Outdated and expensive
I am a long time user of Logos but as of late it appears to me that the product is outdated and too expensive. If I were to start over I do not believe I would make the investment in the product. My appeal is that the company will energize its efforts to become the state of the art leader that it once was. Am I wrong? Every week there is something that annoys me; like this morning the ICC commentary set at 1200 and the inability to highlight on my ipad are just typical examples. It use to be fun to scout out what was on Logos but today it is not worth the time and effort. Is this just me and am I being too critical?
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You are expressing our opinion and that is not a bad thing… It is a bit expensive but outdated is not something I would call it… If you are running it on an older computer it will go very slow, it has many built in advertisements on it's default home screen but these can all be turned off. If you are talking about out of print works being outdated. yes there are a lot of those and in particular if you don;t purchase them in community pricing they can seem exceptionally overpriced. Logos gets current books within a couple years of publication usually (and sometimes within weeks of physical publication), so you can hardly fault them for having less than current published works and usually at a completive price. I personally do not like the mobile APP choices made, i would have preferred to be able to sync on my computer any resources I own, not just ones they can getting permission to place in their Logos cloud. And on the mobile front I will say things seem to had stalled out, but that is basically because they are trying to get a second mobile platform up and running once Android is out of beta, i would expect to see notes and highlites on the mobile platforms likely being a top priority. I personally would like a quick way to switch resources, like we have on the desktop machines or a way of logging out so only resources we have downloaded to our devices are used. Again these mobile features may make it to a new version sometime but i don;t expect to see anything till Android is caught up.
These are just my feelings in response to your frustrations but i will say while at times regretting an occasional purchase, over all i regret nothing about the over all owning of a piece of software that helps me so much.
-Dan
I can't speak to 'history'. And I thoroughly love my Libronix. But shopping on the A-company site is really depressing sometimes. Even the B-company. Now I get catalogs from the C-company and I have to quickly drop them in the bin in the garage it's so depressing. Back to Libronix.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
Am I wrong?
Yes, I think you are.
I think you've started taking this kind of technology for granted and have lost your focus.
'Outdated' is one word I can see that has zero application to Logos. The folks over there are working like crazy with limited resources to get as many requests fulfilled as they can. (I say limited resources because they don't charge much for the software...if you've ever purchased software with similar capabilities on a business model, you know what I'm talking about...this thing would cost forty thousand dollars if it was marketed to businesses by a F500 company.)
If you aren't careful, you may become your own worst enemy. At the (considerable) risk of sounding like R. Schuller, stop looking at the glass as half-empty.
(You asked for an opinion...there it is.)
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
I recently had a stroke and lost my memory,but I do know logos is expensive. the cost is very high, buy I remember it changed how I study. The truth is Logos needs to change some of their pricing, if they do not they will suffer, we do not live in the same times as we did a few years ago, however because of the hard times more people are willing to buy Logos, but they will soon have to stop buying resources if things stay this bad. Of course Logos could help by making the product more affordable and people would keep buying more resources.
As far as an outdated product goes you have lost me on that one, before the stroke I taught a lot of people how to use different bible study programs, overall I found Logos to me the best out there, can you give an eample of a more up to date program???
From what I have seen, if I dropped Logos where would I go???
In Christ,
Jim
the inability to highlight on my ipad
Gene - Logos is working very hard on this. One thing you need to consider is that first and foremost, Logos is concerned about their desktop application. The iPad app is great, they are working on it, but the desktop app drives the mobile app, not the other way around. To be able to bring notes & highlighting to the mobile app, Logos is changing the sync infrastructure in L4. This change is a major (albeit "behind the scenes") feature of 4.5, which is in beta now.
If you want some hope about the mobile app & highlighting, see THIS THREAD.
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Outdated? No, I think there's good functionality and a good UI -- Logos is an excellent piece of software.
But EXPENSIVE?! YES! My son just asked me if he could put some Bible software on his computer. Obviously I was very pleased to help him in this and obviously I started looking at my long-time favorite, Logos. The packages were not applicable to him because he's just looking for a Bible version or maybe 2-3, but he's not planning on reading books and etc. So I looked at NIV, NASB, NKJV -- THE CHEAPEST BIBLE I COULD FIND WAS $25!!! What's the deal with that?!
I will end up either deciding I can kind of call myself the primary user of his computer (it's iffy, but I think I could come down on that side) or else I will direct him to another software package. Chances are that once he starts using another software package he will gradually invest in it and won't be coming back to Logos. Not the direction I would prefer, but if he has to pay more for an e-bible than for a print-bible I simply can't in good conscience encourage him to go that way!
So I looked at NIV, NASB, NKJV -- THE CHEAPEST BIBLE I COULD FIND WAS $25!!!
If you search the internet for "ebible deluxe" AND libronix you will find a cheap alternative which runs under Libronix. i did this for my sister and she also got the free Logos4 engine which recognized the books. She later when she could afford it bought a Logos4 base package.
This is MUCH more reasonable! If it had NIV I would purchase it immediately (he does all his memory work in NIV). We may yet go down this road... Thanks for the idea.
I will end up either deciding I can kind of call myself the primary user of his computer (it's iffy, but I think I could come down on that side) or else I will direct him to another software package.
Is you son at home, or is he grown? If he is at home, I think you could justify it. Other than that, the questions I would want answered is 1) why does he want "bible software" and 2) what will he use the software for? There is certainly some cheap software out there, but you "get what you pay for." Actually, much of what you can do with the cheap software you can do online for free.
Logos is a great program for serious study. It's usefulness is expanding with the mobile apps and the Vyrso store.
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Alabama ... goodness! On eSword, one doesn't do 'serious' Bible study? I've more 'serious' resources on eSword than I do on Logos.
No offense (truly) mind you, but Logos' behavior really seems to bring out a lot hand-wringing, rationalization on rules, etc. It's amazing to see how well meaning pastors struggle to remain positive.
And for Gene, I've the greatest admiration. Go FC!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
Alabama ... goodness! On eSword, one doesn't do 'serious' Bible study? I've more 'serious' resources on eSword than I do on Logos.
I didn't mean to be insulting. Are you saying that eSword's library is as vast as Logos?
Logos' behavior really seems to bring out a lot hand-wringing
Since you have more "serious" resources on eSword, and since Logos brings you so much hand-wringing, why do you waste your time here?
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Yes, he's only in 7th grade. My concern is that he really uses that computer more than I do and installing Logos would be for him to use it more than I do... So I'm not sure I could legitimately say I'm the primary user. Is the license such that within a family i would be legitimate?
Yes, he's only in 7th grade. My concern is that he really uses that computer more than I do and installing Logos would be for him to use it more than I do... So I'm not sure I could legitimately say I'm the primary user. Is the license such that within a family i would be legitimate?
You must purchase the Portfolio edition for him — NOT! [:D] Yes, so long as he lives under your roof and isn't employed in an occupatioin requiring access to a theological library, he (and your wife) are OK to use it.
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Yes, he's only in 7th grade. My concern is that he really uses that computer more than I do and installing Logos would be for him to use it more than I do... So I'm not sure I could legitimately say I'm the primary user. Is the license such that within a family i would be legitimate?
Hi Peter,
The owner of Logos is a practical man - who trusts the integrety of his customers.
I think that he would say that as an occasional user of the computer you would not be defrauding Logos (especially if you are the man paying the bills). It might become a different matter when No. 1 son goes off to University - but that may be little way off yet.
You would still find that you had to cope with each other's settings, layouts, highlighting and notes. When that becomes a problem then it is an indication that you should be separating the accounts.
What a great gift from a father to his son though. God bless you.
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Yes, he's only in 7th grade. My concern is that he really uses that computer more than I do and installing Logos would be for him to use it more than I do... So I'm not sure I could legitimately say I'm the primary user. Is the license such that within a family i would be legitimate?
The only problem you may have is any notes or changes (layouts and preferred Bibles) your son puts in your Logos will override/change the ones you had there first. I guess he could place orders for new resources using your account. He may get Portfolio sooner than you think. [:D]
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These are good replies and you are helping me with them. I have used Logos for over a decade and it has changed the way I study and prepare my lessons. I may be in a half empty mode today but I am not usually. Several of you pointed out that Logos is still king of the desktop and I have used nothing else lately to doubt that. However I am changing. I use to carry a laptop with me but I rarely do that anymore and often find myself with my Ipad and Iphone and Logos is just not where I think they should be with those instruments. Logos got to the top of the Bible software industry by being ahead of the game and it just appears to me that they are behind on the direction that some of us find ourselves going. I do not doubt that they will get there, but when they do, my concern is they will be behind somewhere else. I want my favorite software to be the leader in all aspects of Bible study software. I guess I am in a half empty mode today for sure!
my concern is they will be behind somewhere else
I find Bob's post here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/40084/299243.aspx#299243 to be very illuminating on this issue (the main point of the thread is Mac, but it touches on mobile too)
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Is this just me and am I being too critical?Thanks for asking. [:D] I think your perspective is a little skewed today.
like this morning the ICC commentary set at 1200That is a sale price. That could also be another car in my driveway Yes, it is not pocket change but is a significant savings over the regular selling price. Does any other Bible study software offer a refined (legible & tagged) version of ICC?
My appeal is that the company will energize its efforts to become the state of the art leader that it once wasMany have complained they thought Logos already has too many irons in the fire. Funny thing is, each of us wants our iron to be the one being heated. I personally have no need whatsoever for Proclaim. I don't own an iPad or Android (yet) and I don't think Logos should try to replicate the desktop on a handheld. I am still using OneNote, so notes in Logos is not my pet project either.
as of late it appears to me that the product is outdated and too expensive.Logos seems to be attempting to be all things to all Bible students. There are efforts to offer many scholarly works (Brill, T&T/Clark, SPCK, Baker Academic.) There are efforts to publish multilingual works (Chinese, Korean, Czech, Russian, Spanish.) They keep up with the the latest in manuscript & original language studies (Dead Sea Scrolls, SEBS, Reverse Interlinears, Near Eastern documents.) Logos moved to the cloud based syncing model so all of your devices will have parallel access. They are reaching out to Women, Catholics, many smaller denominations, and some esoteric readers. They seem to be set on publishing every commentary ever printed. The prolific release of resources indicates Logos does not expect for each of us to buy everything they produce. If one becomes silly enough to want everything, (think [:P] Matthew C Jones & [:P] Lynden Williams & [:P] Rosie) they will quickly be drowned in the flood of new releases. But, oh, what a nice way to go.
imho: Logos is not cheap, nor is it outdated. Thanks again for asking.
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It would be nice to have the ICC set in Logos, but I agree that the price is too high, even at a sale. Sure, if we want the books and are willing to pay the retail price, it's a good deal, and I find the search capability of Logos does indeed revolutionize my study. But this isn't like Anchor Yale or the other sets that are still in copyright. Most of these volumes can be read online on Google books. Sure, it's much easier to read a resource on Logos than on Google books, and I'd have the integration with Bibles etc, but it's much cheaper to go with Google, and we aren't talking about saving just a few dollars. I know some on here adamantly defend the retail price comparison for Public Domain books (I was accused of dictating to Logos and likened to Wall St protesters yesterday for making the same point), but I wouldn't think it's a particularly strong selling point for Logos. Most people evaluating this product simply aren't going to pretend that we don't live in the digital age where books and Bibles are freely available elsewhere, as though the only choice was between the bookstore and Logos. It benefits all of us to have a product that appeals to as many people as possible. I'm happy to pay for newer resources at the same or above what I could get it in print through Amazon, because I think the integration with other products make the extra cost worth it. But Public domain books like Charles' Commentary on Revelation is nearly a hundred dollars, and there's just no way. I'll pay for having the search ability - $10 or $20 if it's a book I really want, but a hundred dollars for something I can read on google? It's not going to happen.
My great Love for both Logos and theWord is based on seeing both help believers to grow in their faith by looking at the scriptures and interacting with God and His grace! I love how both are being used by God, but I have to confess on a personal level Logos change my study habits. Now that I have learned more about studing with software I am amazed at how programs like theWord can be effective, but it is not LOGOS. I have never seen a progrm better than Logos and I hve most brands and teach others how to use what they have. Addressing the point Logos is expensive, but what else is out there that is better at any price.
In Christ,
Jim
but I wouldn't think it's a particularly strong selling point for Logos.
I am not saying the following is part of Logos marketing philosophy BUT......
General Motors builds a very limited number of Corvettes. They could build a lot more and still sell every one of them. When I go to the local dealer's showroom I discover he has only been allotted one or two for the model year. Most buyers have to place an order well in advance to get one. The ICC was the flagship for expensive commentary sets. The pricing seems arbitrary since it is a public domain content. Could it be Logos only needs a small number of sales to meet their projected profit margin for that resource? Or is it the ICC does not bring in enough in sales at a lower price to meet projected revenue? There is a balance somewhere in between the "retail" price and the price we are willing to pay.
If John MacArthur decided to charge $50 for each book he writes and never discount them, a lot of people would refuse to pay that price. But rest assured, some would pay upwards of that and buy as many books as he will publish. Some will buy a Corvette regardless of the price. Others will buy ICC at whatever Logos asks. Not everybody is strapped for cash, just 99% of us are. Logos may be experimenting with different titles in different marketing models to position for the uncertain future of eBooks.
Volkswagen Group sells the Bugatti for 1.7 Million dollars. They won't sell one to me but somebody is buying them.
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With what Logos brings to the table, I consider it a good buy. I'm probably as much a cheapskate as anyone on the forum, but when I consider what I can do with Logos that I cannot with my paper books and with cheaper Bible study programs, I am thankful for Logos.
Logos has to make a profit, or the company won't be around to provide the resources and support we desire. The resources are not cheap, but, on the whole, I think it's a great value.
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Volkswagen Group sells the Bugatti for 1.7 Million dollars. They won't sell one to me but somebody is buying them.
Perhaps they will sell it to me. If you give me the cash, I am willing to act as the middleman. [:D]
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What do You all think? Should I go for the ICC Upgrade? I have 3 ICC volumes since before (2 Cor 1-7 & Pastorals in Logos, Is 44:24-55:13 as printed matter). Other commentaries that I have include for example Hermeneia. I'm trying to discuss this at: http://www.christianforums.com/t7736387-post62809153/#poststop and http://www.christianforums.com/t7736387-post62936162/#poststop (both those links are in the same thread) but haven't got many answers. You can post here or at Christianforums:
Super Tramp wrote the following post at Thu, Nov 17 2011 9:47 PM:
I am not saying the following is part of Logos marketing philosophy BUT......Super Tramp wrote the following post at Nov 17. 2011 on the first page:General Motors builds a very limited number of Corvettes. They could build a lot more and still sell every one of them. When I go to the local dealer's showroom I discover he has only been allotted one or two for the model year. Most buyers have to place an order well in advance to get one. The ICC was the flagship for expensive commentary sets. The pricing seems arbitrary since it is a public domain content. Could it be Logos only needs a small number of sales to meet their projected profit margin for that resource? Or is it the ICC does not bring in enough in sales at a lower price to meet projected revenue? There is a balance somewhere in between the "retail" price and the price we are willing to pay.
If John MacArthur decided to charge $50 for each book he writes and never discount them, a lot of people would refuse to pay that price. But rest assured, some would pay upwards of that and buy as many books as he will publish. Some will buy a Corvette regardless of the price. Others will buy ICC at whatever Logos asks. Not everybody is strapped for cash, just 99% of us are. Logos may be experimenting with different titles in different marketing models to position for the uncertain future of eBooks:
but I wouldn't think it's a particularly strong selling point for Logos.
Thanks for asking.I think your perspective is a little skewed today:
Is this just me and am I being too critical?
That is a sale price. [...] Does any other Bible study software offer a refined (legible & tagged) version of ICC?:like this morning the ICC commentary set at 1200
Should I get the RSV NT RI? It's a bit expensive, and maybe it will be included in L6 (although I think I will wait for the next few versions and never be upgrading to L6)?:
Many have complained they thought Logos already has too many irons in the fire. Funny thing is, each of us wants our iron to be the one being heated. I personally have no need whatsoever for Proclaim. I don't own an iPad or Android (yet) and I don't think Logos should try to replicate the desktop on a handheld. I am still using OneNote, so notes in Logos is not my pet project either:as of late it appears to me that the product is outdated and too expensive.
Logos seems to be attempting to be all things to all Bible students. There are efforts to offer many scholarly works (Brill, T&T/Clark, SPCK, Baker Academic.) There are efforts to publish multilingual works (Chinese, Korean, Czech, Russian, Spanish.) They keep up with the the latest in manuscript & original language studies (Dead Sea Scrolls, SEBS, Reverse Interlinears, Near Eastern documents.) Logos moved to the cloud based syncing model so all of your devices will have parallel access. They are reaching out to Women, Catholics, many smaller denominations, and some esoteric readers. They seem to be set on publishing every commentary ever printed. The prolific release of resources indicates Logos does not expect for each of us to buy everything they produce. If one becomes silly enough to want everything, (thinkMatthew C Jones &
My appeal is that the company will energize its efforts to become the state of the art leader that it once was
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Outdated? I really wouldn't know unless you specify which volumes are of interest. Even outdated ICC volumes are generally of interest since they reflect the history of the discussion.
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After reading the good replies and some of the suggested links, I am thinking maybe it is my Ipad that I am disappointed with more than Logos. At this point the Ipad is not much more than a reader and maybe I was expecting to do more serious study and research as I would on my laptop. I am trying to make it into something that it is not, at least not yet.
At this point the Ipad is not much more than a reader
That is pretty much what I thought it was designed to be—an overgrown iPhone without the phone, which is the reason I never purchased one.
At this point the Ipad is not much more than a reader
That is pretty much what I thought it was designed to be—an overgrown iPhone without the phone, which is the reason I never purchased one.
Jack - I've never seen you so wrong... [:P]
First, Gene is TRYING to say that the Logos iPad app is "not much more than a reader" (which is unfair, and the app is improving). The iPad itself, however, is much more. The day after the iPad came out prognosticators said the same thing. They thought that Steve Jobs had his first major flop since his return... they were wrong. The iPad is NOT an iPhone; The iPad is NOT a laptop. It is a unique device that I use everyday. The millions sold prove that out.
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Thanks Alabama!
I have just had for a few weeks and do need to spend more time with the product.
How do you use it?
First, how do you hold, or do you? If I am in my recliner I have one of the fold back covers that forms a triangle type grip that tires my hand after awhile. What type of cover makes a comfortable grip?
How do you lay out your Logos? Do you use the dual screen option? One of my problems is if I follow a link to check out another comment, I have difficulty getting back to where I was. I am sure this is just a lack of experience with the product. Now I am using several apps instead of moving around in Logos. I use Olive Tree, Kindle, and other programs and switch from one to another. I am sure this is something that I can change with more experience with the product, but any tips would be helpful.
I currently do two sermons, two classes, and an article each week so I have several studies going at once. On my laptop I use a split screen layout with my translations on the left and my favorite commentaries on the right. So if I enter a text on the left, I have options of several commentaries to examine with that text. I have not figured out how to do something like that with my Ipad.
When I first received I thought Ipad would be something that I would use in the pulpit and classroom, but that is not working either; that too is probably just because of my lack of experience with the product. Do you use your ipad in direct teaching and preaching?
I am originally from the Shoals area of Alabama, so you have to take that in consideration also. [:)]
Thanks for your knowledgeable feedbacks!
The iPad is NOT an iPhone; The iPad is NOT a laptop. It is a unique device that I use everyday. The millions sold prove that out.
This is where I get confused. The whole Apple approach seems to attempt the convergence of all my hardware devices. Nina & I went to Starbucks last night and I observed a young man who thinks he is digitally connected. He walked in with his laptop bag slung over his shoulder. After setting up his computer he stood up and whipped out his iPhone and his Blackberry, one in each hand, and synchronized them. It just seemed a little burdensome or maybe he just doesn't get the convenience part of being "connected."
My son makes phone calls from his iPad (using VOIP? I don't know. I didn't ask.) But when I finally do get an iPad, and I will, I do not think I will do a whole lot more than reading on it. I try to avoid integrated hardware as much as possible.At this pointThat is pretty much what
the Ipad is not much more than a reader
I thought it was designed to be—an overgrown iPhone without the phone,
which is the reason I never purchased one.
If Logos wants to replicate all the functionality of the desktop app on the iPad, more power to them. I just need a reader I can hi-lite.
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Jack - I've never seen you so wrong...
My bride would probably tell you that I have been much more wrong than this, but then she has lived with me for 50 years [8-|]. Nice to know that the iPad is more than I thought it was, but still not tempted to purchase one—or am I? A fellow Church member brings one on Wednesday evenings and uses it to record prayer needs. Guess he could tell me more. Have to be careful though, as he manages a Verizon store [:D]
I have been buying only Logos software for Bible study for at least 16 years. I think more, but it is hard to remember. I had the old CDWORD program before Logos, and Logos bought the rights to CDWORD content, and I upgraded to what must have been close to the first Logos program available. Since Logos came along, I have tried to get my resources in Logos format exclusively.
I still think Logos is a great program. It has helped me to build a wonderful library for which I am thankful. In the earlier days it seemed that the company bent over backwards to do the right thing with every customer. Lately, not so much.
I am beginning to wonder if my strategy of exclusive Logos Bible resources is still wise. Frankly, I have been somewhat turned off by what I consider deceptive advertising. I get a solicitation for a price that is 60% off, but in reality is far less off. That 60% is off an imaginary price that no one on the planet charges, including Logos. The real discount may be 30 or 20%. The first and only time that I bit at one of those artificial bait prices was the day that my naive trust in Logos ceased. Some degree of the exclusive loyalty that I felt died. It may not bother others, but it does me. It is mighty close to a lie, in my opinion.
The realization that the fee for books purchased in a "payment plan" is higher than my credit card charges in interest for a purchase of around $500 is another thing that bothers me. Apparently it doesn't bother most, but the return exceeds 15% per year. That is on top of the profit in the resource purchase, and it bothers me. Especially, when I read posts talking about how generous Logos is to offer the payment plan.
The price of many resources are simply too high, but I do not blame Logos for that exclusively. Publishers have much of the blame, but some of it I suspect lies with Logos as well. I feel I have little reason to think that they would not do anything - right up to deception to maximize profits.
I no longer trust anything Logos tells me until I verify it. That is not a good feeling about your Bible software company.
Also, the "fan boy" attitude toward Logos, which I used to share, is a real turn off. I can not blindly applaud everything they do.
But, at this point I have far too much invested to not stick with Logos. Besides, it is a great program, and I do most of my serious study with it. I still love it, but I sure have a "lover's quarrel" with it too.
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Frankly, I have been somewhat turned off by what I consider deceptive advertising.
agreed
The realization that the fee for books purchased in a "payment plan" is higher than my credit card charges in interest
agreed, although I would point out that putting it on your credit card is always an option.
The price of many resources are simply too high
agreed but assume the market forces support them ... compare some of the Brill prices in traditional formats.
I no longer trust anything Logos tells me until I verify it.
My trust level has not changed ... it all depends on your starting point, I guess.
Also, the "fan boy" attitude toward Logos,
I find the forums evenly balanced at the extremes - fan boys and nay sayers. Of the two, the nay sayers are the more annoying in their abuse of objective information; the fan boys more dangerous in the responses they evoke. I hope they are both better exegeters of Scripture than they are of forum posts.[:P]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
I hope they are both better exegeters of Scripture than they are of forum posts.
Yes, they do give one the "jitters" sometimes. Perhaps they could get us another Jeter (Go Yankees — next year).
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gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
the fan boys more dangerous in the responses they evoke. I hope they are both better exegeters of Scripture than they are of forum posts.At the risk of evoking a bad response from an MVP trained in linguistics & philology, Is the correct word not "exegeses" rather than "exegeters?" [6] Oops, I should've abstained from my exegesis of urban colloquialisms. [:#]
As for me, I would much rather ride the slow train to Boston with a bunch of positive passengers than complainers.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
At the risk of evoking a bad response from an MVP trained in linguistics & philology, Is the correct word not "exegeses" rather than "exegeters?"
"Exegesis" is the practice of explicating a text. I think she was referring to those who practice exegesis.
exegete (ˈɛksɪˌdʒiːt) or exegetist (ˌɛksɪˈdʒiːtɪst -ˈdʒɛt-) n a person who practises exegesis [c18: from Greek exēgētēs, from exēgeisthai to interpret; see exegesis]
Collins English Dictionary.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
Well, this thread has been quite illuminating.
I was most surprised with the iPad comments. From what it looks like, folks want a portable PDF reader (not literally, but in terms of functionality ... read, notes, highlight). Plus listen to music and do email, I guess.
Then there's the group that is really uncomfortable with less than positive comments. Here in Sedona, they call that 'disinformation' and it's always wrong. But I'm always curious why.
It's VERY easy to look at the view counts and see people really like to read negative comments. Especially when they're always wrong.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
Outdated? Compared to what? Perhaps I am ignorant, but I prefer Logos to any other Bible Software that I know. I can't agree that it is outdated. There are things I wish they would improve - speed, personal books on the iPad, etc. But I don't know anyone who does it better.
Expensive? You bet. Books are expensive whether paper books or electronic books like Logos. Would your ICC set be cheaper in paper? I don't think so. Would it be as useful in paper? I don't think so.
Of course, everyone's opinion is their own, and you are the expert on your opinion. I am the expert on my opinion. And for what it's worth, this is it.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley
Outdated? Compared to what? Perhaps I am ignorant, but I prefer Logos to any other Bible Software that I know. I can't agree that it is outdated. There are things I wish they would improve - speed, personal books on the iPad, etc. But I don't know anyone who does it better.
Expensive? You bet. Books are expensive whether paper books or electronic books like Logos. Would your ICC set be cheaper in paper? I don't think so. Would it be as useful in paper? I don't think so.
Of course, everyone's opinion is their own, and you are the expert on your opinion. I am the expert on my opinion. And for what it's worth, this is it.
I don't believe he was characterizing Logos. What he considered outdated and expensive was the ICC.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
The only couple of things I would agree with is it is expensive and I also would like highlighting on ipad. However, you said "outdated"... I would completely disagree. I have 2 other Bible software programs and Logos blows them out of the water. I know Logos is working on updating their applications on all fronts constantly (lots of eggs in the basket). They will continue to be THE premium Bible software choice for the foreseeable future IMO. I don't agree with all things Logos... but the program can't be beat on the desk-top side of things.