UFO's and the New Age

I've been bombarded by more than a few non-Christian friends in the past couple of months asking about; UFO's, the New Age, bilderbergers, illuminati etc.

Can anyone suggest some L4 resources that r up to date and address these issues.

I can go to various web sites such as infowars, coast to coast etc., but what I need are "Christian" resources/websites etc., that intellegently explain in an apologetic way what we as followers of Christ believe these to be.

Any helpful help would be more than appreciated!

mm.

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JimTowler

Hi,

I have this http://www.logos.com/product/8184/zondervan-world-religions-and-cults-collection set and one title on "Cults, Sects etc" addresses some of those kinds of things.

Its a set so not the cheapest way to get answers. Also, I have spent little time with those books so dont have much feel for what their overall stand is. Its more something to dip into when seeking comments and more direction.

Try searching for any of the following in the Logos store: cults, sects, ufo, and some of the other key words you posted in your question. Once you get a list of possible answers, just buy them if they look good and are cheap, or ask a few more questions here if you want someone with that title to dig into some aspect to see if you get multiples pages, or a single paragraph on the topic.

Wanting to help here but sadly with little to really give you.

A course I have been attending makes a great point: those friends are the ones seeking answers to life and wanting to find more. Its great as we know the answers, or at least the One that knows them all!

DMB

Milkman ... we missed you!!!

Of course, you ARE talking about all our friends here in Sedona. And tonight's asteroid is no accident; let's not sleep well.

Just last week our city manager pleaded with city council not to have to continue the investigations on those dangerous white trails above us.

We have our annual crystals festival along with dream readers and brain waves you can literally SEE!!

After driving past our main vortex today, I stung my hand on the electrical charge right before pumping gasoline.

I know you're looking for a resource, but the imagination far exceeds reason.

Milkman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303477#Comment_303477

Dear Denise (heart)

Thank you so much for the "we missed you!!!" I've been following the forums for the last 3 weeks or so and you have been the first and only person (sister) to say what you have said. You have no idea how much that means to me. You are a true sister in Christ. We have had a terrible go the last 6 months as a family. some deaths, financial failures and other issues and I can't tell YOU how very much the Lord has spoken through you to show us His character of love. You have shown great love - Thank-you.

mm.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303482#Comment_303482

Oh my .... your issues seem daunting. Thank you for your comments, but my joy in seeing you back was for what YOU gave us. We aren't much but prayer is all that we have for you.

Milkman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303475#Comment_303475

Hey Jim,

thanks for the suggestions. I've tried the search for UFO, illuminati etc., and not really picking up anything substantial. I like your point about, "those friends are the ones seeking..."

Maybe a suggestion in the "suggestion" forum might be something to think about, but it seems to me that Christians for the most part think alot about these things, but few 'seriously' address these things which leaves many of us wondering where to go for answers.

Once again thank you.

mm.

Milkman

Thanks for all the two replies.

Are there any web sites or literature that you can suggest to follow up on my question?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303495#Comment_303495

A good site for practical advice is at http://carm.org/new-age . It depends a lot on what approach you think is most appropriate. Each person being different.

Our family is pretty much at a loss with our friends, since (at least the ones we meet) are heavy-duty angry with Christianity. Frankly I think the latter is the bigger issue. And so we try to go overboard just (trying) to display what Christianity really can be.

If you want a couple that (surprisingly) has had a lot of luck here: http://www.cryingrocks.org/about/contact.html

Their really nice and sincere; if you have cold feet just mention my name as recommended!

The gentleman has spent a ton of his own retirement trying to reverse geology assumptions (creation), and has a lot of experience with both the scientific arguments and the new agers as well in how to discuss successfully.

On the CryingRocks site, on the right, you'll also see our pastor's site (Sermons and Bible Studies). He's a practical guy and has been at it (against New Age) for a long time, plus spent some time in a cult so 'quite knowledgable'! And very kind. Absent his example, I'd not have come back to Christianity.

Good luck!!

777

Why don't you look up references to the word "whirlwind" in the KJV and see what you find. In the book of Ezekiel, you will find that it is made of polished bronze.

I believe that when God comes here alone, He just shows up, but when He brings his throne and entourage, for lack of a better word, they travel in style. I also believe that the fallen angels that came to earth in Genesis 6 used these vehicles to get here to seduce the daughters of Adam.

In other words, there are no "UFOs". They're "FOs" if you know who is piloting them.

Too many ancient cultures have these vehicles mentioned for it to be a fairy tale. I believe that when Satan shows up in his role as anti-Christ, pretending to be Jesus so that he can hoodwink people into worshiping him, that he and his fallen angel buddies that Michael kicks out of heaven will be using these vehicles.

Too bad the people that believe in the false rapture doctrine will fall in the great apostasy and worship the liar, not staying a virgin. Satan shows up in the 6th trump and Jesus returns at the 7th. Anyone that is taught to worship the first supernatural entity that shows up in Jerusalem SAYING that he is Jesus is going to get the mark of the beast. These will be the folks that run to the true Jesus saying they did great works in His name and He will reply that He never knew them. They fell off to the false one and did not remain a virgin until He returned. These are the ones that will pray for mountains to fall on them.

So, show them the truth. UFOs are in the Bible. Elijah was taken up by one. Ezekiel saw one. Job knows about them. How come you don't?

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303525#Comment_303525

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2358746/posts

http://www.lyricstime.com/billy-thorpe-children-of-the-sun-lyrics.html

http://www.mosque7.org/ufofiles/babyplanes.htm

http://www.monk.com/display.php?p=People&id=36

http://stargods.org/AlienInvasion.html

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/sherry/x-sedna-toe.htm

ttp://www.logoschristian.org/ufo.html

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303540#Comment_303540

Searching Logos library for "new age" finds many results, including Apologetics Study Bible and Defend Your Faith (included with base packages, except original languages)

Keep Smiling [:)]

Pam Larson

This looks like a good one:

Ross, Hugh, Kenneth Samples, and Mark Clark. Lights in the Sky & Little Green Men: A Rational Christian Look at UFOs and Extraterrestrials. Colorado Springs, CO: NavPress, 2002.

Table of contents:

1. The UFO Craze Kenneth Samples

2. Types of UFOs Kenneth Samples

3. Life on Other Planets Hugh Ross

4. Evolution’s Probabilities Hugh Ross

5. Interstellar Space Travel Hugh Ross

6. RUFOs—The Unexplained UFOs Hugh Ross

7. Government Cover-Ups Mark Clark

8. Government Conspiracies Mark Clark

9. Nature and Supernature Hugh Ross

10. The Interdimensional Hypothesis Hugh Ross

11. A Closer Look at RUFOs Hugh Ross

12. Abductees Kenneth Samples

13. Contactees Kenneth Samples

14. UFO Cults Kenneth Samples

15. The Bible and UFOs Hugh Ross and Kenneth Samples

16. Summary Hugh Ross
Appendix A: Fine-Tuning for Life on Earth

Appendix B: Probabilities for Life on Earth

Appendix C: Fine-Tuning for Life in the Universe

777

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303556#Comment_303556

It warms my heart every time that I'm reminded in the Word how that false teachers will be rewarded. Those that cast a stumblingblock so that people looking for truth cannot find it are going to be wishing for a lot more than mountains to fall on them before it's over.

This reminds me of the false teachers that teach that the earth is only 6,000 years old. The Bible doesn't teach that. False teachings in the name of Christianity that go against what the Bible teaches circumvent many people from hearing the truth in the Word of God. No wonder atheists laugh at most Christians. Most Christians are Biblically illiterate.

It's very dangerous for people to be self-called into teaching. Look what happened to Korah in the book of Numbers after he decided to call himself into the service of God. People that ought to be plowing are preaching. Not good.

So have fun telling the new agers all about things that you have no clue about. I'm sure that this will gain you all sorts of points with God.

Larry Heflin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303558#Comment_303558

I don't know if his name has been mentioned yet, but isn't Logos own Mike Heiser somewhat of an expert in this area with a related ministry to those who have had "experiences"? I think he has a website and some articles as well as his book which Logos sells called The Facade.

Okay, here's a link http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

He has contact info on his site.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303560#Comment_303560

Mike Heiser's The Façade is science-fiction; probably not what you're looking for. But if you're interested, it's available on Vyrso: http://vyrso.com/product/9651/the-facade

Sam Henderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303567#Comment_303567

A Logos resource which is a scholarly treatment of these and other forms of new age religious experience, but perhaps a bit more dry in its approach than what you might be looking for:

http://www.logos.com/product/3291/the-re-enchantment-of-the-west

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303582#Comment_303582

There's an entry on "UFO Cults" in Religions A to Z and also a slightly longer one on "New Age". I'll cite just the former:

UFO Cults

“UFO cults” is the term for small, diverse, and independent groups who believe that alien beings are “out there” and that their existence is of vital importance to human life on earth. Speculation about life beyond earth’s boundaries has existed for centuries, but contemporary interest dates to June 24, 1947, when Kenneth Arnold, a pilot, claimed to see nine unidentified flying objects, or UFOs, near Mount Rainier, Washington.

The major UFO-style New Age groups are the Aetherius Society, the Unarius Academy of Science, and the Raelian movement. The suicide debacle of the Heaven’s Gate group in 1997 cast a gloom over New Age UFO groups, and over UFO interests in general, but the passing of time has dulled the impact of Heaven’s Gate on believers in the New Age UFO groups. The religious-based UFO groups have a dogmatic commitment to the claims of their leaders and the alleged spiritual revelations from aliens.

Of course, even secular-minded UFO advocates believe passionately in the truth of their claims about extraterrestrial life and in the widespread belief that the United States government is engaged in a cover-up about spaceships. In addition to the Kenneth Arnold case, there is agreement among advocates that a spaceship crashed in Roswell, New Mexico, in the first week of July 1947. This is known as the Roswell incident. The U.S. military claims the incident was simply a case of a crashed weather balloon. There is a UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell.

Another significant case involves the allegation that the U.S. government operates Area 51, a military compound ninety miles north of Las Vegas, as a site where alien craft can be examined. Bob Lazar, a leading UFO advocate, made this notion famous with his assertion in 1989 on the Art Bell Coast to Coast radio program that he had worked with alien spacecrafts in the area. Area 51 is a military site used by the Air Force to test new fighter planes, but the Air Force denies Lazar’s claims.

J. Allen Hynek, who died in 1986, was one of the world’s leading UFO advocates. He was a professor of astronomy and a consultant to the U.S. Air Force’s Project Blue Book, which investigated UFO claims until the project was shut down in 1969. In 1973 Hynek published the classic work The UFO Experience: A Scientific Study. Also, along with Philip Imbrogno and Bob Pratt, he coauthored Night Siege, a book on the Westchester County “Boomerang” sightings, involving hundreds of reports in the 1980s about a V-shaped craft hovering both north of New York, in the Hudson River Valley, and over Connecticut.

Critics of UFO sightings and UFO religions reject claims that there is proof of alien visits to planet earth. The skeptics do not argue that every claim can be disproved or that the believers are all liars. Their approach is to argue that most of the cases can be explained better by alternative explanations. One of the major groups attacking the credibility of UFO reports is the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of the Claims of the Paranormal, popularly known as CSICOP. Their UFO specialist is Philip J. Klass, author of UFOs: The Public Deceived, a number of other books, and “The Klass Files.”

UFO Cults

TYPOLOGY Western esoteric

GENERAL SITES

Mirrored site with focus on Area 51

www.ufomind.com

The International UFO Museum and Research Center

www.iufomrc.org

The National UFO Reporting Center

www.nuforc.org

Art Bell

www.artbell.com

Center for UFO Studies (J. Allen Hynek)

www.cufos.org

Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal

www.csicop.org

Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence

www.cseti.com

James A. Beverley, Religions A-Z (Nashville, Tenn.: T. Nelson, 2005), 241-42.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303559#Comment_303559

This reminds me of the false teachers that teach that the earth is only 6,000 years old. The Bible doesn't teach that. False teachings in the name of Christianity that go against what the Bible teaches circumvent many people from hearing the truth in the Word of God. No wonder atheists laugh at most Christians. Most Christians are Biblically illiterate.

People that ought to be plowing are preaching. Not good.

So have fun telling the new agers all about things that you have no clue about.

Is it not a good thing for people to study the Bible? Paul commended the Bereans when they compared his teachings with the written word. Hugh Ross, mentioned above, is a scientist & a believer who does not hold to a 6000 year old earth. (I personally don't agree with his gap theory, but that does not really matter. All I am concerned with is the blood atonement of Jesus Christ.)

Do not assume every author available in Logos holds to a 6000 year old earth, a six day creation, plenary inspiration of scripture, or a Western canon. And, yes, it is refreshing to remember God will hold false teachers accountable. The Bible does not say literally, allegorically, figuratively, or in any manner whatsoever that God used evolution to create anything. To promote that it does is definitely adding to scripture.[:#]

Psalm 2:1-12 (I tend not to care what heathens, atheists & rebels think of Christians.)

Why do the nations conspire, and the peoples plot in vain?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and his anointed, saying,
‘Let us burst their bonds asunder, and cast their cords from us.’ He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord has them in derision. Then he will speak to them in his wrath, and terrify them in his fury, saying, I have set my king on Zion, my holy hill.’ I will tell of the decree of the Lord: He said to me, ‘You are my son; today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron, and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth.
Serve the Lord with fear, with trembling kiss his feet, or he will be angry, and you will perish in the way; for his wrath is quickly kindled. Happy are all who take refuge in him.

Scott S

Milkman,

It's good to see you posting again! Sorry to learn of your losses. 2011 will go down as a difficult year for me also.

Hugh Ross is a good resource for UFO info, as he is thoughtful, an astronomer, and was paid by a major university to investigate UFO reports. He argues that the best explanation for credible reports of UFO are that they are real nonphysical phenomena. For example, reports of UFO traveling thousands of miles per hour when they make a sudden right angle change in direction, would produce forces that would disintegrate any physical spaceship. Ross also discusses what the nonphysical phenomena may be and spiritual issues concerning UFO that he learned about during his investigations.

Ross' books are great and so is his website. Search UFO at http://www.reasons.org/

Scott

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303838#Comment_303838

Ross' books are great and so is his website. Search UFO at http://www.reasons.org/

And several of Hugh's books are available in Logos in this bundle:

Hugh Ross / Reasons To Believe Collection (9 vols.)

I have enjoyed Hugh Ross' lectures on audio (tape of the month club) Whether or not you agree with him, he is highly intelligent and difficult to prove wrong.

Milkman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/303838#Comment_303838

Thanks Scott!

God knows what He's up to. I certainly don't. Looks like we both have to trust Him for the outcome and do what we can to persevere.

I emailed reasons to believe and asked them for some feed back. Haven't heard back yet as I'm sure they're quite busy. I'll have to check out some of his (Ross) resouces. I know that some have suggested him to read.

Thanks again and we'll keep "looking up."

mm.