Now that the sale is live, I wonder what you all think of it?
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The numbers for the master bundle don't add up. I'd like to see a comprehensive list of its contents.
Is the $250 giveaway working for anyone? It's said "loading the giveaway" for about 10 mins now and I tried twice before that as well.
The Reference Bundle contains at least 3 reference works I own: ANET, ISBE, and Encyclopedia of Christianity...so not if it's such a good deal for me. Do they deduct for resources already owned?
clicking on the reference bundle links to the OT bundle. OOOOOPS
I've got lots of resources in the bundles. But they are good value for those who don't.
Incidentally Chrome keeps crashing on the Black Friday webpage - I've mentioned this on the website forum
I am not impressed with the bundles they are promoting. Many people will own several of the resources within them. I am also not impressed with the selection of non-bundled resources. Only two are under 99 dollars. I do think that the IVP NT commentary will sell well though.
Do they deduct for resources already owned?
They did not make any adjustments on last year's 2010 Christmas specials. I had 800 of the 2010 titles and everybody paid the same price. It was still a good deal.
I'm not overly thrilled with the deals either... and I was especially hoping for a discount for upgrading base packages. Guess we will have to see what Christmas brings around.
I personally liked last years "black Friday" sale. Send an email with 3 titles and someone would respond with a special price for each of the three. You could accept or decline. I have most of the titles that are offered this year. So I plan to pass.
and I was especially hoping for a discount for upgrading base packages
Just to clarify - this sale does include discounts of 15% for base packages until Monday. This is shown at the bottom of the page describing the various bundles.
Graham
First of all, thanks very much to Logos for these deals. I know they worked on it to offer the best for us. Unfortunately, I'm not that rich to buy for hundreds of dollars bundles to find within a deal "some" books I really want to purchase. I think there's no point in offerings deals that are minimum 100 bucks. So I'll just pass on because it's too expensive and deals are not interesting for me. Or if it was possible to chose a deal that would be better. And as a matter of fact, downloading this or that title doesn't require more work (I guess) because it's all about downloading, so no limit of stock or handle or shipping.
Well, I hope you got my point : deals are too big and expensive (in itself, even if they are great savings). So for me, well, I won't be able to buy anything.
and I was especially hoping for a discount for upgrading base packages Just to clarify - this sale does include discounts of 15% for base packages until Monday. This is shown at the bottom of the page describing the various bundles. Graham
Graham, that discount is only good if you don't already own a base package. I bought the Leaders package in the middle of the year. I really should have bought either the Language package or the Scholars package. I'd like to upgrade to the Scholars at this point but you cannot use this deal to get the additional 15% off I received when I first bought the software. I'm hoping that they may do something at Christmas to let me upgrade at a better price point... I really want those additional language tools!
So you mean the 15% saving is not available for upgrade?
I have an Academic discount of 5 % and upgrading from Scholar to Silver cost me $350 instead of $370! Now for someone who buys it now with the 15% will pay less than me (as a student with granted discount). What's the interest in having a Academic discount then ? No Black Friday for students?
I mean, I respect and submit, i'm just wanting to express my opinion.
Considering the works I already own, and the works I'm not interested in, all 3 of the collections are overpriced. I calculated the worth of works I'm interested in to be around $700. The Master Collection is priced $300 more than that. If Logos could offer it for that price, I would gladly buy it.
Maybe I'll have more luck with the Christmas offer. After all, I've been a very good customer boy this year [:D]
Graham, that discount is only good if you don't already own a base package
Sorry Alex, I had missed that detail.
I was SO surprised when I didn't find the AYBC in the master collection. I'm sure AY wouldn't have minded.
But Lenski turned out to be a bit of luck. I'd been going through my Dad's Bible notes, which he 'published' for us kids (and grandkids). And frequently he referenced Lenski. Very nice 'Black Friday.
I do wish to complement whoever does the .com pages (if not for Chrome anyway). Really professional presentation.
Graham, that discount is only good if you don't already own a base package Sorry Alex, I had missed that detail. Graham
It's all good brother It just seems like the people who bought lower level base packages (understanding the limitations or otherwise) don't get a chance to move up at any discount.
I'd been going through my Dad's Bible notes, which he 'published' for us kids (and grandkids)
Denise, Have you considered making dad's Bible notes available as a PBB to the broader Logos community? Assuming the notes aren't too personal to share, imagine the extension of his legacy!
Brooks, I also appreciated last year's approach, and availed myself of some fantastic bargains. This year's aren't quite tempting enough to draw me in. Also, like Denise, I'm hopeful that the AYBC will make a Christmas appearance at an amazing price.
AND, like another user, I think that Logos would be wise to feature a few very low priced specials in the well below $100 range.
Brother Mark ... good idea though my Dad's pretty private. I am, though, going to move them into a 'common' computer format, so others in the family can put in their respective Bible software.
But the point does remain ... you pastors need to remember your kids! While they were busily ignoring you, some day they'll want to listen.
Hey, I have a question about the Black Friday Sale. Does my school discount add to the Black Friday discount? For instance the base packages are 15% off; would I then have my 30% discount on top of the 15% to make 45%; would I have a 30% discount off of the 15% price? How does that work?
I had both Lenski and Lange commentaries on my wishlist for a long time. When I had a chance to buy one or the other Lenski won out. I wish Lange were on sale. [*-)]
I have not finished evaluating the Black Friday offerings but I have ruled out the Master Collection.
Lenski
Yes, the price for Lenski is really good. I bought my set at the Forum sale back in June - (I'm glad I did, although the savings today are even greater)
I looked into the NT collection - its main value comes IMHO from the Socio-rhetorical commentary set and the Discourse Analysis bundle, both of which I own. The books I consider as "someday I'll buy them anyway" don't add up to the collection price, I think.
I wish they had put NT Wright's http://www.logos.com/product/5223/christian-origins-and-the-question-of-god-series on the sale.
I wish they had done Nelson's Reference Bundle for $399.95 like the third parties do...LOL...I sound like a broken record, but hey, as the Greek literally reads, "Keep on asking and it shall be given unto you..." ;-) Anyway, some day!
Good deals for those who don't have what they're offering.
Happy Thanksgiving!
DA
All too pricy for my budget this year.
Jerry
Well, of course, I ALWAYS do my homework (usually after I buy).
Carefully adding up each Lenski volume ... hmmm ... let's see ... almost $700.
Lenski set on Black Friday sale ... $199. Sounds like that little puppy's already on my PC!
All too pricy for my budget this year. Jerry
Dan Pritchett tweeted there were going to be at least three free Vyrso books Friday. We can all afford that.
If I could somehow get them to apply the amount of the included resources I have already bought in the last year as a first down payment to let me get the master bundle, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I just don't have any money floating around to let me do this right now. [:(]
Lenski Yes, the price for Lenski is really good. I bought my set at the Forum sale back in June - (I'm glad I did, although the savings today are even greater)
I got Lenski on sale last February but I paid more for it than today's price. I think Lenski is the buy of the day.
If I could somehow get them to apply the amount of the included resources I have already bought in the last year
You know they will give credit for things bought recently - not usually a full year but still worth an inquiry.
I'm afraid that I have to agree with many here. The sale was disappointing to me. If you are a relatively new Logos customer with some fairly deep pockets, I think it might be good. Neither apply to me. I already own many of the volumes in each of the bundles, and those I don't I wouldn't be all that interested in. Plus only two less than 100 bucks. That seems pretty steep. I wish there was more of a price spread, and less bundling. Maybe the three free Vyrso titles will be of interest, although I've not seen much in the Vyrso store yet that I find of interest. I've actually been scaling back my intended purchases with Logos and anticipate doing so more radically, recognizing that there are only a handful of works that I truly "need" or which will be sincerely be useful to me for what matters most.
I know that the bundling thing is very popular... and I agree that for some folks (maybe many) it can be a good way to build up a young library. But I hear people on the forums all the time talking about how much things work out "per volume" ("gosh! that's only $1 per book!!!")... but frankly, it sounds a lot to me like the emperor lacking clothes. Yeah, sure each volume is only a buck... but would you really (c'mon let's be painfully honest) have bought those anyway? Would you really actively use those volumes with any kind of regularity? Maybe some would and will... and if so... that is truly GREAT!!!! That THRILLS me! But for the vast majority, I think (and certainly for me)... it can be self-deception, and doesn't seem to be the best stewardship. I'd actually be paying lots of money I wouldn't otherwise have spent, to receive books I will almost certainly not use (or with such rarity that it's justification becomes questionable), all to purchase a few (in my case) volumes that I really, truly want, will without question use, and which will (honestly) have the potential to make a difference for eternity. And not just feed my desire for more. I have to recognize at some point that every dollar I spend or "invest" on Logos is a conscious choice not to spend a dollar or "invest" somewhere else. And I'm asking myself more and more what i'm being called upon by my Lord to invest in.
It's like the whole "value-added" argument that seeks to justify the overly high expense of public domain works because I can do all kinds of neat stuff with them in Logos. Really? Will I really DO that with these books? And are such "value added" benefits really and truly worth paying $50, $100, $200 extra? Or could I "sacrifice" this "value added" benefit in order to bless the poor, or support a missionary so that people who never have heard or never will hear about Jesus (let alone Logos) have an opportunity to be part of His family for eternity? When is enough enough? A beloved seminary professor of mine loved to say to us "Good, Better, Best... Never let it rest.... Until the good is better, and the better, best."
Logos purchases are "good". Even... "better". Sometimes I have to ask myself, are they "best"? Is this the BEST use of my resources in light of eternity? And sometimes it is. And sometimes it isn't.
Please understand. I love Logos. Been blessed by Logos. Fully appreciate others will come to a completely different position than what I've just written... and THAT THAT IS PERFECTLY OKAY!!! Let each be sure in his own mind... and what might be wrong for one might not be for another. But just thought I'd throw in that perspective... from one on a difficult mission field on this particular Thanksgiving Day, very grateful for what I have been blessed with, which seems more than enough, and grieving for the lostness and suffering that I am finding here (on the field). Somehow, in light of that (and speaking FOR ME ALONE, IN MY SITUATION ALONE)... the sales seem kind of pointless and empty.
I genuinely hope that it isn't that way for most of you others. And if that is the case, may the Lord richly bless every one of your Logos purchases for the sake of Christ's glory, the edification of the Saints, and the salvation of the lost!!!!
Absolutely no offense intended to anyone, or to any other perspectives. (bracing myself for the reaction!) :-)
My depleted billfold is happy about the selection. Considering all the CPs that have gone through recently that I haven't had a chance to read, the large collection I have already, I spent a lot of money last Thanksgiving / Christmas on Logos and haven't read them all yet, and the fact that I don't have enough years left to read them all anyway I think I am contented.
Happy Thanksgiving to all, and to all a good night.
By the way, before anyone might respond, and although it might sound contradictory, I would like to thank the Logos team that put the sale together. I AM confident that it will be a blessing to some... and who knows? Maybe many. I am imagining what it must have been like in whatever room the selection process must have taken place. I imagine that must have been a fun process, and I am very very sure that the intention and heart of those involved was to bless! I can imagine (well, maybe I can't) what a difficult job it must be to put together such bundles. Just because it's not my cup of tea this year, or raises some philosophical/stewardship questions about Logos purchasing decisions for me (and maybe others?) doesn't mean that Logos, the efforts and intentions of its fine staff, or its product are anything less than first-rate. I am DEEPLY thankful to all of you folks at Logos this year, as always. To carry my library on a small laptop wherever I go on the field is a huge blessing to me and to many. Thanks for your vision, your hard work, and your tremendous hearts for Christ. You guys are awesome.
I just didn't want any misunderstanding about any of that! :-) :-) :-)
Thank you so much for your post. You are absolutely correct! Very sensitive, very caring, very compassionate -- and I thank God for your excellent insights and for sharing. It would be so easy to overlook the great efforts of the Logos Staff, working under whatever restrictions they were working under.
Hebrews 4:16
I'm afraid that I have to agree with many here. The sale was disappointing to me.
You can include me here. I am not sure if it is just that my library has grown big enough (I can think of "no must haves" and only a few "like to have's) or if the sales just are not as enticing as they were in the past. During the last forums sale the only thing that was offered to me that I bought was the AYBD at a very good price compared to its normal price.
It also seems as if a lot of the products that I do hope to be on sale, Logos simply can not offer them on sale or refuse to.
Am I missing something? Isn't the Black Friday sale price for the IVP New Testament Commentaries the same price that they always charge? Now that is sneaky.
And still more than the cost in paper new from IVP.
Or perhaps I am in error? It is very hard to know if there is really a significant discount because the listed discount is on a fraudulent non-existent price that neither Logos or anyone else on the planet earth charges.
I know, I keep making this same complaint. Sorry about that. It obviously bothers me a lot!
I'm not sure what is wrong with the math, but the numbers don't add up. I think the actual volume count for the NT is 47, and the master collection is actually 158 volumes.
If anyone is interested, I can confirm that master collection is in fact exactly the same as the three bundles combined (based on the lists of resources).
Well, Michael, I'm going to have to side with Logos this time.
The copy says 'great prices'. (The 'sale' verbiage is for the collections.) So technically, all is ok. Especially if you're from Miami right now (4th quarter).
Now 'great' could be like 'Great' Caesars' Ghost! Here, the implication isn't that Caesar is 'great' nor that his ghost is really big. It simply means 'great'. Without 'great' the expression would not make sense. 'Caesar's ghost!'
As you see, 'great' really has no significance. You just can't say 'Prices!'.
But more seriously, what's there to say? What you see speaks for itself (pricing behaviors).
Lenski is of interest to me and the price looks very good. I have had the print set for decades and thought that I would add the Logos edition if it ever was offered at a very good price. That looks like now is the time.
I had picked up Schaeffer at a great March Madness (?) price a couple of years ago.
I have too much already of the "collections" already that I would be interested in to make them a bargain for me.
The other items aren't "would like to have" and "can't live without" pricing.
Am I missing something? Isn't the Black Friday sale price for the IVP New Testament Commentaries the same price that they always charge? Now that is sneaky. Or perhaps I am in error?
Or perhaps I am in error?
Judging from the page cached on Google for the IVP New Testament Commentaries they previously cost $269.95. If that is the case, it represents a saving of just over 30% relative to the usual price. Based on that saving, I have placed an order with my sales rep.
It is very hard to know if there is really a significant discount because the listed discount is on a fraudulent non-existent price that neither Logos or anyone else on the planet earth charges. I know, I keep making this same complaint. Sorry about that. It obviously bothers me a lot!
It is very hard to know if there is really a significant discount because the listed discount is on a fraudulent non-existent price that neither Logos or anyone else on the planet earth charges.
I share your aversion to inflated retail prices. I have sometimes been nearly caught out by savings that are calculated based on the retail price rather than the usual price that is offered. I think they are like figures that appear in Josephus -- they should be taken with a large pinch of salt!
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BBM
Isn't this Marketing 101?
1. "Wow" the customer with a "great" offer.
2. Give the customer a brief deadline. ("ACT NOW!")
3. Convince the customer to spend MORE not LESS $.
Whereas it may be in our best interest to spend more $ per volume (but less $ in total) on a few select resources, these offers entice us to spend less $ per volume (but more $ in total) on mega-resources, many of which (as you say) we will never use. I'll admit that the technique works. It takes discipline to resist. :-o
other perspectives. (bracing myself for the reaction!) :-)
Thank you for posting your perspective. You can relax now. I put my brass knuckles away for the rest of the year. I find myself agreeing with much of what you have said. But I do think we are not bound to view everything from just one perspective. When we do that we can miss out on understanding others and possibly alienate them if they misunderstand us as well. I will just mention a few of those other perspectives that may be key to making sense of this weekend's sales.
There is very little we truly NEED for a meaningful life. My wife bought peppermint marshmallows today to add a festive twist to desert time. She could have given the money to feed the hungry at the City Rescue Mission or buy Bibles for foreign missions. My son is about to leave his good paying job to begin raising support to move to Mexico as a missionary. My parents were missionaries to Japan for several decades. I know what it is like to work hard and see sparse results. Every missionary I know leans heavily upon God for even basic things such as tonight's dinner.
If someone stumbles across this Black Friday sale resource: An Exposition on Prayer in the Bible (5 vols.) and buys it for the "wrong" reason, they just may learn from it how to better pray for the lost, hungry, and hurting.
But I hear people on the forums all the time talking about how much things work out "per volume" ("gosh! that's only $1 per book!!!")... but frankly, it sounds a lot to me like the emperor lacking clothes. Yeah, sure each volume is only a buck... but would you really (c'mon let's be painfully honest) have bought those anyway? Would you really actively use those volumes with any kind of regularity?
(highlighting mine) Emile, you might not know me very well but trust me when I say the answer to the highlighting question is an emphatic "Yes!" I am the guy that has owned over 4 dozen guitars, I've got 13 children and 8000 Logos books. I would have bought them anyway. I spend about the same each month on Logos resources. The only difference is buying them through Community Pricing or bundled in mega-sales gives me more books for the same expenditure. And that expenditure is better applied to Logos than guitars or tools. I may even need the education for a future calling. [:^)]
I thank God for your dedication, for your concern, and the love & understanding you are extending to others. I pray for the lost souls and the messengers going out to them. I thank God for Logos and the all the fine people I have encountered through my association here. I thank God for my wonderful wife and even for peppermint marshmallows.
Today was set aside by a former US President to be a day of giving thanks for the many blessings we enjoy. I know recent Presidents have given us much to moan about. As a child, my mother taught me, "If you don't have anything good to say about somebody, don't say anything at all." Let us refocus on the good and happy things.
I'm happy about the great effort that went into this year's Black Friday sale. [8]
I'm happy for godly parents.
I'm happy for the grand-babies I am blessed with. [Z] [Z] [Z] [Z] .......[Z] [;)]
Thanks Simon. Having learned the hard way that one cannot trust Logos when they say 50% off, it has been my habit to go to the Logos site and search for what they really have been charging. This is the first sale that I could not do that. If you search for the IVP NT Commentaries on the Logos site, you only get the imaginary price and Black Friday sale price, but not the price they always charge. This never happened to me before, and I always check. So I had no way of finding out what the real discount was.
Wasn't that a coincidence?
I agree that 30% is a good sale price. I would probably buy it, too, if I didn't feel that I had been lied to. 30% is not 50%. Now I think not.
day was set aside by a former US President to be a day of giving thanks for the many blessings we enjoy. I know recent Presidents have given us much to moan about. As a child, my mother taught me, "If you don't have anything good to say about somebody, don't say anything at all." Let us refocus on the good and happy things.
Good point, and I will comply. I will forget about Black Friday sales and focus on the many things for which I should be thankful, and they are many. Especially my seven wonderful grandchildren who are all at my house today! God is very, very good.
If you search for the IVP NT Commentaries on the Logos site, you only get the imaginary price and Black Friday sale price, but not the price they always charge. This never happened to me before, and I always check. So I had no way of finding out what the real discount was. Wasn't that a coincidence?
Especially my seven wonderful grandchildren who are all at my house today! God is very, very good.
7? and all of them there at once? That is when you sit back, surveying them all and ask God why He is so good to you. My wife's Grandmother shocked us one day when she said, " I finally figured out which great-grand baby is the most beautiful." We were scared to hear her disclosure until she said, "It is whichever baby I am presently looking at." She was a wise and classy lady. Enjoy them Michael.
I was actually pleased to see the Spurgeon Collection on sale. I missed the Spurgeon Collection when it was in Prepub at $259 due to having too many other purchases going on with Logos at the same time.
Would have liked to have picked up the A.W. Tozer collection too as it is in the same category... but I'll have to wait for another sale at some point! I would still like to see a good sale on AYBC or Hermenia, but that too will keep me watching Twitter and the other news channels for good sales from Logos!
I saw the Spurgeon collection, and am considering that , too. Do you think it would be worth the price if you already have Spurgeon's sermons? That is what I am wrestling with there.
I have the impression that Logos tries to attract new people to buy Logos software (15% for new ones but not for Logos users) and to make a lot of money by convincing us that "You are making a great deal" BUT the truth is that the offer must be a response to the demand. Also I feel like Logos community is pressed to "get the deal of the year", more than buy few books and really use/read them ALL. Logos seems to be reaching a capitalist politic and it scars me. Who would read all of the Master's Bundle? Truly. I mean, we would need many lives to be able to read them all. It's getting nonsense. Buy for the great saving, not for the interest someone has for each book. Well, english isn't my first language so I hope you got the point. I'd be glad someone explain to me how Logos tries to respond to Logos Community real demand.
Logos seems to be reaching a capitalist politic and it scars me.
moving right along to a more productive point: Few pastors ever read an entire commentary from cover to cover Still fewer read a dictionary or encyclopedia from A to Zeta (my eldest son actually does that [:O].) Logos 4 is my reading & research team. It reads through millions of pages of unrelated material and presents me with a condensed and more relative list gleaned from my resources. If your library only contains 10 books, it will of necessity be missing a vast amount of knowledge a library of 10,000 books contain. An Archaeology professor will need and read all the many resources to be found in their discipline. They may never read a counseling book. A scholar of the Hebrew language will buy and use many books I will never read. The Black Friday Collections are specifically dedicated to either Old Testament, New Testament or reference materials related to theology. Most Logos customers fall under one of these user groups
I'd be glad someone explain to me how Logos tries to respond to Logos Community real demand.
The Logos user base is much wider than most people imagine, even Logos. I am happy to say Logos is adapting. It is much better today for people of differing perspectives and needs than it was three years ago. Just imagine how much better it will be in three more years.
btw: Your English is very good for not being your first language.
BLACK FRIDAY SALE!!!!
I have one word for it...
Meh. [|-)]
