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Can anyone give a citation for the first recorded instance of infant baptism. This is an historical question not a theological one.

Soli Deo Gloria,

Randy

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    I doubt that the first recorded instance would be reliable but take this for what it is worth http://www.oldpaths.com/archive/bailey/john/carlos/1903/Articles/baptismi.html
    i.e. Google for "infant baptism" recorded

    But you can also search Logos for

    "infant baptism" NEAR recorded

    or

    "infant baptism" NEAR century

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    Most likely Acts 16:15,33; 18:8; 1 Cor 1:16 ...More clearly: (Sorry but I've not converted these to Logos links). EDIT The following is taken from another site - edited down to what is historical. I do see that I accidentally included one clause that is conclusion not quotation or description. I have removed it.

    In the year 215 AD, the Church Father St. Hippolytus of Rome writes:

    "And they shall Baptize the little children first. And if they
    can answer for themselves, let them answer. But if they cannot, let
    their parents answer or someone from their family." (Hippolytus
    of Rome, Apostolic Tradition, 21 c. AD 215).

    Now, St. Hippolytus was the disciple of St. Irenaeus of Lyon; and, in
    AD 180, St. Irenaeus writes:

    "For He came to save all through Himself --all, I say, who
    through Him are born again to God [i.e., Baptized] -- infants, and
    children, and boys, and youths, and old men." (Irenaeus, Against
    the Heresies 2:22:4 -- c. AD 180)

    St. Irenaeus was the disciple of St. Polycarp, who was the disciple
    of the Apostle John himself (as well as an associate of the Apostle
    Philip). And, in AD 155, St. Polycarp said this at his execution:

    "Polycarp declared, 'Eighty and six years have I served Him,
    and He never did me injury. How can I blaspheme my King and
    Savior?" (Polycarp, Martyrdom of Polycarp 9 c. AD 156)

    Now, it is well documented that "The Martyrdom of Polycarp"
    was written the year after the saint's execution; and so the quote above
    is extremely reliable. It is also well documented that Polycarp was 86
    years old at the time of his death. Therefore, if the saint claims to
    have served Jesus for 86 years, it therefore follows that he was
    Baptized as an infant
    . And, in another place, we are told that
    Polycarp was Baptized by none other than the Apostle John!

    Furthermore, here are some more Church Fathers on infant Baptism.

    St. Justin Martyr (150 AD):

    "And both men and women who have been Christ's disciples since
    infancy
    , remain pure, and at the age of sixty or seventy years
    ..." (Justin Martyr, First Apology,15:6 -- AD 110-165)

    Origen (244 AD):

    "Baptism is given for the remission of sins; and according to
    the usage of the Church, Baptism is given even to infants. And,
    indeed, if there were nothing in infants that required the remission
    of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of
    Baptism would be superfluous." (Origen, Homily on Leviticus 8:3
    -- AD 244)

    St. Cyprian (250 AD)

    "But in respect to the case of infants, which you say ought
    not to be Baptized within the second or third day after their birth,
    and that the law of ancient circumcision should be regarded, so that
    you think one who is just born should not be Baptized and sanctified
    within the eighth day ....And therefore, dearest brother, this was our
    opinion in council, that by us no one ought to be hindered from
    Baptism ...we think is to be even more observed in respect of infants
    and newly-born persons." (Cyprian, Epistle 58, To Fides [54] --
    AD 251)

    St. Gregory Nazianzus (381 AD)

    "Be it so, some will say, in the case of those who ask for
    Baptism; what have you to say about those who are still children and
    conscious neither of the loss nor of grace
    ? Are we to Baptize them
    too? Certainly, if any danger presses. For it is better that they
    should be unconsciously sanctified than that they should depart
    unsealed and uninitiated." (Gregory Nazianzus, Oration on Holy
    Baptism, 40:28 -- AD 381)

    St. John Chrysostom (388 AD)

    "We do Baptize infants, although they are not guilty of any
    [personal] sins." (John Chrysostom, Ad Neophytos -- AD 388)

    St. Ambrose (387 AD)

    "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he
    cannot enter the kingdom of God. No one is excepted: not the infant,
    not the one prevented by some necessity." (Ambrose of Milan,
    Abraham 2,11,84 -- AD 387) 

    St. Augustine (415 AD)

    "Likewise, whoever says that those children who depart out of
    this life without partaking of that Sacrament (Baptism) are alive in
    Christ, certainly contradicts the apostolic declaration and condemns
    the universal Church, in which it is the practice to lose no time and
    run in haste to administer Baptism to infant children, because it is
    believed as an indubitable truth, that otherwise they cannot be made
    alive in Christ." (Augustine, Epistle 167 -- AD 415)

    Council of Carthage (418 AD)

    "Canon 2: Likewise it has been decided that whoever says that
    infants fresh from their mother's wombs
    should not be Baptized ...let
    him be anathema." (Council of Carthage, AD 418)

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

    More clearly:

    Clear and thorough!

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    Crystal Clear!  Indeed!            Thank you, and Peace!                 *smile*

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    And, in another place, we are told that
    Polycarp was Baptized by none other than the Apostle John!

    MJ,

    (This is a little off topic from the original post). 

    I've known that Polycarp was a disciple of John, but I had not heard that he had been baptized by him.  Where can I find this information?

    Thanks.

    I've known that Polycarp was a disciple of John, but I had not heard that he had been baptized by him.  Where can I find this information?

    Thanks.

     

    POLYCARP (PERSON). Bishop of Smyrna in Asia Minor, born ca. 70 C.E. and martyred in Smyrna ca. 156 C.E. Our sources for the life of Polycarp include Ignatius’ letter to Polycarp, Irenaeus’ Adversus Haereses, Eusebius’ Historia Ecclesiastica, and most importantly, the anonymous Martyrdom of Polycarp.* Irenaeus, quoted by Eusebius (Hist. Eccl. 5:20:6), states that Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. Some scholars doubt the accuracy of this assertion, especially considering Eusebius’ preoccupation with demonstrating apostolic succession. Neither Ignatius nor Polycarp himself mentions any connection with John. According to a scribal addition to the Martyrdom of Polycarp (22:2), Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp.

    Freedman, D. N. (1996). Vol. 5: The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (389). New York: Doubleday.

    *Please note that the aforementioned "Martyrdom of Polycarp" is an anonymous work.

     

    Paul, when did the first woman receive communion? Acts 2:42 maybe but still not explicit.

    (this post is for humors sake only) :)

    Neither Ignatius nor Polycarp himself mentions any connection with John.

    Considering the brief amount of the writings of these earliest Church Fathers an argument from silence holds no water. 

     


    "In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

    Well done, MJ!!  You start with Scripture and then move to Church history.  You have stated the infant baptism position well indeed.

    Both sides of the debate over infant baptism can make a reasonable case from Scripture and history.  If not,  the issue would have been laid to rest long ago.  I grew up Baptist, and joined the United Methodist Church when in High School.  I know that both sides of the issue do not listen to the other.  Unitl I was grown, I had never heard the information that MJ states so clearly.

    What is needed is respect for views that may not be our own.  If the issue is something that strikes at the heart of the faith, then I would never compromise.  But as Wesley said (in this quote which I found in my Logos edition of Wesley's Works),  "But as to all opinions which do not strike at the root of Christianity, we think and let think."

    I remember once serving on a Board of MInistry Committee that examined candidates for ordination and ministry.  We were examining a young pastor who was wanting to transfer from the Baptist Church to the Methodist Church.  So I asked the young Baptist preacher, "Brother, do you believe in infant baptism".  He said, "Would you repeat the question?"  I said, "Brother, do you believe in infant baptism?"  He thought a moment and answered, "Well, do I believe in infant baptism?  Fellow, I don't just believe in it, I have seen it." 

    Me, too.


    "In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

    Well done, MJ!!  You start with Scripture and then move to Church history.  You have stated the infant baptism position well indeed.
    Maybe someone shoulda clued you in...M.J. is fervently denying that she is attempting to support infant baptism theology. Yes, She started with scripture...Scripture that never mentions infants. She then follows up with a dozen quotes from early church fathers that never address the OP's question...just promote the doctrine. ... Well done, Indeed [:P]

    I come from (and remain in) a theological tradition that does not support or practice infant baptism.  That said,  I am surprised by the strong words from some posters here toward MJ.  Yes, there are some theological assumptions in her post, for instance, seeing "whole household" as possible/probably including infants and toddlers.  But I can filter through that.  It certainly does not come across as contentious.  2 Timothy and Ephesians 4 shed some light on how we are to treat those who disagree with us.

    As for quoting church tradition which includes some theological hermeneutic--what is the problem with that?  It is quite relevant to the OP's question.  IF that theology existed at that time, then it follows that infant baptisms were done at that time,  That is far different than carrying on a contentious conversation over whether one believes in it or not.  Is that not correct?

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

    Here's a good possibility - The rest of the article can be found here ~~> http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1540-a-history-of-the-baptism-apostasy

    Best of all, Meyer's Commentary (soon to be released) is quoted in this article [see the part in bold italics].


    Infant Baptism

    Since both faith and repentance are conditions leading to New Testament baptism, naturally infants are excluded (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38). Infants have not the mental capacity to believe in Christ, and they cannot repent for they “have no knowledge of good or evil.” (Deuteronomy 1:39) Hence, the practice of “infant baptism” is unknown to Holy Scripture.

    The first possible allusion to infant baptism is by Irenaeus (ca. A.D. 140-203), a 2nd century theologian in Gaul. “He [Christ] came to save, through means of himself, all who through him are born again unto God, infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men” (Against Heresies, 2.22.4; ANF, 1.391). But a contemporary, Tertullian (ca. 150- 222 A.D.), a scholar in the Roman province of Africa, opposed the practice:

    “Let them come while they are growing up; let them come while they are learning, while they are being taught to what it is they are coming; let them become Christians when they are susceptible of the knowledge of Christ. What haste to procure the forgiveness of sins for the age of innocence! … Let them first learn to feel their need of salvation; so it may appear that we have given to those that wanted” (On Baptism, xviii; ANF, 3.678).

    Augustus Neander, a Lutheran historian, made this important comment: “Tertullian appears as a zealous opponent of infant baptism; a proof that the practice had not as yet come to be regarded as an apostolical institution; for otherwise Tertullian hardly would have ventured to express himself so strongly against it” (1850, 1.432). Neander also acknowledged that: “Baptism at first was administered only to adults,” because baptism and faith were “strictly connected” (1.430).

    Although Tertullian opposed infant baptism, he did “fertilize the soil” for its ready acceptance by others. He taught that the human spirit, like the body, is transmitted from parent to child (Strong, 1976, 493). Thus, man inherits both a blemished soul and body. Cyprian, in the 3rd century, reasoned:

    “But again, if even the chief of sinners, who have been exceedingly guilty before God, receive the forgiveness of sins on coming to the faith, and no one is precluded from baptism and from grace, how less should the child be kept back, which, as it is but just born, can not have sinned, but has only brought with it, by its descent from Adam, the infection of the old death; and which may the more easily obtain the remission of sins, because the sins which are forgiven it are not its own, but those of another” (Epistle,lviii.5; ANF, 5.354).

    Origen (ca. A.D.185-254), another post-apostolic writer, erroneously declares:

    “Little children are baptized for the remission of sins. Whose sins are they? When did they sin? Or how can this explanation of the baptismal washing be maintained in the case of small children, except according to the interpretation we spoke of a little earlier? No man is clean of stain, not even if his life upon the earth had lasted but a single day” (Homilies in Luke, xiv.5; Lienhard, 1996, 58).

    The practice of infant baptism did not become common until the 5th century, after the writings of the North African theologian Augustine had popularized the theory of “original sin.” Even Philip Schaff, a member of the Reformed Church, and a strong pedo-baptist advocate, was forced to admit that “adult baptism was the rule, infant baptism the exception” until the church was fairly established in the Roman Empire. He points out that Augustine, Gregory Nazianzen, and Chrysostom had “Christian” mothers, yet these men were not baptized until early manhood (1884, I.210).

    H.A.W. Meyer (1800-1873) was one of the most prominent commentators produced by the German Lutheran Church. He thus had no intrinsic bias against infant baptism, yet in his commentary on Acts [16:15], he wrote: “The baptism of the children of Christians, of which no trace is found in the N.T., is not to be held as an apostolic ordinance, as, indeed, it encountered early and long resistance; but it is an institution of the church, which gradually arose in post-apostolic times…” (1883, 312).

    The practice of “baptizing” infants is a human tradition, utterly void of biblical sanction. It instills a false sense of confidence in youngsters as they grow up, and is a hindrance to genuine obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    I hope this helps!

    DAL

    Here's a good possibility - The rest of the article can be found here ~~> http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1540-a-history-of-the-baptism-apostasy

    Best of all, Meyer's Commentary (soon to be released) is quoted in this article [see the part in bold italics].

     

    Infant Baptism

    Since both faith and repentance are conditions leading to New Testament baptism, naturally infants are excluded (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38). Infants have not the mental capacity to believe in Christ, and they cannot repent for they “have no knowledge of good or evil.” (Deuteronomy 1:39) Hence, the practice of “infant baptism” is unknown to Holy Scripture.

     

     

    Hmm, that first paragraph is theological and not historical.  Theologically, Christ was baptized and did not need to repent of sin.

     

    Christ was baptized and did not need to repent of sin.
    Oh, But He did. Not His sin...but Ours.


     (Jn 1:29) “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 

     

     

    Try a search on your entire library: "Infant Baptism" OR Paedo-baptism

    An article that traces the history is available at http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar40.htm  which I think is a Lutheran site but I'm not certain.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

    Please, Brothers and Sisters of the Logos Forums.  On the first day the New Year perhaps we could make a real effort to follow Phil Gons' guidelines:

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    Thank you and a Blessed and Happy and Healthy New Year to each of you.  Peace to you because of Emmanuel - God IS  with us!         *smile*

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    No debating on my part.  Happy New Year! [:)]

     

     Odd:

    One forum member is Heartily applauded for her comments.Another is reminded of forum guidelines for the same effort.

    Crystal Clear!  Indeed!            Thank you, and Peace!                 *smile*

    Please, Brothers and Sisters of the Logos Forums.  On the first day the New Year perhaps we could make a real effort to follow Phil Gons' guidelines:

    1. Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics. Use one of the many web forums intended for these kinds of discussions.
    2. Please treat each other with the love, courtesy, respect, and kindness that you would if you were sitting in your living room together.

    Thank you and a Blessed and Happy and Healthy New Year to each of you.  Peace to you because of Emmanuel - God IS  with us!         *smile*

    One has to wonder what caused the change of heart.

     

    One forum member is Heartily applauded for her comments.Another is reminded of forum guidelines for the same effort.

    Please reread the two posts. I tried to provide nothing but quotations from the Early Church Fathers with only comments as to why they were relevant - I tried both to stay with history as the original poster requested and also stay within the guidelines. The other response to which you refer offered a commentary that evaluated the quotations rather than simply presenting them - in this particular case that is not what the original poster requested. Others, including myself, gave the OP search terms to help him find (and evaluate) the available data.

    Had I offered the argument from scripture or speculated on why or why not the ECFs wrote as they did, you would be right to call me out for my answer. Yes, I should have provided links to Logos but I was tired and lazy. If you believe I misrepresented the data, feel free to add additional context from primary sources.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

    The OP asked for a citation for the first recorded infant baptism...and asked that it not be a theological debate. He did not ask for a thesis on how the disciple of a disciple of a disciple could be construed to have been baptized at birth. None of the citations qualify as an answer to his question. You had to string together a dozen citations and apply commentary based on your theology to reach what you consider to be a conclusion.

    Therefore, if the saint claims to have served Jesus for 86 years, it therefore follows that he was Baptized as an infant.

    (Lk 1:15) “For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother’s womb." 

    By your reasoning:

    Since John was set aside For the service of the LORD and filled with the Holy Spirit in his mothers womb, Was he baptized before birth?

    . Furthermore i see no value in quoting roman curses.

    "Canon 2: Likewise it has been decided that whoever says that infants fresh from their mother's wombs should not be Baptized ...let him be anathema." (Council of Carthage, AD 418)
    If anyone believes in their curses...then I, for one, would be considered anathema.

             (Ac 8:36–37) As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 

        And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

    By your reasoning:

    The post was taken from another source and reflects none of my own reasoning. I did my best to edit out theological statements and carefully insured that there was no statement of evaluation included.  I don't see what more I could have done and still provided the original poster with the information he needs to determine what he deems the first recorded mention.

    None of the citations qualify as an answer to his question.

    That is for the original poster to determine. I'm bowing out of this thread unless the OP has followup questions.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

    I did my best to edit out theological statements and carefully insured that there was no statement of evaluation included.
    Hogwash ! The first 2 and the last 8 quotes are nothing but roman theology/dogma.They do not in any way address  the question of when the first infant baptism occurred. The last quote is a blatant curse on anyone who dares to disagree... And you still maintain you edited?   Hogwash !
    Furthermore, here are some more Church Fathers on infant Baptism 
    "And they shall Baptize the little children first. And if they can answer for themselves, let them answer. But if they cannot, let their parents answer or someone from their family." (Hippolytus of Rome, Apostolic Tradition, 21 c. AD 215).
    "For He came to save all through Himself --all, I say, who through Him are born again to God [i.e., Baptized] -- infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men." (Irenaeus, Against the Heresies 2:22:4 -- c. AD 180)
     

    St. Justin Martyr (150 AD):

    "And both men and women who have been Christ's disciples since infancy, remain pure, and at the age of sixty or seventy years ..." (Justin Martyr, First Apology,15:6 -- AD 110-165)

    Origen (244 AD):

    "Baptism is given for the remission of sins; and according to the usage of the Church, Baptism is given even to infants. And, indeed, if there were nothing in infants that required the remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of Baptism would be superfluous." (Origen, Homily on Leviticus 8:3 -- AD 244)

    St. Cyprian (250 AD)

    "But in respect to the case of infants, which you say ought not to be Baptized within the second or third day after their birth, and that the law of ancient circumcision should be regarded, so that you think one who is just born should not be Baptized and sanctified within the eighth day ....And therefore, dearest brother, this was our opinion in council, that by us no one ought to be hindered from Baptism ...we think is to be even more observed in respect of infants and newly-born persons." (Cyprian, Epistle 58, To Fides [54] -- AD 251)

    St. Gregory Nazianzus (381 AD)

    "Be it so, some will say, in the case of those who ask for Baptism; what have you to say about those who are still children and conscious neither of the loss nor of grace? Are we to Baptize them too? Certainly, if any danger presses. For it is better that they should be unconsciously sanctified than that they should depart unsealed and uninitiated." (Gregory Nazianzus, Oration on Holy Baptism, 40:28 -- AD 381)

    St. John Chrysostom (388 AD)

    "We do Baptize infants, although they are not guilty of any [personal] sins." (John Chrysostom, Ad Neophytos -- AD 388)

    St. Ambrose (387 AD)

    "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. No one is excepted: not the infant, not the one prevented by some necessity." (Ambrose of Milan, Abraham 2,11,84 -- AD 387) 

    St. Augustine (415 AD)

    "Likewise, whoever says that those children who depart out of this life without partaking of that Sacrament (Baptism) are alive in Christ, certainly contradicts the apostolic declaration and condemns the universal Church, in which it is the practice to lose no time and run in haste to administer Baptism to infant children, because it is believed as an indubitable truth, that otherwise they cannot be made alive in Christ." (Augustine, Epistle 167 -- AD 415)

    Council of Carthage (418 AD)

    "Canon 2: Likewise it has been decided that whoever says that infants fresh from their mother's wombs should not be Baptized ...let him be anathema." (Council of Carthage, AD 418)

     

    The last 8 quotes ... do not in any way address  the question of when the first infant baptism occurred.

    Paul,

    Let me remark that I find the tone of your posting very inappropriate and in direct violation of the forum posting rules. I encourage you to edit your post accordingly and purposely cited only a relevant portion of it.

    We all know that if there was an infant baptized at household-baptisms in the NT, it has not been recorded as such. Thus the only way to address the question, "when was the first infant bapized" is by inference from the writings of the Early Church Fathers (and from the didache and excavated baptism-places in catacombs). Logos helps us to research these in context - which may help as to the question how reliable the texts and their dating are, whether there was a controversy about introduction or general validity of infant baptism etc. These are historical questions that can be addressesd by using Logos. That notwithstanding, the same documents lead some to argue "apostolic heritage" and others "really proven in 4. Century AD" - thus dealing with the ECF-citations is absolutely to the point.

    Have joy in the Lord! Smile

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    Thanks Milford for reminding us to the forum rules. 

    Especially the topic of baptism is (on both sides of the debate) very dear to the heart, which makes No. 2 difficult - that's one of the reasons No. 1 is neccessary. The original poster especially asked about historical, not theological aspects. I think there have been some good links, search hints etc. provided. Maybe they suffice, otherwise links to additional material in Logos or how to unearth this information from the wealth of resources we have available are called for, not a discussion of pedo- versus credobaptistic apologia. 

    Mick

       

    Have joy in the Lord! Smile

    Since both faith and repentance are conditions leading to New Testament baptism, naturally infants are excluded (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38). Infants have not the mental capacity to believe in Christ, and they cannot repent for they “have no knowledge of good or evil.” (Deuteronomy 1:39) Hence, the practice of “infant baptism” is unknown to Holy Scripture

    .

    Hi, Dal this is biblical and true.

    Blessings in Christ.

    Since both faith and repentance are conditions leading to New Testament baptism, naturally infants are excluded (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38). Infants have not the mental capacity to believe in Christ, and they cannot repent for they “have no knowledge of good or evil.” (Deuteronomy 1:39) Hence, the practice of “infant baptism” is unknown to Holy Scripture

    .

    Hi, Dal this is biblical and true.

    Amen, Tes! Now as far as Jesus not repenting of any sin before His baptism it's due to the fact that He was perfect and he just did it to fulfill all righteousness (Matthew 3:14-15).

    DAL