Some disappointments with Logos 4

I ordered Logos 4 the day it came out. I have to say that I am a bit disappointed. It bothers me that I have to reload my 'collections' every time I go to a new passage. I hope the folks at Logos fix this. I am hoping many improvements will be made in the next few weeks and months. I wish they would simply have improved the speed of Logos 3. I'm hoping that in time I will learn more about using this upgrade.

Also, I wish that when I upgraded to the 'Platinum' that the books that were added were added to my Logos 3. Unless significant improvements are made on 4.0, I think a lot of folks are going to regret making the switch. I have been using Logos for at last 9 years now, and have always been pleased with the program and the service. I just really hope the creative and technical minds at Logos will work hard to improve 4.0

Steve S

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Rich DeRuiter

I ordered Logos 4 the day it came out. I have to say that I am a bit disappointed. It bothers me that I have to reload my 'collections' every time I go to a new passage.

You are obviously using collections in a way I don't use them. Would you describe what your process is here? What are you doing when you open a passage, and how are you opening it?

Also, I wish that when I upgraded to the 'Platinum' that the books that were added were added to my Logos 3.

This is coming. Be patient.

Mark Smith

It bothers me that I have to reload my 'collections' every time I go to a new passage.

Please elaborate. If you mean resource (book) collections that certainly should not be happening.

Also, I wish that when I upgraded to the 'Platinum' that the books that were added were added to my Logos 3.

This will be happening. Logos is developing a method to get our 4.0 only resources into 3.0 (as long as those resources don't require 4.0 capabilities).

Unless significant improvements are made on 4.0, I think a lot of folks are going to regret making the switch.

You are not the only one to feel this way. As I've used it and gotten to know it I feel less this way than at first. I hope you will, too.

Steven L. Spencer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33712#Comment_33712

I'll have various collections on a given passage. For example, collections entitled--Bible Dictionaries, Greek Word Studies, Theology, etc. But when I go to study a different passage--the 'collections' tab doesn't come pre-loaded with what I had before. I have to 'reload' EVERY collection from a drop-down list. This is time consuming and really irritates me. The reason it's important to have my collections preserved whenever I go to a new passage is because I will often use the study guide for one-verse-at-a-time. This allows me to focus on one verse at a time as I gather my information. Thus, having to 'reload' my collections every time I change my passage-guide to another verse is a real nuisance that slows me down in my study.

Mike Aubrey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33724#Comment_33724

I have to 'reload' EVERY collection from a drop-down list.

Hadn't noticed that. Hmm, definitely needs to be changed. My guess is that it's just an oversight on their part. I remember appreciating this in L3. On the assumption that Logos is going to read this thread soon:

Please make it possible for collections to be "remembered." I second this request.

This allows me to focus on one verse at a time as I gather my information.

Less relevant to the issue at hand...but are you sure this is the best thing to do? Verses are such an arbitrary way of dividing the text...paragraphs (or at least sentences) seem to me an safer approach to the text...IMO. Though I suppose that if you have a lot of books, it might be information overload with anything more than a verse at a time...

Steven L. Spencer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33727#Comment_33727

Yes, I have a library that included 1,770 resources. Thus in order to avoid "information-overload" I have to take it one verse at a time.

Steven L. Spencer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33727#Comment_33727

My library includes 1,770 resources. Thus, to avoid information-overload, I have to take it one verse at a time. If I take an entire pericope, it would just be too much.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33724#Comment_33724

I'll have various collections on a given passage. For example, collections entitled--Bible Dictionaries, Greek Word Studies, Theology, etc. But when I go to study a different passage--the 'collections' tab doesn't come pre-loaded with what I had before.

I believe I understand you, now. The collections you set in a passage guide need to be re-set every time you use the passage guide.

Unless you create a custom guide for each basic type of passage guide you want to run (or collections of resources you want to include). Then save each by naming it something different. They will show up in your Guides menu and in your right click menu when you right click in a Bible on a word (be sure to select the 'reference' tab in the right click menu to see it).

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33712#Comment_33712

I ordered Logos 4 the day it came out. I have to say that I am a bit disappointed. It bothers me that I have to reload my 'collections' every time I go to a new passage.

You are obviously using collections in a way I don't use them. Would you describe what your process is here? What are you doing when you open a passage, and how are you opening it?

I "had" a similar problem. The solution I discovered was to be sure to create a "NEW" collection rather than just changing a name. What I did was create a collection of items that could conveniently be used for illustrations, quotations, etc. I then wanted to create a collection of "theology" items in my library. The first time I did this, I merely changed the name from "Illustrations" to "Theology" - I lost my collections of illustration resources. When I went back and created a "NEW" collection, I found that my remaining collections remained intact.

Tonight, I have created three collections - "Theology", "Illustrations", and "Greek Resources". At this point, all three show up as collections when I choose Tools>Collections. I just need to be careful to choose "New" when I create a new collection. I can also search the collections - they are included in the searchable lists when I select the search tool.

My next fear, and something I will check before I create any more collections, is that when I next receive an update to L4, I might lose my personal collections. I suspect that I will find that out tomorrow or the next day.

Does this explain any of the behavior that you have been seeing?

Blessings,

Floyd

Steven L. Spencer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33747#Comment_33747

I'm sorry, Mark. But your instructions are not very clear to me. I do appreciate the help. I'm still learning Logos 4 and in terms of customizing it to get it to work according to MY preferences is still a great challenge. I'll read your post again and see if I can experiment and figure it out. Thanks.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33781#Comment_33781

I'm sorry, Mark. But your instructions are not very clear to me. I do appreciate the help. I'm still learning Logos 4 and in terms of customizing it to get it to work according to MY preferences is still a great challenge. I'll read your post again and see if I can experiment and figure it out. Thanks.

Steve,

One of the differences between L3 and L4 is the ability to save different guides. So for, instance, you can have a Worship Guide, a passage Guide, an exegetical Guide. The default guide in Logos has no collections pre-installed. That is why you have to reload them. What you are needing to do is create a new guide. I'll try to walk you through it below.

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Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33798#Comment_33798

Philiip,

That was an excellent walkthrough (glad they didn't ban you for stalking Bob's mother)

1 suggestion: don't use the shadow font, it's hard to read.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33800#Comment_33800

Philiip,

That was an excellent walkthrough (glad they didn't ban you for stalking Bob's mother)

1 suggestion: don't use the shadow font, it's hard to read.

Good suggestion. I was noticing it looked a little heavy. I think I accidentally changed it a while back and didn't feel like figuring out how to change it back.

Randall Hartman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33809#Comment_33809

Philip,

That was outstanding. That's the kind of approach that's going to really benefit us non-techies! Thanks so much.

Randy

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33800#Comment_33800

(glad they didn't ban you for stalking Bob's mother

Did I mention I moonlight as a hacker when I'm not preaching? They can't get rid of me...<evil laugh>heehhhaaahhuuuuuu</evil laugh>

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33839#Comment_33839

Nicely done Philip...

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33839#Comment_33839

Did I mention I moonlight as a hacker when I'm not preaching
They can't get rid of me...<evil laugh>heehhhaaahhuuuuuu</evil laugh>

Gerda Pesswir in disquise?[:)]

Blessings,

Floyd

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33967#Comment_33967

Gerda Pesswir in disquise?

I taught him everything I know. And after that 5 minute lesson he went to a real school.

Steven L. Spencer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33798#Comment_33798

Thank you so much, Philip. That did the trick. And now another question: I have a collection called "Greek Word Studies." I have numerous Lexicons in it. My question is this: I would like for BGAD to head the list (followed by 8 or 9 others). Right now that isn't happening. BGAD doesn't come up until I click twice on more resources. Is there a way I can have my resources in this collection appear in my preferred order? Thanks for your help. Glad there are people like you out there who know what they are doing. Blessings--Steve

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34046#Comment_34046

Steven,

I'm not sure - but I suspect prioritization (done int he library pane) will effect this. I haven't tested it though, so YMMV.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34051#Comment_34051

Steven,

I'm not sure - but I suspect prioritization (done int he library pane) will effect this. I haven't tested it though, so YMMV.

Thomas that is what I did. It works, and to make sure I dragged it to the top of the Greek Lexicons.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34058#Comment_34058

Excellent. In some ways it just shows that L4 did what it should do by respecting prioritization across tools.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34046#Comment_34046

Thank you so much, Philip. That did the trick. And now another question: I have a collection called "Greek Word Studies." I have numerous Lexicons in it. My question is this: I would like for BGAD to head the list (followed by 8 or 9 others). Right now that isn't happening. BGAD doesn't come up until I click twice on more resources. Is there a way I can have my resources in this collection appear in my preferred order? Thanks for your help. Glad there are people like you out there who know what they are doing. Blessings--Steve

your very welcome. below are instructions on how to do what the others hinted at, prioritize a resource.

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SteveF

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34046#Comment_34046

[EDIT _ Ah, Philip, you beat me to it --WELL DONE]

Stephen (I just had to try to help another "Steve!)

Do you need any assistance in "prioritizing"? (yes, another new L4 word -- this used to be part of key-linking process in L3)

I don't want to waste your time if you already know how - but I believe that it will do waht you are looking for.

All the best

Steve

ps. keep coming back here to ask questions. Theses men and women are a wonderful "Help" guide!

pps Philip, that was a wonderful tutorial!!!

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34100#Comment_34100

Excellent walk-through Philip.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34124#Comment_34124

I say we give Philip a new power packed computer or that illustration. [co]

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33752#Comment_33752

My next fear, and something I will check before I create any more collections, is that when I next receive an update to L4, I might lose my personal collections. I suspect that I will find that out tomorrow or the next day.

Floyd

Hi Floyd, I also had that fear. Yesterday, I spent a few hours on a collection; today I downloaded an update and it was a program update which brought me up to 4.03.2700 and my collection and mytags are A-OK. FYI

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/33724#Comment_33724

I'll have various collections on a given passage. For example, collections entitled--Bible Dictionaries, Greek Word Studies, Theology, etc. But when I go to study a different passage--the 'collections' tab doesn't come pre-loaded with what I had before. I have to 'reload' EVERY collection from a drop-down list. This is time consuming and really irritates me. The reason it's important to have my collections preserved whenever I go to a new passage is because I will often use the study guide for one-verse-at-a-time. This allows me to focus on one verse at a time as I gather my information. Thus, having to 'reload' my collections every time I change my passage-guide to another verse is a real nuisance that slows me down in my study.

Steven

Phillip gave you far better instructions than I had done, so I edited this post to remove evidence of my inferiority. I have one question though. Phillip, why did you delete Handouts from your example? Thomas will be peeved. [:D]

Jack

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34306#Comment_34306

Phillip, why did you delete Handouts from your example? Thomas will be peeved

You picked up on that, did ya :-)

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34316#Comment_34316

You picked up on that, did ya :-)

I hang upon your every word/picture [8-|]

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34326#Comment_34326

Was that

hang upon

hang up on

??? [;)]

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34460#Comment_34460

Was that
hang upon
or
hang up on
???

Good question. If you note the number of posts Phillip has made, you know that it would take several people working in tandem just to read his posts. Kidding aside: Phillip offers a ton (or more) of valuable advice in those 633 (and counting) posts. I honestly appreciate all those who did the beta testing.

Jack

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34514#Comment_34514

Hi Jack,

Phillip offers a ton (or more) of valuable advice

I much appreciate Tom's, Damian's, Dave's, & Philip's contributions as well... can't figure out how they manage to write so often & so on-target.

Thanks, much, guys!

Bill

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34514#Comment_34514

Phillip offers a ton (or more) of valuable advice in those 633 (and counting) posts. I honestly appreciate all those who did the beta testing.

Thanks for the compliment (someone tell Thomas :-)). I'm just lovin L4.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34667#Comment_34667

Philip, fishing for compliments again are we?

Heh, you really are giving lots of good help my friend.

Ok, back to war.

Steven L. Spencer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34051#Comment_34051

I have faith in the folks at Logos. I went ahead and took the plunge and purchased the "portfolio". Big bucks, yes. But there is nothing I love more than studying the word of God and having so many resources to draw from. To all the folks at Logos--I'm counting on you to make Logos 4 the incontestably greatest Bible soft-ware program in the world!

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/34720#Comment_34720

I have faith in the folks at Logos. I went ahead and took the plunge and purchased the "portfolio". Big bucks, yes. But there is nothing I love more than studying the word of God and having so many resources to draw from. To all the folks at Logos--I'm counting on you to make Logos 4 the incontestably greatest Bible soft-ware program in the world!

Congratulations Steven. Let it serve you well.