Christmas Sale Concerns

Wow.

I am a long time Logos user/supporter. I have bought/used Logos since sometimes in the mid-late 90s. I have, however, in recent years seen them become (in my opinion) less and less an arm for equipping ministry (who deserves to make a reasonable profit) and more and more another large corporation concerned with seeing how high they can jack their prices.

I have to speak out in response to what I see as a new low in Logos advertising. Today I got an e-mail ad that intrigued me.

It said, "If you spend at least $100 between December 1 and January 2, you’ll
receive up to 50% of your total as Logos.com credit, which you can put
toward even more Bible study resources in the coming year!"

That seems like a good deal. $100 is pretty steep for me in this economy and in our financial situation, but that might be a good investment to get $50 in credit.

Oh no.

You can't spend $100 and get 50% of the total in Logos credit. (silly me) You have to watch the qualifiers. "up to". You have to spend $5,000 (or more) to get the 50% credit. Thankfully for the 1% who can spend $5,000 on Bible software "there’s no cap to the amount you can earn!" (Although does someone who can afford to spend that much really NEED that big of a rebate?)

For the 99% of the rest of us, we're out of luck.

For my $100 I get $10, for which I presume I could buy the e-version of Dickens' "A Christmas Carol." (yes, I know it is [or at least used to be] free, but hopefully you get my allusion.

I used to look forward to seeing what Logos would do at Christmas time. I was incredibly blessed by the Christmas packages they put together at wonderful prices back when they offered their Christmas CDs.

Now it seems that Christmas is just the time to gouge us even more.

I admit that I am held hostage by Logos software. I have so much invested in it financially that I can't afford to switch to another brand of Bible software. But that doesn't mean I have to feel good about it or will recommend Logos to those young in ministry over whom I have influence.

Come on Bob, when and why did the ministry and marketing philosophies change at Logos so much? You are being done a great disservice by whoever is your marketing director.

I hope by next Christmas we will see some drastic changes in the marketing philosophy of Logos and the company will return to something that the 99% of us can feel good about again.

Cal H.

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DMB

Well, Calvin ... I agree that Logos missed its mission in life as a master marketer. I don't agree with them, but it's their company.

But 10% off anything you'd like IS unusual over a month period. Some of what you'd like doesn't have much profit margin .... some has a whole bunch. But Logos is letting you decide. That's unusual. Next time you get one of those 10% off everything, read all the fine print.

Now spending even more and getting an even higher percent off is VERY unusual. My impression is they listened to people on the forum?

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311305#Comment_311305

Carl, did you see that Logos is offering 12 days of Logos? That might be more of what you are looking for. The "10% match" is just in addition to that. Sounds like the deal during Christmas time has gotten sweeter, not more sour.

Denise, good point about the profit margin. hadn't really even thought of that.

Peace.

Paul Strickert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311305#Comment_311305

I agree that Logos missed its mission in life as a master marketer.

Ouch!

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311311#Comment_311311

How to find $5000 to maximize your savings on the 2011 Christmas LogosCash program.

Ask your church to advance your "Book Allowance" for 2012 (and 2013, and 2014 & ....)
Sell your boat, motorcycle, camper, big screen TV, stamp collection, golf cart, summer cottage, or race horse [:P] . (You get the idea..)
Pull out that credit card, the one with the zero balance.
Refinance your house at the new, lower interest rates.

If you are in a position to spend $5000 this month, here is the best deal you can swing out of this year's Christmas specials.

Buy the Portfolio Edition for 15% off.

Add to that another $1,353.51 of premium content you negotiate with a
salesperson or discover in the 12 Days of Logos Sale. You end up with
better than 33% savings.

If you have a few friends with enough cash lying around, what prevents all of you placing a $5000 combined order on one account and paying the license transfer fee of $20 each to divide the different purchased content to the appropriate payers?

Just thinking out loud here.

addendum: If your child is going to Bible College or seminary, consider cashing in some of their college fund for $5000 worth of Logos. That will help them immensely (remember, it will be sweetened an additional $2500.) If your child qualifies, buy the resources through the Academic pricing. [:D] About 30 years back, Bob Jones University offered me a 4 year Bachelor's degree paid-in-full certificate for a flat $10,000 per child. I am still kicking myself for not selling my house to buy a handful.

Tim Lord

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311311#Comment_311311

I really miss the Christmas "Library Builder" specials that Logos used to do every Christmas until several years ago. It was a excellent and enjoyable way for each us to build up our Logos libraries at greatly discounted book prices. I don't know why Logos does not do these anymore. Perhaps the shift from CDs to downloadable files makes the sale of such large bundles of book files purchased by numerous customers prohibitive for Logos due to the negative impact such a high volume of file downloads would have upon the Logos servers (as an example of what I mean, Logos had to impose limits with the Perseus downloads).

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311333#Comment_311333

Thankful for some Christmas specials on Vyrso for $ 0.00 pricing; added 5 more resources to my Logos library today.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Shawn Drewett

I admit that I am held hostage by Logos software. I have so much invested in it financially that I can't afford to switch to another brand of Bible software. But that doesn't mean I have to feel good about it or will recommend Logos to those young in ministry over whom I have influence.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I've not made many bad financial decisions in the past which I have regretted, but choosing Logos as my sole bible software years ago is one of them.

You are being done a great disservice by whoever is your marketing director.

I have no doubt personally that this new sales philosophy does not originate from within Logos' veteran staff , but at some point secular business models have been studied and implemented from the "big dogs". It's been a long time since I've bought anything because I simply can't afford it the way the sales are structured now.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311333#Comment_311333

I really miss the Christmas "Library Builder" specials that Logos used to do every Christmas until several years ago. It was a excellent and enjoyable way for each us to build up our Logos libraries at greatly discounted book prices. I don't know why Logos does not do these anymore. Perhaps the shift from CDs to downloadable files makes the sale of such large bundles of book files purchased by numerous customers prohibitive for Logos due to the negative impact such a high volume of file downloads would have upon the Logos servers (as an example of what I mean, Logos had to impose limits with the Perseus downloads).

I don't think downloads really have any affect on the structuring of a bundled sale. I imagine it has a lot more to do with coordinating the license holders' permissions with the sale plan. The 2010 Christmas Master Collection was the biggest "library builder" Logos has ever offered and at the cheapest rate per title. They offered several price levels and people complained. If they could not afford $1 per book, I don't know what to say except "sorry guys & gals." They even offered a 50% off build-your-own bundle. For Black Friday we saw more "library builder" styled bundles in affordable ranges.

The Perseus Collections were offered free so they are not particularly revenue-generating. In all fairness to Logos customers who paid for resources, Logos needs to meter the bandwidth of the Perseus downloads so the update speeds and delivery of purchased content is kept at a convenient level. Even when Jesus fed the multitudes they had to wait on the distribution. I would love a pick-your own bundle sale with no minimum or maximum and everything at 50% off regular selling prices. That is a "library builder" for everyone.

Dean J

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311373#Comment_311373

I don't really understand why people are so unhappy with Logos. I am a newbie but I am very pleased with what I can do with it, and I don't know of any other software that matches it. I am not happy with the way that older works, otherwise available often for free, are so prohibitively expensive (and I understand that they have to make the community pricing appealing), but other than that, I can't really fault them - and we live in a world where unfortunately many churches are run like marketing firms, but I can't fault Logos for offering a ten percent credit on Christmas purchases. Maybe I'm missing something and will see it as I spend longer around here, but it's sad for me to hear that older veterans of Logos are no longer happy with it. I wish I understood better where you're all coming from.

Edwin Bowden

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311379#Comment_311379

Someone wise once said, "You can't please all the people all of the time...."

Fabrice

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311382#Comment_311382

I agree with Denise Barnhart : "I agree that Logos missed its mission in life as a master marketer. I don't agree with them, but it's their company".

Very wisely said I think. I really feel bad that Logos members are obliged to always buy for hundreds of dollars. I'm a student, I've worked years to pay my $6000 fees for this year (in Theological Seminary). So, I'm really one of those who need to increase my library for research, but I'm the first one (and all students in my situation of course) who can't afford it ... so is it logical? So bargains is good but inaccessible, fortunately. I guess with this market policy it will be the decline of the trust we have in Logos.

BUT Logos program is very very good, and I thank the whole staff for working on it. That's undeniable. Only the policy is getting to aim money more than service.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311429#Comment_311429

Hi Fabrice

I really feel bad that Logos members are obliged to always buy for hundreds of dollars

I don't understand this statement.

I have just looked through some of the products on the Logos.com website and I believe there are 1,195 resources available for less than $10.

Clearly I have no idea whether any of these are relevant to what you are studying but it does show that Logos makes many books available for much less than hundreds of dollars.

Graham

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311429#Comment_311429

I'm a student, I've worked years to pay my $6000 fees for this year (in Theological Seminary). So, I'm really one of those who need to increase my library for research, but I'm the first one (and all students in my situation of course) who can't afford it ... so is it logical? So bargains is good but inaccessible, fortunately.

You may actually need the diploma from the Seminary, I don't know. That is a box the professional institutions like to keep students in. But I know many who live outside the box and advance quickly to great success. My siblings and myself were all home-schooled and three have Masters degrees from State University and accredited Seminaries. Some of my childhood friends orally tested out of Asian Studies Bachelor's and the Reagan White House selected them for a forward team when Reagan went to China. Two of my other friends ended up as top executives for GM and Ford in Japan. My point here is; instead of questioning how trustworthy Logos sales policies are, How about placing your seminary under the same microscope. For $40,000 You can gain a superior education outside of a seminary. Depending on what your vocational goal is, staying inside the box may be detrimental. Corporate headhunters screen for curricula vitæ not diplomas.

Non-traditional education is a proven method for excellence. (Check how the Robinson children are doing.) If I had to choose between attending Seminary and buying $20,000 to $40,000 worth of Logos resources, Logos wins out easily.

Kaye Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311440#Comment_311440

Logos is a business. Its job is to make profit, no matter how spiritual minded its products are. I am a Christian. My job is to use discernment in what I do, by the Holy Spirit's guidance and God's Word. That is one reason I rarely visit the Logos site or message boards these days. Seeing the new stuff or hearing of a sale can encourage me to spend where it is not wise for my need and situation. I work in a food pantry in Appalachian America where the cost of one book purchase can feed a family for a month in some cases. I have to keep perspective.

I wish you all peace and financial discernment in this blessed Christmas season where we remember and honor what really matters - God's gift of our Savior, who is all we really need, and the contentment that comes from truly knowing that.

Happy shopping!

Kaye

Fabrice

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311432#Comment_311432

Hey Graham, I only meant for bargains and special offers.

Actually I'm not that opposed against Logos Company than you think. I'm just stating on that "strange" policy. Of course on a regular basis, Logos has excellent books shop and lots of resources. And I totally accept that it's a business, I myself would love to work for that kind of job. As a student I would like to profit of some especial bargains and I feel like in the "Torment of Tantalus", I have no access to it.

And concerning following my master's degree outside the campus. I myself know that this is my place for now, ordained by God. To have the knowledge is not sufficient, and I learn a lot among other Christian on the campus. I can begin to serve the Lord here ... that I couldn't do as a (belgian) paratrooper. So, imho, it's not all about having the degree, it's about going toward what God has has planned for us, in a peculiar place at that moment.

Bob Schlessman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311329#Comment_311329

Ask your church to advance your "Book Allowance" for 2012 (and 2013, and 2014 & ....)

What's a "Book Allowance"? [:)]

Seriously, overall the pricing offered by Logos is very reasonable given the Dollars-spent/Resource ratio. But for those of us who serve small congregations and have to pay out of pocket for all of our ministry tools, to spend $5,000 is unheard of. I haven't spent $5,000 in the six years I have been using Logos software.

That said, I don't begrudge larger discounts for those who spend more. And Logos is a company that exists to provide a product while making a profit. Taking into account all of their customer base will guarantee that they will continue to do so.

Bob Schlessman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311382#Comment_311382

Someone wise once said, "You can't please all the people all of the time...."

[Y]

That was Abraham Lincoln, a fellow Illinoisan.

Bob Schlessman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311440#Comment_311440

Non-traditional education is a proven method for excellence. (Check how the Robinson children are doing.) If I had to choose between attending Seminary and buying $20,000 to $40,000 worth of Logos resources, Logos wins out easily.

I agree with you to a point Super Tramp. But non-traditional education isn't for everybody. There are some (myself included) who need the structure and discipline of a traditional education to get the basic foundation.

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311379#Comment_311379

I don't really understand why people are so unhappy with Logos. I am a newbie but I am very pleased with what I can do with it, and I don't know of any other software that matches it. I am not happy with the way that older works, otherwise available often for free, are so prohibitively expensive (and I understand that they have to make the community pricing appealing), but other than that, I can't really fault them - and we live in a world where unfortunately many churches are run like marketing firms, but I can't fault Logos for offering a ten percent credit on Christmas purchases. Maybe I'm missing something and will see it as I spend longer around here, but it's sad for me to hear that older veterans of Logos are no longer happy with it. I wish I understood better where you're all coming from.

Peace to you, Dean! *smile* And ............... Always Joy in the Lord!

I really appreciate your post, and I concur heartily! Indeed! I am a very long-term Logos user going back to around 1993 or 1994. It is truly remarkable software; and it enables me to study God's Word and a myriad of theological and original language resources in extremely powerful manner.

Like you, I honestly do not understand where some are coming from. Logos needs to make a profit. A lot of people depend upon their success. Their overhead must be tremendous. Even just the salaries plus all kinds of expenses that we wouldn't even know about. Also,Logos really truly takes care of their customers! *smile*

Thank you very much for your positive post. I also, with you, have tremendous appreciation of and respect for Logos! Proverbs 22:1

Jerry Fourroux

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311499#Comment_311499

As a newbie to Logos, I used Bibleworks primarily, but missed the ease of search or cited by.

The amount of resources I already own under Platinum and the Nelson Reference Bundle are still amazing if I never buy another resource.

Logos is amazing and my wife thinks I have an addiction to buy commentaries, but it has revolutionized my studying.

I wish I had purchased one of the Black Friday items, but oh well, there is always another sale or another resource.

I wish they had another Christmas bundle again, but alas, maybe next year.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311449#Comment_311449

Seeing the new stuff or hearing of a sale can encourage me to spend where it is not wise for my need and situation. I work in a food pantry in Appalachian America where the cost of one book purchase can feed a family for a month in some cases. I have to keep perspective.

(Highlights mine.) Yes, Kaye. And thank you for reminding us.
I know of Bible Colleges and Seminaries in Haiti, India, Mexico and South Africa where Logos Scholar Silver would pay for most of a preacher's education. And the vast majority of "affluent" Americans find a $40,000 education insurmountable. In the late 1980's I considered a job with the Department of Education as a type of circuit-riding educator in the Appalachians.
I don't mean to trivialize the bleak state many must live in. On the contrary, I was hoping to show an education can be acquired for a lot less than a brick & mortar seminary degree. As for book allowances; Lincoln walked great distances to borrow a single book. When we read a borrowed book we return the book but keep the knowledge we've gleaned. We do not have to own the physical book.
Back to what I believe your point is; It is all too easy to justify a large expenditure for things related to "Spiritual growth" while ignoring the "true religion" we read of in James 1:27 and Matthew 25:34-40
When Mother Teresa visited the USA, her entourage traveled in a caravan of motorhomes. I withhold judgement on that. Wheaton College is one of the world's finest schools in my opinion. I won't argue the ethics of spending more money for a superior education. Likewise, if someone spends the money on Logos, I will leave their motives and wisdom between their conscience and God.
God bless you as you practice true religion.

nicky crane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311503#Comment_311503

Logos blog: 12 Days of Logos has returned with a dozen amazing deals for a dozen days!

The 12 Days of Logos brings huge discounts on one product per day for 12 consecutive weekdays. Starting yesterday and running through December 21, we’ll be posting a new deal every Monday–Friday on12DaysofLogos.com. Tremendous savings are in store, so check back each day for a new deal!

(emphasis mine)

I don't think this applies to $3 off regular price for Hermeneutics spiral. I feel Logos is being less straightforward than usual in making this claim. OK, I'm not obliged to buy it, and I'm not inclined to after reading what I consider to be misleading sales talk.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311969#Comment_311969

I don't think this applies to $3 off regular price for Hermeneutics spiral.

yeah, a little underwhelmed, and I already own it. Kindle version is a bit cheaper. but I'd take it in Logos any day and it is still cheaper than hardbound on Amazon by about $3.

It's a great little book.

Joe Mayden

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312047#Comment_312047

I have been a Logos user since the beginning. What I am learning is that the longer you have been a user and taken advantage of the good deals at Mo's seminars, the 12 days of Christmas, etc. we have picked the good stuff clean.

There comes a point that unless you just want to brag on having a big library, you are spending money you don't need to spend. You already have the necessary tools to do the study.

I turned 65 this year and I see young folks buying things that I already have and am using or bought and found out I don't really need. Thinking back over my purchases there have on more than one occasion been a purchase because of a good deal that I have yet to use or used so infrequently that it didn't justify the purchase.

We have an unbelievable resource in Logos to explore God's Word, church history, great theology and glean from the minds of the likes of John Owen, N T Wright, Francis Shaeffer, etc. But I have so many books in my library I will never get to them all.

Some options might be to find a seminary student that doesn't have logos and buy him a package or a seminary student that does have Logos but doesn't have the bucks to buy BADG or Halot or a commentary set, etc.

I have observed my missionary friends at times receiving something, they could have used, but then knowing someone who needs it worse than they do and they give it away.

There comes a point when we need to say, "I think I have enough books to do what I need to do".

Ecclesiastes 12:12 (NASB95) 12But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body.

Just a thought!

Dan Francis

The 50% is likely on the more public domain items, i found out that Interpretation would offer a $200 credit… which is about 25%. I believe I heard one person stating a similar amount for the NIC. If I could get a credit of 50% I would buy interpretation today.

-Dan

You can't spend $100 and get 50% of the total in Logos credit. (silly me) You have to watch the qualifiers. "up to". You have to spend $5,000 (or more) to get the 50% credit. Thankfully for the 1% who can spend $5,000 on Bible software "there’s no cap to the amount you can earn!" (Although does someone who can afford to spend that much really NEED that big of a rebate?)

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312130#Comment_312130

Has anybody read today's blog? Here.

and, in case you don't want to bother clicking on the link, here is a capture of what I an referring to:

What this also means is you can buy $5000 or more of your most desired resources. Put it on a 12 month payment plan with only $5 per month "interest" (as many like to call it.)

You could have an order like this:

You can have this collection for $738 per month for 12 months.

That will include a $4,398 credit for future purchases.

Bottom line is you get $13837.5 or better (If you shop wisely in 2012 you can stretch that credit another $1500 or so.) for 12 payments of $738.

I like this deal so much, I am considering selling my 1974 Mercury Montclair and my pickup truck. [:O] Just say "YES!"

Please do not contact me about my vehicles, this forum is not Crag's list.

Ryan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312159#Comment_312159

You forgot to publish your anti-capitalist, occupy Logos drivel in the form of a picture of your post written on an 8-1/2" x 11" piece of white paper.

Paul N

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312165#Comment_312165

lol Ryan, only problem is that Logos pays for two Logos users' school tuition each semester. [:P]

Paul Golder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311969#Comment_311969

I feel Logos is being less straightforward than usual in making this claim.

That's what I though this thread was going to be about when I first saw it (and why I popped into the forums today, to see if anyone else had noticed the less than "tremendous savings").

Discounts so far:

N. T. Wright Collection = 23.3% off
The New Unger’s Bible Handbook = 35.1% off
The Hermeneutical Spiral = 20.2% off

But then, I imagine that "tremendous savings" is a very subjective phrase...

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312165#Comment_312165

You forgot to publish your anti-capitalist, occupy Logos drivel in the form of a picture of your post written on an 8-1/2" x 11" piece of white paper.

Huh? [:^)] Uh, Huh? [*-)] Umm, Huh? [8-)]

"Occupy" ..... As in West Bank?

Paul Golder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312175#Comment_312175

Today's sale:

Camp Logos Live = 12.9% off

Ryan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312193#Comment_312193

You forgot to publish your anti-capitalist, occupy Logos drivel in the form of a picture of your post written on an 8-1/2" x 11" piece of white paper.

Huh? Uh, Huh? Umm, Huh?

"Occupy" ..... As in West Bank?

As in "Occupy Wallstreet", since his entire post was completely written in the "Occupy Wallstreet" "I'm am the 99%" format.

As can be found here-http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

Example-

Puke.

For all I know, the 99% example could very well be our OP...

lol Ryan, only problem is that Logos pays for two Logos users' school tuition each semester.

My post was completely 100% facetious.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312307#Comment_312307

My post was completely 100% facetious.

I get it now, but You gotta be kidding! These 99 per-centers actually believed what the politicians told them?! [:|] They kinda deserve what they voted for. I bet they do it to themselves again. What a bunch of crybabies.

I will agree they are in the 99% because hard times fall on everybody. Life is rough if you go it alone. But even if I have to sleep in my car and stand in soup lines, I'm going to be fine. I'm not alone. I have a friend who is closer than a brother.

For all I know, the 99% example could very well be our OP...

I can assure you the OP for this thread is not one of "them." Calvin is a real cool dude that is making a point that many Logos users can relate to. Every now and then my feathers get ruffled too. Just not this time on this issue.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312159#Comment_312159

my 1974 Mercury Montclair

I think my dad had a 70 Montclair. Totaled around 71. Bungled repair by the repairman who was transitioning to operating a "worm farm" on the same premises. used stacks of washers to level the car. Southern IL. replaced with an Army Green Dodge Cornet 440. Four door. sigh.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312331#Comment_312331

ad hominem alert

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311969#Comment_311969

. I feel Logos is being less straightforward than usual in making this claim. OK, I'm not obliged to buy it, and I'm not inclined to after reading what I consider to be misleading sales talk.

Nicky this is the case with every Logos Sale. The discount quoted is always based on the list price, not the logos price. And this practice does concern me as a consumer, but its up to them to decide if what is allowable by law is an appropriate for them to adopt as a business practice.

For me I ignore the headlines about save 80% or save 50%. I search google for a cached copy of the page and find out the real discount I am getting off the regular Logos price rather than the inflated discount from the marketing guys at logos. I found some instances in the October Pastor Appreciation Month where I was really disappointed with Logos for making bold claims about the savings, but the real saving was actually very small, when you compared it to the regular Logos price. But then there were some real gems.

Logos is more expensive than other products and unfortunately they seem to feel the need to overcompensate when they put on a sale by basing the discount on list price instead of their regular price.

When it comes to any discount offered, even from a retailer offering 'christian focused' product the old caveats, "Buyer beware" and" if its sounds to good to be true, it probably is" always need to be remembered.

For me I don't see they "Christmas credit sale" as all that good an offer from a consumers point of view. If you intended to make a purchase this month, then by all means take advantage of it, but don't do so for the sake of getting a credit. The first four days of Christmas haven't offered anything for me personally to get excited about.....maybe that will change.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312159#Comment_312159

You can have this collection for $738 per month for 12 months.

That will include a $4,398 credit for future purchases.

Bottom line is you get $13837.5 or better (If you shop wisely in 2012 you can stretch that credit another $1500 or so.) for 12 payments of $738.

I like this deal so much, I am considering selling my 1974 Mercury Montclair and my pickup truck. Just say "YES!"

Please do not contact me about my vehicles, this forum is not Crag's list.

I am happy for you if that's an appropriate and responsible thing for you to do...it does not mean it's an appropriate and responsible thing for everyone else to do. Payment plans are not new, I use them, but I would not run up this amount of money on payment plans.

The above deal is not what is being suggested users should do on the blog post. To be quite frank it is quite irresponsible of you to suggest to users to do something like this...you are only enhancing a negative image of Logos and their motives by making such a suggestion, particularly when you are carrying the Logos MVP logo next to you "name". And then there is the aspect of encouraging a weaker brother or sister to make a financially irresponsible decision.

I cannot fault you on your enthusiasm for Logos Bible Software, but someday's you need to learn to curtail that enthusiasm and really think about before putting finger to keyboard....because you seriously end up doing Logos a dis-service.

...and a word of advice since you already own Portfolio, or have at least indicated you do in the past, this is actually not a really smart deal for you.

nicky crane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312047#Comment_312047

I don't think this applies to $3 off regular price for Hermeneutics spiral.

yeah, a little underwhelmed, and I already own it. Kindle version is a bit cheaper. but I'd take it in Logos any day and it is still cheaper than hardbound on Amazon by about $3.

It's a great little book.

I missed noticing that you mentioned kindle version, and it didn't show upon internet, but I downloaded a free PDF and sent it to kindle, so I now have a free kindle version! And PDF if I prefer it in that format!

nicky crane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312496#Comment_312496

Andrew, I think Super Tramp had his tongue in his cheek. [;)]

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311501#Comment_311501

As a newbie to Logos, I used Bibleworks primarily, but missed the ease of search or cited by.

Wiki has Getting Started with Logos => Cited By with Tips and links.

I wish I had purchased one of the Black Friday items, but oh well, there is always another sale or another resource.

Noticed Black Friday bundles still available; albeit with noticeably higher prices => Essential Biblical Studies Bundle (160 vols.) is now $ 1,599.95 (if can combine with other purchases to reach 50 % credit, then ~ $ 800 credit is a better deal for this bundle than Black Friday price plus spending ~ $ 800 more)

If can afford to pay $ 500 per month, then Christmas Credit offers $ 5,940 of purchases now, with payments spread over 12 months plus credit of $ 2,970 for future purchases (currently excludes pre-pubs, but that may change). Hence spending $ 6,000 over one year can receive $ 8,910 of resources, which could substantially increase a library.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Praiser

I don't have any concerns about the Logos Christmas Sale, and in fact appreciate the Logos Cash offer! I have purchased several resources this month that will earn me Logos cash. I will be purchasing more resources before the end of December so I can take full advantage of the offer.
Not all resources selected for a sale this Christmas will fit everyones desires, but Logos Cash will!
There are several publishers that do not allow for any further discounts on their products such as:
Zondervan
Baker
Galaxie (Theological Journals)
Wallbuilders

So if there are any of these resources that you are really wanting, now is the time to get them and earn some Logos Cash in the process.

Remember Zondervan is releasing new resources to Logos next year...sounds like something I will use my Logos Cash toward.

Thank you Logos for offering Logos Cash on our purchases this month!

Can we see another Master Collection this Christmas too??? That would be awesome!

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312530#Comment_312530

Your point on planning for future resources that won't likely have much discounting is a good one.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312530#Comment_312530

There are several publishers that do not allow for any further discounts on their products such as:
Zondervan
Baker
Galaxie (Theological Journals)
Wallbuilders

Thank you for pointing this out. The Logos cash/credit promotion can not be applied to forth-coming Pre-Pubs.. My purchases are almost exclusively Community Pricing, Pre-Pubs, and sale items.

Baker Academic has a LOT of new titles I did not buy in Pre-Pub because I knew I could pick them up anytime.This would be a good target to apply Logos credit to.

Sacrifice

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312605#Comment_312605

Presently, the Logos $$$ cannot be spent on Pre-pubs, however, according to the "details section" - "Christmas Credit is Logos.com credit and can be used to purchases anything available on Logos.com. It cannot currently be used to pay for Pre-Pubs, but this may change in the future."

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312617#Comment_312617

Presently, the Logos $$ cannot be spent on Pre-pubs, however, according to the "details section" - "Christmas Credit is Logos.com credit and can be used to purchases anything available on Logos.com. It cannot currently be used to pay for Pre-Pubs, but this may change in the future."

I am hopeful it will change. The current system does not allow for pre-payment of Pre-Pubs..Once a title has shipped, and the price jumped, it is possible to apply account credit. This requires manual override.

I am wondering if applying credit to any purchase requires a manual override. If it does, why can't the CS rep also re-instate the Pre-Pub price when processing the order?

Logos has made a few improvements in the in the accounting software in the past year. Account credit is now visible in the Account details page.In the old days only Customer Service would know whether or not you had any credit.

Paul Golder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/312617#Comment_312617

Day 5, Orthodoxy by G. K. Chesterton = 91.8% off [Y]

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/313001#Comment_313001

free in Kindle

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/313007#Comment_313007

free in Kindle

"indexed" in Logos & available on all your devices at once. [:D]

Richard Koons

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/311449#Comment_311449

So are we to assume the Lord is also a business?

Richard Koons

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/313160#Comment_313160

Somehow I must have skipped over the part in the bible where it is said it is ok to profit from the word of Yah! Now don't have anything against the software itself if making a some profit but if the Ceo and share holders have a lot from it then enjoy it because your future is more than likely going to get a bit hot so to speak. Something is terribly wrong with this whole concept I'd say repent while it is still today the money-changers have no reward or place to come in the coming Kingdom being a priest like Baalam well get you no-where face