights of a resource are deleted? It becomes a very messy scenario.
I would prefer logos managing highlights as probably one note file per resource that is NOT exposed to the end-user.
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Ben Vargh said:
"When highlighting is added to selected text a note will now be added to the active, open Notes document, or to the most recently active Notes document "
This brings in significant challenges:
1. Notes are often of a transactional nature with regular additions and deletions. This throws my highlights (which I often want to perpetually remain) at great risk.
2. Notes for a resource is fragmented into multiple note files.
3. What happens when some of the note files with highlights of a resource are deleted? It becomes a very messy scenario.
Yes this seems like it could become confusing and dangerous. Although it's not completely clear.
Ben Vargh said:I would prefer logos managing highlights as probably one note file per resource that is NOT exposed to the end-user.
I agree. But I'll withhold judgment until I try it out.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Danny Baskin said:
when to go to bed.. LOL
its 9pm here in UK - LOL - and i drive for a living, so my sleep is vital..maybe I let you guys get 24 hrs head start..
will be interesting to see how this new highlighting affects the visual filters..
think I may have to leave 1 machine in v4.3 tho - and pray its a short beta cycle [:D]
Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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Looks like a nice release. Improvements in the notes feature is a welcome addition to the world's greatest bible study software!
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HH, is that 144000 smileys? ( I didn't take time to count them)
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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haha...the funny thing is I actually counted the smileys and came up with 144. Thats kinda funny.
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downloading....[H]
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Lets see 12 smiles represent your Old Testament notes & highlighting -times- 12 smiles for your New Testament notes & highlighting = 144 smiles.
A perfect and complete joy.
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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here we go... wonderful! [Y][:)]
Bohuslav
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grrr....I had forgotten to change my channel back to beta....downloading now....
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My system won't sync.
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My system won't sync either...
This happened with the last beta release also. [:@]
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The old design was single-user oriented, so it was okay that there was no "highlight document."
The change is driven by several things:
- Support for mobile devices and web-presentation of notes/highlights (Biblia.com), which drove some technical changes.
- New use cases requiring multiple sets of highlighting on a single book. (You can search within a highlight, do the Search Analysis on highlights, etc.) This requires "named" or "document-like" highlight sets.
- Document sharing -- in the future you'll be able to collaborate on annotations, or let select individuals take copies of your annotations; this also requires named and manageable highlight documents.
We could have duplicated the whole notes file system for highlights, but people are also asking for highlighting capabilities on the selections to which they attach notes. So it just made sense to merge these things together into a single annotation system.
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Danny Baskin said:
My system won't sync.
Danny ~ If you have the yellow triangle in place of the sync icon, please attach the Logos4Error.log in your '\Documents\Logos Log Files' folder. If you also have logging enabled, please include the Logos4.log.
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Jeff Loven said:
My system won't sync either...
Jeff ~ Thank you for including a log in your other post.
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Melissa,
I think this is what you're looking for.
Thanks,
Danny
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Mmmm ... at the same time, the merging of the two systems in its first iteration anyway, is producing a lot of cross-talk and noise e.g. meaningless notes generated because of a multi-layered highlighting system that I use.
It also creates the need for workarounds like creating a "dump" file to hide all the highlighting notes in so they don't interfere with my intentionally created notes.
It also means that you have to create all kinds of new and potentially dangerous exceptions i.e. delete all notes except imported ones - might I end up losing my precious highlights by mistake? It's unthinkable.
I'm not too happy about this development - but maybe given time it will find mature into something which is less "noisy" and with less opportunity for data loss.
Thanks
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My system won't sync either
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Wow - Looks like a huge upgrade for the Notes users! Congrats, I'm looking forward to checking out the PBB updates, keep up the good work Logos!
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Ben Vargh said:
1. Notes are often of a transactional nature with regular additions and deletions. This throws my highlights (which I often want to perpetually remain) at great risk.
For me it is the reverse, my notes are permanent and my highlighting is usually temporary although I am getting into more permanent highlighting.
Ben Vargh said:2. Notes for a resource is fragmented into multiple note files.
My notes are generally organized by function rather than resource - a few exceptions of course.
Ben Vargh said:one note file per resource that is NOT exposed to the end-user.
I like the ability to access the note. For example, one of my highlighting palettes classifies texts by Berlin's scheme, another by Bratcher's scheme. The ability to add text adds some very useful functionality - however, I would want the note created by a highlight to be immediately presented to the user for editing.
However:
- I am not thrilled with clicking on the note symbol to get palette, style and fact it is highlighting in origin - I'd prefer to have the palette and style name to be shown in the note rather than clicking on the (default) gray box to see them.
- I prefer the use of the palette name to the note file name in the resource visual filter selection. It is the palette name that is descriptive of its use. Many palettes may appear in the same note file - and the presence of multiple palettes in the note file means one has loss control over the text display.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bob Pritchett said:
We could have duplicated the whole notes file system for highlights, but people are also asking for highlighting capabilities on the selections to which they attach notes. So it just made sense to merge these things together into a single annotation system.
I agree with your design choice. But notes still have a ways to go (Luke 18:1-8).
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Richard Lyall said:
the merging of the two systems in its first iteration anyway, is producing a lot of cross-talk and noise e.g. meaningless notes generated because of a multi-layered highlighting system that I use.
I think the fault is not with the current design, which still has some serious flaws, but with the fact that Logos 4 originally gave us a solution that was not compatible with the overall goals - multi-device & collaboration.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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My system won't sync since upgrading last night. Didn't realize it at 1st (busy with non-Logos stuff & didn't restart L4 after upgrade to 4.5 B1).
But we have a repeatable error (log attached).
Sync error.
Click Sync.
Repeat..Here's the log from today (old ones all deleted):
6562.Logos4Error.logGrace & Peace,
Bill
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Bob Pritchett said:
New use cases requiring multiple sets of highlighting on a single book.
Thank you! Effectively, this seems like it'll remove one of my last dependencies on L3... No longer will I have to use L3 for teaching, in order to allow classes to have highlights that are separate from any other use I may want to make of the same Bible resource. THANK YOU!
Now, here's hoping I'll be able to associate these highlight notes with (& auto-open only by) the layout specific to each class--and that if no highlight note is selected it'll mean no highlighting in the book. If it all works this way, I'm going to be one VERY happy camper!Re the design choice? I can & will learn to use whatever you use to provide the capability. Thanks again...
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Halo Hound said:
grrr....I had forgotten to change my channel back to beta....downloading now....
So did I... Right there with ya'.... [:$] [:#]
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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BillS said:
No longer will I have to use L3 for teaching, in order to allow classes to have highlights that are separate from any other use I may want to make of the same Bible resource. THANK YOU!
Yes this does open up a new world of flexibility Bill
BillS said:Re the design choice? I can & will learn to use whatever you use to provide the capability. Thanks again...
Great attitude and lesson for us all Bill. This will present its challenges no doubt because we are used to doing it differently, this will now force us to re-asses how we do things with notes and highlights, but the opportunity is there for positive outcomes, as you suggested above. It's clear this is a design choice to bring notes and highlight to mobile devices so we are a step closer to seeing his a reality also.
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Bob Pritchett said:
We could have duplicated the whole notes file system for highlights, but people are also asking for highlighting capabilities on the selections to which they attach notes. So it just made sense to merge these things together into a single annotation system.
Been wanting this feature (merging highlights with notes) for the last few years! Thanks!!!!
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I have to disagree - but I guess it all comes down to how each of us uses L4 and highlights and notes are completely separate in my workflow and usage.
Maybe it's semantics - the concept is OK - having a simpler system, allowing collaboration etc, but the design framework developed to implement that concept is either fundamentally flawed, or needs a lot of rethinking - I can't decide which at this point!
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Richard Lyall said:
but the design framework developed to implement that concept is either fundamentally flawed, or needs a lot of rethinking - I can't decide which at this point!
Do you have a concrete alternative?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Mitch Davis said:
Been wanting this feature (merging highlights with notes) for the last few years! Thanks!!!!
After using this feature since yesterday I am able to create as many "versions" of highlighting any bible/book as I see fit. For instance, I can go through the whole Bible and use a high lighting system to create "16 periods of the Bible". I can later use another high lighting/notation system on "shadows". Then a third system for another purpose. At any time I can toggle (via the visual filter) which highlighting/note system I'd like in view while doing my studies.
So much better now. :-)
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I am very happy that we can finally sort notes in various ways. This is really good.
I am not sure why the size of note icons was increased. I find them more obtrusive.
It is encouraging to see some venturing into improving notes. I look forward to further enhancements.
Blessings.
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