Englishman's Concordance
How do you use the Englishman's Concordance in Logos 4?
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I should clarify myself. In Logos 3, you can right click a word and then left click Englishman's concordance, and it will give all the instances in which the original word is used through the bible. How do you do that in Logos 4.
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The way to do that in Logos 4 is to right click on the word. When the panel opens up you should see a listing for the Strong's #. Click on that and then select "Search this Resource" on the left hand side. The results will not look like the version3 Englishman's concordance, but will give you every listing of that word in the Old or New Testament.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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I wondered that, too.
- Right-click the word
- In the right column of the pop up, click Strong's
- In the left column of the pop up, click Search this resource
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If you have a text tagged with Strong's numbers right click on the word, in the right column click "Strongs #????" and then click "search this resource"
If the English text has Greek behind it (for the reverse interlinears) right click on the word, then click "lemma" in the right and "search this resource" on the left
Then in the search window click "aligned" to put all the translations of that original language term in a column like in Logos 3.
Prov. 15:23
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JackZhang said:
How do you use the Englishman's Concordance in Logos 4?
Run a Bible Word Study on the English word, then click the Greek or Hebrew word in the center of a ring-graph, and you'll see English search hits grouped by the underlying Greek or Hebrew word.
Or right-click on an English word in a Bible with a reverse interlinear (like the KJV or ESV) and then do the Bible Word Study on the Greek or Hebrew word. Clicking the center of the ring-graphs there will show results grouped by the underlying Greek or Hebrew word.
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(Strong's Numbers are just proxies for Greek and Hebrew words, designed to make paper reference books easier for people who don't know Greek/Hebrew alphabet, alphabetical order, etc. With digital tools and reverse interlinears, students who don't know the languages can still work directly on the Greek or Hebrew lemma, making Strong's less necessary.)
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Bob Pritchett said:
(Strong's Numbers are just proxies for Greek and Hebrew words, designed to make paper reference books easier for people who don't know Greek/Hebrew alphabet, alphabetical order, etc. With digital tools and reverse interlinears, students who don't know the languages can still work directly on the Greek or Hebrew lemma, making Strong's less necessary.)
you make George very happy.
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Philip Spitzer said:
you make George very happy.
I hope he's reading this so he can benefit from this excellent piece of information.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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This is weird. I've got the ESV interlinear open and I tried a right click search using both strong's numbers and the lemma (working in 1 Peter, tried a couple of different verses and words) and I'm getting no hits. Tried it in a couple of different interlinears as well. No hits.
Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
John
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John Murphy said:
This is weird. I've got the ESV interlinear open and I tried a right click search using both strong's numbers and the lemma (working in 1 Peter, tried a couple of different verses and words) and I'm getting no hits. Tried it in a couple of different interlinears as well. No hits.
Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
John
Select from you left hand box window. Presently, you are simply clicking on the lemma. select lemma then select "search this resource" etc on your left hand section.
Ted
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I did that and no results. Right click on word | lemma | search this resource. Tried it with strong's numbers and louw-nida. No joy. It will do a search for an english word, but not for anything else. Works with NA27, but not ESV.
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John Murphy said:
I did that and no results. Right click on word | lemma | search this resource. Tried it with strong's numbers and louw-nida. No joy. It will do a search for an english word, but not for anything else. Works with NA27, but not ESV.
If I am following you, I tried the same thing (1 Peter 1:1 'dispersion'), asked to search for the lemma via 'Search this Resource' and go this:
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Weird. I'll post a screenshot of my results doing the exact same search:
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Sorry about the size of the picture. Here is a better picture.
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Philip Spitzer said:Bob Pritchett said:
(Strong's Numbers are just proxies for Greek and Hebrew words, designed to make paper reference books easier for people who don't know Greek/Hebrew alphabet, alphabetical order, etc. With digital tools and reverse interlinears, students who don't know the languages can still work directly on the Greek or Hebrew lemma, making Strong's less necessary.)
you make George very happy.
Actually, that was George typing with Bob tied up to a chair at the Pritchett house.
Robert Pavich
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John Murphy said:
I did that and no results. Right click on word | lemma | search this resource. Tried it with strong's numbers and louw-nida. No joy. It will do a search for an english word, but not for anything else. Works with NA27, but not ESV.
Check and see if you have an ESV interlinear for V4. If not you will need to cross-grade to get this feature. Ted
Dell, studio XPS 7100, Ram 8GB, 64 - bit Operating System, AMD Phenom(mt) IIX6 1055T Processor 2.80 GHZ
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Yep. Got it. Not sure what the problem is... Might have to call Logos Support...
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John Murphy said:
Yep. Got it. Not sure what the problem is... Might have to call Logos Support...
How strange, at this point i think calling Logos support is a good idea.
Ted
Dell, studio XPS 7100, Ram 8GB, 64 - bit Operating System, AMD Phenom(mt) IIX6 1055T Processor 2.80 GHZ
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John Murphy said:
Yep. Got it. Not sure what the problem is... Might have to call Logos Support...
If you perform a "Basic" search on the Entire Library, does it display a yellow bar stating that your library is being indexed? I think it's possible that an initial index of your library might have completed (allowing English searches to work), but the reverse interlinears might still be getting indexed (preventing lemma or morph searches from working).
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I do get a yellow bar asking if I want to merge documents. Maybe that's it. The OT interlinears are working. I'll give it some time and see if it starts working. Thanks Bradley. You guys are doing a great job responding to all these minor problems.
Love Logos 4!
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Bob Pritchett said:
With digital tools and reverse interlinears, students who don't know the languages can still work directly on the Greek or Hebrew lemma,
This is actually my worst fear about Bible software. Even before the software, I saw a great deal of pseudo-knowledge of original languages in radio shows, free literature, and homilies. In Graduate school we came up with the definition of knowing a language - don't claim to know it until you read it in the bathroom. (We were talking Sanskrit, Tibetan, Pali et. al. but the principle holds.)
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Robert Pavich said:
Actually, that was George typing with Bob tied up to a chair at the Pritchett house.
:-)
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Here's an analogy that may be helpful. I don't need to know exactly what's happening under the hood to be able to drive my car. But i can also crash it into a tree, so i still need to be responsible in the way i use it. And i still need to understand some basic concepts (like acceleration, braking, and steering) to be able to use it responsibly.
Our tools will not make you a Greek or Hebrew scholar: that requires an enormous investment of time. We're just trying to make it possible for as many people as possible to get as much benefit as they can from the time they do have to invest.
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MJ. Smith said:
This is actually my worst fear about Bible software. Even before the software, I saw a great deal of pseudo-knowledge of original languages in radio shows, free literature, and homilies. In Graduate school we came up with the definition of knowing a language - don't claim to know it until you read it in the bathroom. (We were talking Sanskrit, Tibetan, Pali et. al. but the principle holds.)
All four of the Sunday homilies I heard on my recent holidays made a claim about the Greek or Hebrew 'real meaning' which was completely wrong.
Why do we not have James Barr's Semantics of Biblical Langauge in Logos. One professor at the PBI said that any student who had not read it by graduation should be denied graduation.
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Sean Boisen said:
Our tools will not make you a Greek or Hebrew scholar: that requires an enormous investment of time. We're just trying to make it possible for as many people as possible to get as much benefit as they can from the time they do have to invest.
Logos does provide tools that really help in learning the languages - I appreciate that well enough that I embarked upon Greek and Hebrew this summer. I'm just a little shy of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" stage. It's not Logos software that scares me - its the users.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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It was the indexing. Interlinears work now. Thanks for the tip, Bradley.
John
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I get 2 instances in Logos 4 using this method and 3 in Logos 3 Englishman's (Amos 1, shepherd)
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πάντα εἰς δόξαν θεοῦ ποιεῖτε
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MJ. Smith said:
I'm just a little shy of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" stage. It's not Logos software that scares me - its the users.
Martha,
I'm teaching (and have been for several years) myself Greek...its' been tough going...
So I'm acutely aware of what you're talking about....basically for someone like me...I stick to what's been said before in reputable resources and don't stray off the path into ..."the REAL meaning is...."
Having said that....these kinds of errors are not limited to the newbie...I've seen the same type of error by people who should know better. We all have our blind spots [:O]
PS: OT but I really appreciate your insights...your a peach.
Robert Pavich
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