Highlighting for iPad

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Bob Pritchett, When will highlighting be available for the iPad? I believe you said last June (2011) that it was coming "very soon." Please don't tell me 2000 years!  Could you please clarify this? Thank you.

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    Anthony,

    Should be in another week or two.

    When Logos 4.5 goes gold (already in release candidate), then shortly afterward they will release the Logos 2.0 iOS app (which has already been submitted to the App Store).

    This information comes straight from Bob Pritchett. Let me see if I can track down what he actually said...

    Found it!

    http://community.logos.com/forums/p/5923/321264.aspx#321264

    I'm very sorry for the frustration about sync. I've experienced a bug in it myself, and it's very annoying.

    We haven't changed the copy on the app page because it's still accurate: the app does sync reading plans.

    There is, however (as in so many software packages), a bug. This bug
    apparently shows up when you have a synced plan you're reading on two
    devices, and change the document (usually by marking a reading read) on
    Device B before Device A has finished syncing the change. Normally we
    should be able to gracefully handle this conflict, but there's a bug we
    haven't found. Even more importantly, you shouldn't come across the
    situation very often, because syncing should be nearly instantaneous.

    The original sync framework was designed for desktop software, which
    typically has different behaviors than mobile software. Your desktop
    software can typically sync large documents with few problems, and
    typically is either connected or disconnected -- it rarely is moving in
    and out of sporadic and/or slow coverage the way a phone does.

    Moreover, we only have so many desktop Logos Bible Software users.

    To accommodate mobile syncing, we had to build an intermediate
    service with different performance / bandwidth / etc. characteristics. 

    Since then we've had literally 10 times as many people download our
    mobile app as ever used the desktop, dramatically increasing our
    bandwidth.

    This extra large user base, bandwidth requirement, less consistent
    "sync before quitting the app" behavior, etc. are what cause the
    increased frequency of Device A (your mobile device) not having
    completed syncing before you go to Device B (your desktop or other
    device) and modify the document there. So our previously rare bug is
    occurring a lot more.

    We've learned a lot about the less reliable/consistent behavior of
    mobile Internet connections (which were not part of our original
    design).

    (This is also why we've been unable to deliver mobile notes and
    highlighting so far -- the document architecture and bandwidth needs.)

    So we embarked on a complete re-write of the sync framework designed
    for millions of users and a wide variety of devices with much less
    reliable / consistent data connections. The new sync framework requires a
    lot less bandwidth for common behaviors, too.

     

    The new sync framework is basically done, and ready to deploy for
    v4.5 of the desktop and v2.0 of mobile apps. The v2.0 version of the iOS
    app is in the app store and ready for release when the desktop is
    ready.  This features Sync v2 for what had been the number one user
    demand -- notes and highlighting on iOS devices.

    We're right now (and I mean right now -- it's late on Thursday night
    and much of our team is here working away at the office) hunting down
    and eliminating performance bugs in the Sync v2 framework. It's a big,
    big change and it involves user data, so we want to be very careful to
    get everything right.

    Sometime very soon we'll ship a desktop v4.5 Release Candidate.
    Within a week of that release we'll make it final, and it'll roll out to
    everyone. Within a day or so of that we should be able to release the
    new iOS app with notes and highlighting syncing

     

    In parallel, developers are working to get Reading Plans to Sync v2
    as well. This may still be a few weeks out; I very much wish it wasn't,
    and we're all acutely aware that many people start reading plans on
    January 1, and we're disappointed that we were unable to deliver this
    before then. And, until recently, we thought we'd be able to, or that
    the release was right around the corner. But there are 50+ people on the
    development team, and the holidays introduced 50+ differing vacation
    schedules, and quite a few people have a piece of such a large system
    migration, so communication has suffered. 

    But we're almost all back (by Monday everyone is, I believe) and
    we're putting everything together and shipping it as soon as we can.

    Just as trivia... we're also deploying a massive amount of new
    storage, servers, and firewalls to handle the increased load. This is
    itself a non-trivial project.

    And, of course, we still have other products and features (Logos Mac,
    for example) on which other users rightly desire our attention. I'm
    sorry reading plans aren't  first on the list -- they're important to
    me, too! -- but I know that lack of notes and highlighting on mobile was
    equally important to other "I'm going to write you a bad review in the
    app store!" users -- right after lack of NIV support. :-) But at least
    we were able to add that recently. 

    I know this doesn't fix the pain point, but I hope it helps you
    understand where we're at, and why we're doing things the way we are.
    Sync v2 should result in a superior experience very soon.

    In the meantime, you might make a reading plan and try to either just
    use it on mobile, or give the mobile app some time to sync while
    connected to the Internet before going back to the home page (or at
    least before you mark off a reading on another device). This should
    reduce your chance of hitting the bug.

    -- Bob

    Yes it's very frustrating to see other free bible apps with all these cool features, and the one program I payed a bunch of money for can't come up with an app good enough to highlight, bookmark, make notes, adjust reading plans etc...

    Yes it's very frustrating to see other free bible apps with all these cool features, and the one program I payed a bunch of money for can't come up with an app good enough to highlight, bookmark, make notes, adjust reading plans etc...

    Before all the Logos apologists (of which I am one sometimes) tell you that the app is free, let me say that it's not free just because I don't pay money to Logos. The cost is built into the books and such that we bought when we bought Logos 4 base packages.

    The good news - highlighting and notes on the iPad seems to be immanent not "coming soon" in the biblical sense that most people misunderstand it but in the truly biblical sense in that it will come at an instant and in the modern sense as in it won't be long now.

    Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
    Brushy Mountain Baptist Association

    www.kevinpurcell.org

    Before all the Logos apologists (of which I am one sometimes) tell you that the app is free, let me say that it's not free just because I don't pay money to Logos. The cost is built into the books and such that we bought when we bought Logos 4 base packages.

    I am eager for the improved app, rather than frustrated, but I do think you are quite correct on this point, Kevin.

    As soon as Logos began to advertise that certain resources were available on multiple devices, customers began, potentially, to make decisions regarding there purchasing options on the basis of that advertisement. In this sense, the app is not free, but part of the advertised functionality of L4.

    However, I am pleased with the (in my view) improvement to notes in 4.5 and am excited by the now impending deployment of the app.

    On release, I may even buy a new book to celebrate [;)].

    Andy

    So, Olive Tree, the less expensive alternative, just came out with a desktop program today.  I have done my studies on Olive Tree on my iphone where I highlighted like crazy.  So, the desktop version came out and I synced it on my desktop, iphone and ipad and can you believe it?  ALL MY HIGHLIGHTING IS ON EACH PLATFORM!

    Here, I was thinking it could not be done after months and months of hearing it would happen soon and little old Olive Tree that costs a TON less the Logos was able to have my highlights and notes all sync so nicely.

     

    hmmmmmmm

     

    OliveTree is a mobile specialist. They have the best mobile solution (at least until Logos 2 comes out, perhaps!), and a VERY basic desktop edition that frankly has less features that Logos for iPhone. 9 out of 10 for the mobile app, 2 out of 10 for the desktop app.

    Logos is a desktop specialist. They have the best desktop solution, and a pretty strong mobile edition that lacks one or two critical features but is otherwise superb. 9 out of 10 for the desktop app, 7 out of 10 for the mobile app.

    As a package (mobile+desktop) OliveTree doesn't get anywhere near Logos.

    This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!

    of course we all have our own opinions based on how we use the products.  I would agree that as a desktop application Logos is very strong.  I would disagree, however, about the mobile app rating.  At best it is 2 or 3 in my opinion.  That will improve if the long promised notes and highlighting comes.  However, until it has significant functionality offline, it will still be quite low as a mobile app in my opinion.  Depending on a wifi signal for functionality is very hit and miss.  It does have promise, but I think they were slow tor recognize that the future is mobile.  I hope they catch up because I have a big investment in the library. 

    This question has been answered several times recently. The iPad app has been updated for highlighting, but has not yet been made available. That's because the new app requires Logos 4.5 to sync with, and 4.5 isn't ready yet. However, 4.5 is in release candidate stage, which means it is very, very close to being made available. Yesterday the lead developer said it would be within two weeks.

    This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!