12 Days of Logos Underwhelming?

Well, with the posting of the last offer in this year’s “12 Days of Logos” I must admit of being underwhelmed compared to last year, which was also my first Logos Christmas. If I didn’t have Pillar (Platinum plus Hebrews) that was a good offer. The NIV Application commentary series is not something I was thinking about but will consider it a bit given its unique approach. The WBC series (Nelson Bundle) is not too far from my budget, and certainly the WBC series is well represented over at Best Commentaries.com. But I do have a number of technical commentaries (hence my interest in the NIV set).

I will need to re-examine the Logos credit offer, as I think this is where the real Christmas deal lies this year. However, it is not lost on me that unless one can find something discounted you are buying a product(s) at regular price. Perhaps in some minds these prices are already 15%-25% inflated (?). Good deals, good credit program, and a few interesting offers. Still as I consider various other online Christmas buying situations for my family (kids) and myself this year, I am left where I started - underwhelmed this year. Hopefully others feel differently.

Perhaps as someone else has stated, folks with a few resources on their virtual shelves are going to see less appeal in these types of promotions. Speaking of not only Logos, but all such companies (Bible programs) and e-book platforms, it is too bad that Biblical publishers haven’t realized the other business model – lower prices combined with mass sales equal very good returns on investment, especially as time goes along and the initial investment costs have already been paid. Anyway, this is not a rant as much as a quiet whimper. J

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Paul-C

I will need to re-examine the Logos credit offer, as I think this is where the real Christmas deal lies this year. However, it is not lost on me that unless one can find something discounted you are buying a product(s) at regular price.

I think you "hit the nail on the head" here.

The resource(s) you buy during the Christmas promotion will be full price (assuming you don't go for anything in 12 Days of Logos), however once you've earned your Christmas credit, the next resource(s) you buy in the New Year will be effectively heavily discounted - or free - because of that Christmas credit.

Rev Chris

I agree, to an extent. The 12 Days of Logos didn't do much for me. I like that they were promoting big packages rather than individual titles, but they weren't the packages I was interested in. Frankly, the packages that are in "live" status that I'm interested in are already out of my price range for the moment (such as the AYB) and would be even with a sale. But I can see how if someone was interested in the NIV or the WBC that the deals were good for them.

I was tempted to go with the Pillar commentary, and am now really glad I didn't. The deal that WAS worth it for me was not part of the "12 Days of Logos" but instead was the base package deal. Previously I had Scholar's and had spent most of my investment on pre-pubs. Since my credit card for Logos purchases is being paid off this month, I was hoping I could upgrade my base package to something a little more representative of my total investment in Logos! I now have the Scholars Gold package and once March or April comes around and I have this upgrade paid off I can upgrade to Platinum for really cheap with my Logos Christmas credit. That will give me the Pillar commentary, which is why I am glad I didn't jump on that deal!

Graham Owen

Well, with the posting of the last offer in this year’s “12 Days of Logos” I must admit of being underwhelmed compared to last year, which was also my first Logos Christmas.

I agree with the sentiment and can't help feeling that we are now living with the reality of Logos' generosity during previous Christmas offerings. To date I either already have the offered resource/collection, have most of the collection or am not sure that the offer would really benefit my library. Personally I'd like a package that gave me a good price on all the "missing" volumes in various collections I already partly have which I guess is the whole point of the "money back" offer.

The only problem is how do I figure out what all these missing resources are, I know some i.e. a couple in WBC and 1 in Pillar but there are others that remain a mystery.

Rod Bergen

I will need to re-examine the Logos credit offer, as I think this is where the real Christmas deal lies this year.

The math on the Christmas credit is straightforward and equates to the following discounts on the entire purchase, i.e. both the initial purchase and the items acquired using the credits (assuming you are purchasing everything at regular prices):

20% credit = 16.67% discount

25% credit = 20.00% discount

30% credit = 23.08% discount

40% credit = 28.57% discount

50% credit = 33.33% discount

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316145#Comment_316145

Taxee .... I thought you were going to lighten up on the business-thing!

But luckily the resources I had my proverbial 'evil eye' on included additional discounts and so the credit percent ended up as the actual discount percent and even more.

But your calculation would have been great earlier when I was busily computing it incorrectly.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316145#Comment_316145

Zondervan Bible Reference Bundle (87 vols.) $2024.95 $1799.95 a $225 savings or 11% discount

20% credit = 16.67% discount + 11.11% discount = 27.77% $562 savings off the $2025 regular selling price

25% credit = 20.00% discount + 11.11% discount = 31.11% $629 savings off the $2025 regular selling price

. 30% credit = 23.08% discount + 11.11% discount = 34.19% $692 savings off the $2025 regular selling price

40% credit = 28.57% discount + 11.11% discount = 39.68% $803 savings off the $2025 regular selling price

50% credit = 33.33% discount + 11.11% discount = 44.44% $900 savings off the $2025 regular selling price

This is the most conservative estimate of savings potential. It assumes you do not use the Logos Credit to purchase anything at less than regular selling price. In reality, many people will find sales opportunities in 2012 that may be beyond their "mad money" piggy bank range. Having some bucks in their Logos Credit column may enable them to take advantage of a good deal that saves them even more money: a deal they otherwise would have passed on.

If everyone remembers, when the Zondervan Bundle first shipped, there was quite a discussion over the pricing. I think Logos has done well in offering this set with this big of a savings. I would call $562 to $900 an overwhelming discount.

toughski

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316159#Comment_316159

Having some bucks in their Logos Credit column may enable them to take advantage of a good deal that saves them even more money

This is the same logic as "let's pay more taxes, so we can have a bigger tax credit". All in all, 11% for 87 books, many(?) of which may not be useful (or are a duplicate), is NOT a very good deal.

Having some CASH (instead of Logos Credit) may enable them to take advantage of a good deal that saves them even more money.

This is the most conservative estimate of savings potential

In business and in real life, the best estimate of cost is the most conservative one.

It assumes you do not use the Logos Credit to purchase anything at less than regular selling price

because it is naive to assume that LOGOS is going to discount the resources I need/want.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316164#Comment_316164

All in all, 11% for 87 books, many(?) of which may not be useful (or are a duplicate), is NOT a very good deal.

[8-|] For those forum readers who have difficulty with reading comprehension, I will type it s-l-o-w-e-r this time:

   20% credit = 16.67% discount + 11.11% discount = 27.77% $562 savings off the $2025 regular selling price

   25% credit = 20.00% discount + 11.11% discount = 31.11% $629 savings off the $2025 regular selling price

. 30% credit = 23.08% discount + 11.11% discount = 34.19% $692 savings off the $2025 regular selling price

   40% credit = 28.57% discount + 11.11% discount = 39.68% $803 savings off the $2025 regular selling price

   50% credit = 33.33% discount + 11.11% discount = 44.44% $900 savings off the $2025 regular selling price

Having some CASH (instead of Logos Credit)

Once again, Logos rewards the faithful. [;)]

because it is naive to assume that LOGOS is going to discount the resources I need/want.

I honestly believe I have only paid regular selling price for this book, and it was worth it! Very few titles are exempt from sales. If you post your wish list in your profile page, I bet we can check off everything on it sometime during 2012 that gets offered on sale somewhere. [C] Try it.

Mark Barnes

Well, with the posting of the last offer in this year’s “12 Days of Logos” I must admit of being underwhelmed compared to last year, which was also my first Logos Christmas.

Although I didn't buy anything from the 12 Days (I had all but 2 products already), this has been the best Logos Christmas for me, and the only one I have really bought into. In previous years we had mega-collections, heavily discounted, but I had too many of those resources already, and the ones I didn't have I wasn't interested in. But this year, the Logos credit thing has effectively introduced discounts across the board. Personally I much prefer smaller discounts on products I want than larger discounts on products I don't really want. Even better, that discount is on top of the academic discount I already get, which isn't the case for all the other Christmas or black Friday deals we've seen before. I started going through the entire catalogue picking out books I would like, and easily added enough to get a decent percentage discount via Logos credit. And I've got enough products still in my wishlist to spend that credit on in January. It's been fantastic.

However, it is not lost on me that unless one can find something discounted you are buying a product(s) at regular price.

Remember that you can just choose products 'On Sale' from the left-hand filter. It's a good place to start.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316143#Comment_316143

Well, with the posting of the last offer in this year’s “12 Days of Logos” I must admit of being underwhelmed compared to last year, which was also my first Logos Christmas.

I agree with the sentiment and can't help feeling that we are now living with the reality of Logos' generosity during previous Christmas offerings. To date I either already have the offered resource/collection, have most of the collection or am not sure that the offer would really benefit my library.

I think what we're all experiencing, those of us who have been Logos customers for a while, is the reality that eventually you've already got most of the good stuff that you're going to get. So if they offer "12 Days" deals on great products you already have, that's wonderful for all the newer Logos customers, but ho-hum for you. It's not necessarily that Logos is being less generous this year than in previous years. It's that their generosity is benefiting those who haven't benefited from it as much before. Sit back and let them enjoy the pleasure. And think of how much you're saving by not buying anything this season! [:)]

Paul N

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316164#Comment_316164

Having some bucks in their Logos Credit column may enable them to take advantage of a good deal that saves them even more money

This is the same logic as "let's pay more taxes, so we can have a bigger tax credit". All in all, 11% for 87 books, many(?) of which may not be useful (or are a duplicate), is NOT a very good deal.

Having some CASH (instead of Logos Credit) may enable them to take advantage of a good deal that saves them even more money.

Toughski are you sure you are reading ST correctly? Your tax credit anaology assumes the Logos books you receive in return for your payment are nothing but a burden to you. If you receive credit and books, I wouldn't exactly say its like paying taxes. Through the credit offer you give your money more spending power with your current purchases. Not too many places allow my $1000 to yield an extra $300 just because I spent it at a certain time. Say two people anticipated Logos offering this credit program and both intend to buy books. One spends $2500 now, while the other person keeps his cash liquid. January 15, 2011 rolls around (assuming credit has been distributed) the spender now enjoys $2500 worth of books + $1000 in credit while the saver still has his $2500. How is this not a good deal if you have the disposable income?

Garrett Ho

Perhaps as someone else has stated, folks with a few resources on their virtual shelves are going to see less appeal in these types of promotions. Speaking of not only Logos, but all such companies (Bible programs) and e-book platforms, it is too bad that Biblical publishers haven’t realized the other business model – lower prices combined with mass sales equal very good returns on investment, especially as time goes along and the initial investment costs have already been paid.

Again, this is an issue with publishers. Logos often does not determine prices.

Even still, there is a problem with the high-volume approach - the spillover effect to print books and prices, especially with already small print runs on some academic titles. Some solutions that we propose have consequences we haven't considered. It is not today that they aren't viable, but the situation is never as simple as we make it seem.

Also, although I haven't taken advantage of many Christmas deals, I think it is more a function of my library size than the deals. If someone doesn't have the Zondefvan set or WBC and has the money, this is a good time to buy. The credit doesn't expire, either. So just use it at the next march madness, or other sale, of you are patient.

toughski

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316179#Comment_316179

I'll refrain from bashing your math or your character - just make an observation: getting 20%-50% credit ASSUMES that one needs/wants enough resources to justify spending $100-5000+

BTW, discounts don't add, they average. But, after all it is 5th grade math.

If you post your wish list in your profile page, I bet we can check off everything on it sometime during 2012 that gets offered on sale somewhere. Try it.

I would be willing to pay full price for Sermon Add-On for Logos4 (I realize it is not a book, but still, I am taking you up on your offer) as well as PB that works with foreign languages.

Mark O'Hearn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316201#Comment_316201

Good (general) discussion folks. Mark the credit program certainly is a nice (new) feature. In my wishlist I have the Works of Ironside and HALOT. With a December 1 purchase (Pillar Hebrews), which I made prior to learning about the credit program, if I decide to purchase Ironside I will get HALOT about 1/2 off in January. Indeed, not bad at all.

Notwithstanding, Rosie I think you are correct; I will be spending less money this Christmas than last year. And for the record certainly my comments are not a criticism just my personal reflection on this year's Christmas deals compared to last year.

Best regards

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316159#Comment_316159

I would call $562 to $900 an overwhelming discount.

Your maths isn't quite right because you can't add percentages to percentages. To give a real-life illustration, if you buy the ZBRB for $1,799.95, you'll get 30% credit, which equates to $539.96. So, you'll spend $1,799.95 and get products valued at $2,024.95+$539.96 = £2,564.91. That's a discount of $764.96 or 29.82%.

To give another illustration: If you also purchased another $700 worth products now, then your discount rate would go up. So if you added in the Nelson Reference collection at $599.95 and the Calvin Commentary Series for $129.95 the discount rate would now be:

Your products normally sold for $2,024.95+$899.95+$399.95 = $3,324.85
You've paid: $1,799.95+$599.95+$129.95 = $2,529.85
You've earned 40% credit = $1,011.94

So, you've paid $2,529.85 to get $3,324.85+$1,011.94 ($4,336.79) worth of resources. That's a saving of $1,806.94 or 41.67%.

<edit>I'm 30 cents out in my normal price of ZBRB. It will make a tiny difference, but I'm not working it all out again!</edit>

Graham Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316187#Comment_316187

And think of how much you're saving by not buying anything this season!

Agreed and it is actually good news for me as I have been out of work since October and don't start my new job until January so I'm not being tempted to spend money that I don't really have. If my situation was different I would probably be taking advantage of the buy and get money back offer as that looks like it could be a good way forward for those of us who have over dosed on Logos' previous generosity!

toughski

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316191#Comment_316191

the spender now enjoys $2500 worth of books + $1000 in credit while the saver still has his $2500. How is this not a good deal if you have the disposable income?

Paul, I know. But you both assume that 1) there is sufficient disposable income to make % worthwhile, 2) there are enough resources that one wants/needs at a decent price to spend $2500 (even if I wanted Zondervan bundle, it would not be a good value for me), 3) there are no other better "investments" of one's disposable income.

Your tax credit anaology assumes the Logos books you receive in return for your payment are nothing but a burden to you.

no, of course not. But getting duplicate/unwanted resources in bundles could be classified as "dead weight"

Brooks Cochran

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316187#Comment_316187

I agree. I either have or am not interested in the offerings.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316201#Comment_316201

I'll refrain from bashing your math or your character

Why thank you for that kindness.

just make an observation: getting 20%-50% credit ASSUMES that one needs/wants enough resources to justify spending $100-5000+

Logos is correct in that assumption. It isn't hard to find $5000 worth of Logos resources I would like. It is the $5000 that is elusive. [^o)]

BTW, discounts don't add, they average. But, after all it is 5th grade math.

[:P] In my house nothing is average. My home schooled 11 year old was doing quantum mechanics and string theory in 5th grade. (He had already taught himself multiplication at three years of age.) I was keeping the example simple; "conservative," you like to say.

At the end of the day all I care about is "What did I get for my money?" If it is the Zondervan Reference Bundle discounted from $2025 to $1125 effectively, I say it is an overwhelmingly good deal, IF one wants the resource. But 99% off a set of golf clubs is useless to me this month. Maybe you need to check out your local Pro-shop if these deals are not appealing.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316217#Comment_316217

Well, I still believe a 'free-for-all' credit matching with significant percentages is quite unusual.

Then add that they can apply to the 12-Days is VERY unusual.

And then allowing a monthly payout is even more interesting. Not everyone can dump out cash/credit right before Christmas.

One can validly play with the discount/credit semantics. But net for what I need (want?) is how I measure.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316207#Comment_316207

Your maths isn't quite right because you can't add percentages to percentages.

[:S] THANKS a lot Mark! At least toughski was nice enough to let it slide. That shows everyone I am the left-brain parent. My wife teaches the kids math. [Z] [}]

If I did not already have the ZBRB I know the regular selling price is $2025 with little wiggle room from the publisher for discounts. I know I can buy it this month and save $225 real dollars. I know Logos will give me an account credit of $900 for this purchase alone (presuming I buy at least $3000 more in resources; for which I get another $1500 in credit.)

So throwing out all those numbers & rules about averages and percentages I am left with this reality at the end of the day:

ZBRB was $2025 but is now $900. an $1125 real money savings Tell me that is wrong.[*-)]

After all, Logos knows they are going to get my money from me anyway.

Rod Bergen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316217#Comment_316217

It isn't hard to find $5000 worth of Logos resources I would like. It is the $5000 that is elusive.

You can go broke saving money...

[:S]

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316267#Comment_316267

It isn't hard to find $5000 worth of Logos resources I would like. It is the $5000 that is elusive.

You can go broke saving money...

Reminds me of cartoon character Blondie, always out to save money by spending it...

Actually I'm fortunate that I no longer can find $5000 worth of Logos resources I would like. I'd be hard pressed to find $1000 worth. The downside of that is I've already spent several tens of thousands on Logos resources over the years. I already own most of what I'd ever want from them (except a few Fortress Press titles that are still CD-ROM only which I'm waiting for downloadable versions of). Still buying pre-pubs, but that's about it.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316267#Comment_316267

You can go broke saving money...

The Logos Sales Department has been a great help to me in my quest to abandon tactile materialism. Once upon a time I had many hobbies and worldly goods that did nothing to spark any interest and dedication to spiritual matters. Many of those hobbies and possessions have been sold for greater purpose. I know we don't need a bunch of resources to get closer to God. But I find when I read a lot of Bible related things and can persue a matter of curiosity that comes up in a sermon or Bible reading, my mind dwells on higher things than sheer materialism.

I just sold three vehicles this month because of Logos sales events. My insurance agent is the big loser. And it is much easier to park more resources on my hard drive than to find parking places for everyone's cars. [au] [au] [au] [au] [au] If I had a horse, she would be on the auction block too. You don't have to buy oats for a commentary.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316294#Comment_316294

Logos will likely become exhausted producing so many books ... maybe head up to Canada for some summer fly fishing.

The 'sale' numbers are not so daunting as the actual books that become available. I never dreamed that some day I'd be able to read these at all. When I was in Bible college, they were all over at the library, and at the time I assumed that's where they would remain unless I returned to college.

I view Logos invoices like cheap tuition; it must really be exciting these days as a young student.

Chris Rees

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316184#Comment_316184

Although I didn't buy anything from the 12 Days (I had all but 2 products already), this has been the best Logos Christmas for me, and the only one I have really bought into. In previous years we had mega-collections, heavily discounted, but I had too many of those resources already, and the ones I didn't have I wasn't interested in. But this year, the Logos credit thing has effectively introduced discounts across the board. Personally I much prefer smaller discounts on products I want than larger discounts on products I don't really want. Even better, that discount is on top of the academic discount I already get, which isn't the case for all the other Christmas or black Friday deals we've seen before. I started going through the entire catalogue picking out books I would like, and easily added enough to get a decent percentage discount via Logos credit. And I've got enough products still in my wishlist to spend that credit on in January. It's been fantastic.

However, it is not lost on me that unless one can find something discounted you are buying a product(s) at regular price.

Remember that you can just choose products 'On Sale' from the left-hand filter. It's a good place to start.

Mark,

could you clairfy for me.

Are you saying you get the academic discount on top of any sale price Logos is promoting? I called sales today re a possible upgrade and he told me that the 12 days of Christmas offers would not attract any further academic discount.

Chris

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316742#Comment_316742

Are you saying you get the academic discount on top of any sale price Logos is promoting? I called sales today re a possible upgrade and he told me that the 12 days of Christmas offers would not attract any further academic discount.

Sorry for the confusion. I was suggesting that the Christmas credit offer was on top of any academic discount.

Rod Bergen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316229#Comment_316229

Your maths isn't quite right because you can't add percentages to percentages.

So throwing out all those numbers & rules about averages and percentages I am left with this reality at the end of the day:

ZBRB was $2025 but is now $900. an $1125 real money savings Tell me that is wrong.

After all, Logos knows they are going to get my money from me anyway.

Sorry to tell you this but your math is wrong. Just figure out how much cash you will spend.

ZBRB will set you back $1800. That is your cash outlay.

You do get a $900 credit (assuming that you spend another $3,200 in CASH)

In my world, cash is king... like my wife, you can go broke saving money. You may argue that you subtract the $900 from the cash price of $1800 which is the wrong way of looking at the issue.

As I said, to get the 50% savings, you have to part with $5,000 in cash.

If you use your credits to purchase things you otherwise would have purchased, then you add that price to your cash cost to get your real discount. Ignoring any other discounts that amounts to a 1/3 discount.

Jesse Blevins

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316742#Comment_316742

Quick question:

I bought my books using a payment plan - Can I use the credit immediately in January or do I have to wait until after the time that I have paid everything off?

Thanks for the response in advance. [:D]

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316755#Comment_316755

Quick question:

I bought my books using a payment plan - Can I use the credit immediately in January or do I have to wait until after the time that I have paid everything off?

Thanks for the response in advance.

You will need an answer from Logos to be certain about this. This is just the user support forum, and we don't have that answer for you. However if you go to your Account profile page on Logos.com, if you see a box at the upper right saying you have $X in credit, then you can probably use it right away. It will be available for you to apply during the check-out process.

Josh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316755#Comment_316755

Quick question:

I bought my books using a payment plan - Can I use the credit immediately in January or do I have to wait until after the time that I have paid everything off?

Thanks for the response in advance.

This is a good question. Please reply back with the answer customer service gives you.

Shawn Drewett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316754#Comment_316754

Taxee, I sure like the way you think. Like a pastor friend of mine said "When my wife come homes from shopping she tells me all the money she's saved, I show her my open hand and say 'Put it right here.'

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316769#Comment_316769

Quick question: I bought my books using a payment plan - Can I use the credit immediately in January or do I have to wait until after the time that I have paid everything off? Thanks for the response in advance.
You will need an answer from Logos to be certain about this. This is just the user support forum, and we don't have that answer for you. However if you go to your Account profile page on Logos.com, if you see a box at the upper right saying you have $X in credit, then you can probably use it right away. It will be available for you to apply during the check-out process.

Here are a few stipulations I understand from talking with Logos:

The Logos Credit will be available after the tally on January 2nd.
The credit will be available for immediate use. (Let's not test Logos' generosity by failing to make payments on time. You know they can always lock up an account if a customer gets ugly about it. Not that I am aware of them ever doing that.)
You can not use the credit to pay for your December purchases.
You will not be able to apply the credit to any payment plan payments.
For now, you will not be able to draw on your credit to pay for a forth-coming Pre-Pub. That may change in the future.
You will be able to buy anything on the Logos website, be it water bottles, Camp Logos Live DVDs, Logos email offers and March Madness deals.
I do not believe we can use it on Vyrso. I forgot to ask.
If you subsequently return some of the qualifying December purchases your corresponding credit will be removed from your account. If you have exhausted the credit balance you may be have part of your refund held back to reimburse Logos.
The credit has no expiration date.

From what I have heard the Sales Department is eager to help you spend the Logos credits.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316777#Comment_316777

When my wife come homes from shopping she tells me all the money she's saved, I show her my open hand and say 'Put it right here.'

Thanks to the Logos Credit promotion In 2012 my wife won't have to worry about me raiding her household account for Logos sales. I bet we eat better next year. [8] [^] [8]

Ooo. I can't wait for March Madness

btw: "Paying it forward " is not always a bad idea. Joseph did it during the fat cow years in Egypt.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316822#Comment_316822

If you subsequently return some of the qualifying December purchases your corresponding credit will be removed from your account. If you have exhausted the credit balance you may be have part of your refund held back to reimburse Logos.

Wow, they've thought of everything! (That one had occurred to me, but I didn't want to ask about it; didn't want to give anyone any unethical ideas.)

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316754#Comment_316754

Just figure out how much cash you will spend. ZBRB will set you back $1800. That is your cash outlay.

To get the true savings you have to consider both the December cash outlay and the subsequent Logos Credit purchases. You are assuming you will die after paying for the ZBRB and before you spend the credit. I'm not that pessimistic. Also having the credit readily available to take advantage of the biggest sales discounts is a positive. Many people have to pass up a good sale price for lack of funds at that moment. One has to be i the right place to take advantage of the moment. Zacchaeus had to climb that tree.

As I said, to get the 50% savings, you have to part with $5,000 in cash.

. They set the conditions. I am ok with that. I like to maximize my savings. I only wish they gave 75% for $7500 and 100% credit for $10,000. If they gave 200% credit for $20,000 I would manage to get there [:D].

Logos marketing has an amazing ability to get people to plan ahead. They successfully sold the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary with a projected completion date of 2019. They are now offering the generous Logos credit that will definitely be a bonding catalyst with many customers. Jacob was not about to walk out on Laban after investing seven years towards winning the wife of his dreams. Seven additional years to seal the deal was a no-brainer. Logos hopes to expand the base of users who become part of the family rather than strangers in the land.

edit: Thanks for correcting my math, Taxee, but the only thing that really computes in my simple mind is; "What do I get for the money I pay?" That question is best answered by totaling my purchase history and comparing it to the actual selling prices and my actual cash outlay. I am very happy with my cumulative savings.

Rod Bergen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316836#Comment_316836

Thanks for correcting my math, Taxee, but the only thing that really computes in my simple mind is; "What do I get for the money I pay?" That question is best answered by totaling my purchase history and comparing it to the actual selling prices and my actual cash outlay. I am very happy with my cumulative savings.

The main thing is that you are happy with your purchases. Buyer's remorse is not pleasant.

...and ignorance is bliss!

Josh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316822#Comment_316822

Quick question: I bought my books using a payment plan - Can I use the credit immediately in January or do I have to wait until after the time that I have paid everything off? Thanks for the response in advance.
You will need an answer from Logos to be certain about this. This is just the user support forum, and we don't have that answer for you. However if you go to your Account profile page on Logos.com, if you see a box at the upper right saying you have $X in credit, then you can probably use it right away. It will be available for you to apply during the check-out process.
Here are a few stipulations I understand from talking with Logos:
The Logos Credit will be available after the tally on January 2nd.

The credit will be available for immediate use. (Let's not test Logos' generosity by failing to make payments on time. You know they can always lock up an account if a customer gets ugly about it. Not that I am aware of them ever doing that.)

You can not use the credit to pay for your December purchases.

You will not be able to apply the credit to any payment plan payments.

For now, you will not be able to draw on your credit to pay for a forth-coming Pre-Pub. That may change in the future.

You will be able to buy anything on the Logos website, be it water bottles, Camp Logos Live DVDs, Logos email offers and March Madness deals.

I do not believe we can use it on Vyrso. I forgot to ask.

If you subsequently return some of the qualifying December purchases your corresponding credit will be removed from your account. If you have exhausted the credit balance you may be have part of your refund held back to reimburse Logos.

The credit has no expiration date.

From what I have heard the Sales Department is eager to help you spend the Logos credits.

When I use credit to purchase resources will it be taxed?

jorge Alarcon

I would in that case wait until January to purchase the titles you are interested in since they would more likely be heavily discounted.

Terry Cook

Back in the good ole days Logos offerred its customers 50% off on all downloads. This allowed customers the chance to decide their own sale. You say "underwhelming" for the 2011 12 days promotion? Too bad there's not a word to describe -under-underwhelming.

Terry Cook

sDg

Shawn Drewett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317112#Comment_317112

Wow, those WERE th good old days! I racked up two years in a row on only books I wanted! 50% off no matter how much $ you spent!

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/316960#Comment_316960

The main thing is that you are happy with your purchases. Buyer's remorse is not pleasant. ...and ignorance is bliss!

Yes, I am very happy with my purchases; all 203 separate orders, so far. You can tell yourselves all week long I am ignorant and therefore blissful. I would challenge you to run the figures through your mathematically superior minds. [8-|]

Add up all your orders (should be easier than my 203) with the actual cash you tendered unto Logos.
Add the current regular selling prices of the resources you got for those payments. Don't cheat by using MSRPs.
Use the two figures to determine the percentage of savings you have enjoyed. (I caution you here to average percentages not add. [^o)] Only the blissfully ignorant would make that mistake. [*-)])

Whenever you are done to your own satisfaction I bet we will discover my blissful buying binges have succeeded in delivering a higher return on the dollar.

I guarantee you I'm ahead [:P]

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317102#Comment_317102

When I use credit to purchase resources will it be taxed?

It depends. Do you live in one of those repressive government states that wants to tax the air you breathe? So far, Oklahoma does not tax us on downloadable purchases from out of state. I imagine the greater Bellingham area has to collect sales taxes from local residents to keep the state so beautiful.

Philana Crouch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317135#Comment_317135

When I use credit to purchase resources will it be taxed?

It depends. Do you live in one of those repressive government states that wants to tax the air you breathe? So far, Oklahoma does not tax us on downloadable purchases from out of state. I imagine the greater Bellingham area has to collect sales taxes from local residents to keep the state so beautiful.

I live in CA, and never have had to pay sales tax. If you've never paid sales tax before you shouldn't.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317102#Comment_317102

When I use credit to purchase resources will it be taxed?

Hey Joshua! That is a brilliant question. Think this through with me;

When I buy Logos resources with income that has already been subject to taxes the resources are really costing me more than $1 for a dollar's worth of purchasing power. If I create wealth out of thin air (al la federal Reserve) using Logos Credit, my tax-free (or is that Taxee-free [;)] income?) buys more per dollar, No? I'm so blissful I'm giddy! [:P]

Josh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317136#Comment_317136

I live in CA, and never have had to pay sales tax. If you've never paid sales tax before you shouldn't.

I live in Texas and everytime I buy something from Logos it is taxed. However, Logos credit is not money. How could it pay for taxes?

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317146#Comment_317146

I live in Texas and everytime I buy something from Logos it is taxed. However, Logos credit is not money. How could it pay for taxes?

Even digital downloads? I am sorry to hear that. Once upon a time Texas was the "promised land" to me. There were no income taxes or sales taxes.

Well, shouldn't you be used to it by now? [:D] We have real cheap housing north of the Red River.

Josh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317153#Comment_317153

I live in Texas and everytime I buy something from Logos it is taxed. However, Logos credit is not money. How could it pay for taxes?

Even digital downloads? I am sorry to hear that. Once upon a time Texas was the "promised land" to me. There were no income taxes or sales taxes.

Well, shouldn't you be used to it by now? We have real cheap housing north of the Red River.

Yes, even DLs. [:(]

Philana Crouch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317146#Comment_317146

I live in CA, and never have had to pay sales tax. If you've never paid sales tax before you shouldn't.

I live in Texas and everytime I buy something from Logos it is taxed. However, Logos credit is not money. How could it pay for taxes?

I'm not sure...I don't think it's the credit that is getting taxed, it's the item. I would check with Customer Service. That's too bad about Texas.

At this point I don't, but we have some cities suing Amazon over this in CA, so it could change. They claim it's hurting local bookstores ect. But with Logos books it doesn't make sense to claim its harming them. Most local bookstores (unless it's a seminary bookstore) doesn't sell a lot of the things I purchase. So it's not taking away from local business or taxes, I mean most of these books I buy I can't get at Barnes & Noble or my local bookstore. I guess theoretically they could special order, but really I would never go to a local bookstore and buy HALOT or BDAG.

So I hope digital downloads continue to get an exception. Did not realize other states charged taxes on digital downloads.

Josh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317156#Comment_317156

I understand it is the item that gets taxed. However, can those taxes be paid with the credit? Or will I have to use "real money" to pay for the taxes on the items I buy with the Christmas credit?