Bought a Kindle Keyboard ....& Logos Biblia.com WORKS on it!

Praiser said:

Yes, but I don't pay a monthly cellular fee for the 3G...Kindle gives it to Kindle owners to have access to their Kindle store of books...so...I don't yet know if the 3G can be used for anything other than the Kindle store yet.

Found in the user agreement - "Your Conduct. You may use the wireless connectivity provided by us only in connection with the Service. You may not use the wireless connectivity for any other purpose."

That’s how I understood it as well. 3G only for their service – Wi-Fi and browser, enjoy yourself! [8-|]

I do not own one to try. I just read a lot. [:D]

That is an interesting thought, though. Surely someone on here has tried and could tell us. Praiser, inquiring minds want to know. [;)]

They shot themselves in the foot with their multiple definitions of
"Service." So long as you only use their 3G, you can access any site the
browser can get to. Ask your favorite attorney if the license agreement
opens that door. [:D]

Another unenforceable part of the license is this: "You may not modify, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Kindle..."  Amazon is attempting to (bluffingly) stake a claim beyond their legal rights. Back when set-top boxes were provided free to customers who subscribed to services from a content provider, many users hacked the boxes to access services not provided by the company who provided the boxes. Lawsuits resulted and the courts found in favor of the Providers. Too bad for them they went bankrupt about that time. Amazon is selling the Kindle. When you buy it, you can disassemble it or drive your SUV over it, if that is what you want to do. The extent of Amazon's limitations only apply to the software. They are retaining ownership that but have sold you the hardware known as Kindle.

If Amazon were successful in creating this new legal doctrine, others would follow suit. General Motors could repossess your paid-in-full car when you willfully drive while intoxicated. All they would have to do is put it in your purchase agreement.  When you consider US Courts are holding gun manufacturers and bartenders responsible for how their products are misused, it might not be a far leap in the denial of personal responsibility. Amazon denies all responsibility for how you may use the Kindle but wants to maintain control over your personal property. A good lawyer (think Melvin Bellii ) could hold Amazon ;liable for an online stalker using the Kindle to terrorize others because Amazon has claimed authority over the use of the hardware.

Remember, these Amazon guys are the brilliant kids who sold a copyrighted text and then stole it back early on a Sunday morning while everybody was sleeping.

Scott E. Mahle said:

Indeed! However, they are not selling 3G. That should give them the right to say how their 3G service (the very service they are paying for) can be used. Or is there something else I’m not understanding?

That is one way of looking at it. But look at this wording under 2. Wireless Connectivity/Use of Wireless Connectivity, " If your Kindle functions with third party services," and then proceeds to suggest WiFi as an example, not as an exclusive possibility.

Then, in their defining the terms of the agreement, Amazon makes a stronger argument for using the "experimental browser" only for connecting to the Kindle 3G network, even when accessing websites other than kindlestore, than they do for prohibiting access to other content providers.. The de facto use of the "experimental browser" (catch the meaning of "browser" here) overrides the so-called de jure standard since there is no statute prohibiting alternative use of the hardware. We are only left with the Kindle 3G service itself in question. I won't argue any further because we don't really want an oppressive Amazon killing everybody's brand new Kindles because Amazon has no legal standing to enforce the contradictory terms of their over-reaching Agreement.

Once upon a time in the USA prejudiced people would bind a covenant to the sale of their real estate attempting to prevent all future purchase attempts by certain racial or religious buyers. Courts found these covenants as unenforceable because the seller can not retain control over the property after it had been sold. Once Amazon has sold me a Kindle, they can restrict my use of the "experimental browser" they still own. They can also prevent my use of their Kindle 3G network. But they cannot prevent me from hacking my Kindle to access another 3G network.

disclaimer: I am neither a judge, barrister or other officer of the court, although I sometimes play one in my living room.

MJ. Smith said:

As long as you don't expect user support for a hacked machine.

I don't. First thing I did when my used iMac arrived was to crack open the case & upgrade the hard drive. I probably would not mess with the Kindle while it is under warranty.

MJ. Smith said:

I note that the Kindle Fire's agreement is somewhat different.

Amazon purposely left 3G out of the Kindle Fire. Carrier data plans are based on the amount of data used. The Fire has a color screen and is intended for multimedia entertainment. Most recreational use is stationary and WiFi is much cheaper than 3G.

Looking closely at the photos Praiser posted I see the the Browser instruction says "Choose a bookmark or enter a URL>" in a URL." That implies and expects the user to have a choice of where they direct the browser, including Biblia.com [;)]

 

An American friend told me, if I understood her rightly, that 3G use is free in US, but they charge you for it in other countries.  

I have just got through to Biblia.com.

You will not get a bill - it is clearly included

Notice that the User Agreement was last modified on September 28, 2011, just a few weeks before the new Kindle Touch WiFi/3G was released. It is my understanding that the 3G of the Touch has been modified to be used only with the Amazon Store and Wikipedia, while the WiFi is much broader in capability.

I've had my Kindle 3, now called Kindle Keyboard, for a year and use it on occasion to access biblia.com. There was nothing previously to give any pause in so doing. Frankly, browsing with e-ink and the fairly clunky non-touch K3 is not joyful experience. I suspect the data used is pretty inconsequential. The selling point was a one-time $50 fee for lifetime usage. Of course, with technology, "lifetime" is only a few years, at best.

It is suspected on the Kindle Boards forum that the Touch version makes for a friendlier browsing experience and may be behind Amazon's restricting the 3G use. That is why I kept my K3 and did not upgrade to the new Touch. Regardless, I definitely would not pay $50 just so I could download Kindle books when I am without WiFi connectivity.

MJ. Smith said:

Do I have to send mine back? I bought it for all the wrong reasons ... like books & Logos.

 

MJ.-

If you feel you have crossed an invisible line or otherwise performed in an unethical manner, there is always confession. (not to Amazon)  [;)]