Not Too Happy about Highlighting\Notes merge

I'm sure there are good technical reasons for this (and that it's here to stay), but it doesn't seem an obviously great idea to me. Here's why.

The possibilities for confusion and contamination of "true" note data are many.

I frequently overlay different styles when colouring a passage. one highlight for the passage, and then different colours for individual features I want to draw attention to. Each of these is now a new note, leading to a rather meaningless jumble of notes, fragments of sentences and individual words (see screenshot).

I think I will create a "highlight dump" note file to contain all these new highlights. Problem is that each time I add a note myself, I have to keep making the dump file current again

Could this feature be switched off, or could there be an option to save highlights to a Notes file specified in System Settings?

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Richard

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MJ. Smith

I'm still "playing around" with the new notes and see it as moving my use a bit more toward how I use A.nnotate (for it's shared features). Thus far, my inclination is that the auto-created note should contain the name of the highlight style (and possibly palette).

Anonymous

Could this feature be switched off, or could there be an option to save highlights to a Notes file specified in System Settings?

In a future beta we will have an option to chose the default note document highlights are saved to per palette.

Dave Hooton

In a future beta we will have an option to chose the default note document highlights are saved to per palette.

Todd,

I'm sure by now that you should know the temperament of Logos beta testers and NOT have introduced a feature that appears to be badly designed, when a delayed introduction would have saved a considerable amount of Forum word space and angst.

SteveF

I'm sure by now that you should know the temperament of Logos beta testers and NOT have introduced a feature that appears to be badly designed,

I'm sorry to have downloaded this beta. The saving grace is that I am replacing my hard drive within the next few days and was going to have to "scrub" Logos 4 anyways.

I Rarely use Notes but the ones I have are now "ruined." And I have a large group of new ones that are totally useless with a large number of references to individually coloured words (for emphasis) and for eseof locating on a page.

. Unfortunately the discussion in the other thread as to why this new system is being used is over my head.

I am going to try to delete all notes. I'll stick to clippings and Word documents.

I am glad that I was able to get the TOC for the Church Fathers turned intoa PBB before this came down the pipe.

Suggestion: I realize that it is too late now--BUT with all of the changes & fixes to broken parts of the PBB this long-awaited beta would have been great to have those fixed. THEN issue a new one with the "new notes method" as a new issue to deal with /fix etc.

Tim Hensler

option to chose the default note document

It would also be helpful if when you highlight something and it automatically creates a note, that the note is presented to the user so text can add to it at that time. It's hard enough to find a note when it is created this way, even when the note file is already open. It would be even worse if the note file wasn't open. If you don't want to add text to the note, then you can keep going with only a minor interruption from the highlighting action to present the note file open to the new note you just made.

MJ. Smith

Unfortunately the discussion in the other thread as to why this new system is being used is over my head

which thread?

MJ. Smith

It would also be helpful if when you highlight something and it automatically creates a note, that the note is presented to the user so text can add to it

Absolutely!

TCBlack

In a future beta we will have an option to chose the default note document highlights are saved to per palette.

I'm glad this option is coming.

Wes Saad

I Rarely use Notes but the ones I have are now "ruined."

I agree that the new method is not a good approach. It does not make sense to treat highlights like notes. They are separate features and deserve separate technical treatment.

That said, I don't think existing notes should be affected. At least for me, new note files were created for all my highlights, so no highlights were added to existing note files. The trouble will be going forward, having to remember to select the right note file before making a highlight, a problem that will be fixed when the new option is added. But even with that, I think merging notes and highlights is a bad idea.

Simon’s Brother

It would also be helpful if when you highlight something and it automatically creates a note, that the note is presented to the user so text can add to it

Absolutely!

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toughski

introduced a feature that appears to be badly designed

This appears to be a recurring theme. After hearing all of the arguments from LOGOS for "putting it out there and adjusting as we go" I am more of a believer of "doing it right the first time AND doing it even better the second time" Do you think Apple would have such a "cult" following if they designed this poorly?

Ward Walker

I'm not in the Beta program since I really need a stable product...but highlighting is very important to me--and I don't exactly understand what Logos is trying to change in this version--but anything that effects highlighting really gets my attention. I don't use Notes much because it is so slow and limited--and don't like the way they sometimes act like highlighting, depending on how text is "noted"--but am having a hard time understanding why Notes and Highlighting would be considered the same thing...unless I could optionally add text to a highlighting I did, in whatever style/pallet I wanted to use.

[:S]

Really hoping that whatever change finally rolls out doesn't wipe out years of hard work in highlighting.

Simon’s Brother

I am more of a believer of "doing it right the first time AND doing it even better the second time" Do you think Apple would have such a "cult" following if they designed this poorly?

Its a paradigm shift rather than a poor design in my view....betas are about trying things out, see how they work, get feedback from end users, so I have no problem with the product Logos has made available for beta testing (besides the fact the PBB stuff should not have been mixed in with such a big change)...I don't expect them to get it right in the first or second beta release.....the conditions of beta testing are quite clear... you can't expect it to be right first time. I expect this feature to change throughout the beta cycle before it settles down to something that gets us close to what it will finally look like....as for cult following I pray that nobody looks upon Logos in that manner, they provide a product that enriches are bible study, but Christ is the only one we should be following.

Tim Hensler

paradigm shift rather than a poor design

I agree - it took me a bit of play time to get used to the highlight/note merge - now I love it. I'll like it even more as they continue to work on the suggestions in UserVoice.

betas are about trying things out

I agree - by their very nature, betas are a work in progress - often an unfinished work. This is a fantastic opportunity for us users/consumers to participate in the development of a product we use so we can more skillfully participate with Ezra 7:10.

Thank you Logos for the great work you do to produce a great product, and to let us partner with you in that endeavor. I am very happy about the Highlighting/Notes merge. Especially in light of Bob's stated (and hinted) future of highlights and notes.