Are there Pentecostal/Charismatic M.Div Users of Logos 4.5 ?

I was raised Southern Baptist and went to seminary at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas.  Right in the heart of the Bible belt I became spiritually dry and went on a quest for God.  I discovered J. Rodman Williams many years later as I was looking for any kind of theology books or commentaries written from the Pentecostal perspective.

Peter Cellini said:

I know for a fact that some decion makers at Logos are against the Pentacostal movement (and its writers) and believes that it is harmful to Christianity.

If this were true we would not have these:

http://www.logos.com/products/search?Christian+Group=Pentecostal

Peter, I have to agree with Graham. But no one is calling you a liar here. You just may have poor information. Who told you this? And which Logos people are you referring to?

Robert J Smith said:

told you this? And which Logos people are you referring to?

It would not be appropriate to tell you who.  But I can tell you this is first hand information. Not hearsay

Peter Cellini said:

I know what I was told...unless you are calling me a liar, we should leave it at that.

Really?

Peter Cellini said:

Robert J Smith said:

told you this? And which Logos people are you referring to?

It would not be appropriate to tell you who.  But I can tell you this is first hand information. Not hearsay

This seems completely irrelevant in light of the fact that Logos does produce Pentecostal resources.  Besides, it's patently obvious that everyone has a bias, so discovering a bias should not be a shock to anyone.

I will jump in here. I am Christadelphian, and find no resources that contend with our systemic theology or what we Believe to be Truth.

But there are many of us that use L4, some even have the Portfolio package.

Does this make the software provided any less useful as a thurough and productive Bible study package?

agreed, Todd. Thanks for keeping me on track.

Graham Owen said:

But it does show that you do not have a bias against or aversion to wood products!

Or, I may keep this one 2x4 in my inventory so that people come into my store and buy other stuff. I may just keep the 2x4 around so folks don't think I am against wood products.

painfree said:

I do  not really understand how these forums work  well enough to pose a question that the responses will be an answer to the question that is posed,

Unfortunately we rarely miss out on the opportunity for a good debate based in a thread based on the question posed by the original poster.

But being serious for a moment, it looks like there are few or no users of the profile you seek here on the forums. I am not sure what percentage of Logos users are forum users and I am personally not aware of a forum frequented by M.Div users. I do know that my own denomination, when addressing areas relating to Pentecostal distinctives, has a bias towards materials published by our own publishing house and that these are not available in Logos (a situation that I would like to see change). For more general materials we use/recommend materials that would be broadly defined as Evangelical of the type readily available in Logos. We also tend to draw on older resources from a Holiness tradition that are also available.

From a personal perspective, the current perceived lack of Pentecostal and Charismatic resources is not a major issue. The works that are available are generally good ones and it helps that we also have a number of resources by Gordon Fee which are not actually tagged as Pentecostal so the number is actually higher than it seems.

There is no category for Charismatic on the Logos website but this is no real surprise as Charismatic is more of a cross Denominational movement than a Denomination and I would expect to find Charismatic authors represented in the various "Christian Groups" if I looked for them.

Are there any specific resources that you feel are missing?

painfree said:

I do  not really understand how these forums work  well enough to pose a question that the responses will be an answer to the question that is posed, namely..knowing whether there are others M. Div  users practicing a Pentecostal/Full Gospel  theology that use Logos 4.5

Perhaps another way of stating this would be..  If you have an M.Div degree and are Full Gospel/Pentecostal, do you use Logos 4.5?  or simply,  who in this forum is Pentecostal and has received their M. Div degree and REGULARLY uses Logos 4.5 and wants more Logos full gospel resources.

I really feel inadequate here but I am trying.

Welcome to the Forums.

Your question was posted on the Logos 4 Windows section of the Forum. There may be users that do not see this because they are Mac users.

General topics are best located on the GENERAL forum where all users are more likely to see them.

Logos has been publishing some titles in the last year from Gospel Publishing House (Assembly of God). Several Gordon Fee titles are avaialble on Logos.

Peter Cellini said:

I know for a fact that some decion makers at Logos are against the Pentacostal movement (and its writers) and believes that it is harmful to Christianity

Brother, how do you know that for a fact?  What I know for a fact is that Christians of all persuasions should not make such a charge, and back it up with no facts.  Also, there was no need for you to imply that Catholicism is harmful to Christianity.  You can disagree with someone's doctrine and still treat them with respect.

Just my opinion but your post was most direspectful.  As someone who is NOT against the Pentecostal movement, I don't think your post is a very effective witness for it.

Peter Cellini said:

I know what I was told

I am not calling you a liar Peter.  But you "know for a fact" because someone told you?  I don't know anything for a fact because someone tells me something.  That was the first painful lesson that I learned as a pastor many years ago.

I just did not appreciate the tone of accusation in your post.

Peter Cellini said:

Those with eyes can see.

My mother-in-law will go to the Adoration of the Eucharist and weep in God's presence.  Her tears become her language of devotion to Christ. I am not Catholic but I have eyes to see.  There are two sides to what you are saying.

Graham, I searched my L4 library for Gordon Fee and came up with nothing.  Maybe I'm not doing the search right?  So far, my search for Pentecostal/Charismatic works -- especially commentaries -- is still coming up dry.

I only have an undergraduate degree in Biblical and Theological Studies but would love to get my M.Div. at some point.  I grew up Episcopalian but had a dramatic conversion at age 17 when I visited a non-denominational church.  The pastor (a 20 year Southern Baptist who had a 7 point sermon for the cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit only to have a Jack Deere experience when a Charismatic friend visited him and asked if he could pray for him) taught very Biblically and soundly thanks to his extensive theological training that complimented his experience (much like Gordon Fee).  I was fortunate to have a very sound theological foundation in approaching the Word of God.  Also, I went off to Gordon College only 1 year after my conversion, so that exposed me a bit early in my walk to more theological training.  Gordon Fee's son, Mark Fee, was also a Vineyard pastor for a time who was very theologically sound.  My current pastor (Calvary Chapel) is friends with Mark Fee and is very theologically sound.

I would love to see works from folks like Jack Deere, John White, John Wimber, and others who have taught at some respected seminaries as visiting professors.  I would also like to see more of C. Peter Wagner and the more extensive works of Gordon Fee.  I know know that J. I. Packer coined the phrase 3rd Waver for those not cessationists but not quite Pentecostal or Charismatic.  It is funny how the terms can have an unknown connotation in them.  In the South or the West, Charismatic is simply a non-cessationists.  Pentecostals are simply a flavor of Charismatics; however, after moving up to the East Coast, these terms are almost dirty words in some circles... even circles that are regularly considered Charismatic like Calvary Chapel.  I am sure that this comes from abuses within the church and errant theology.  I just hope we do not take a pendulum swing and create bad theology (and errant) that is just in opposition to error and fails to hold what Scripture says is the Christian experience as the standard.  Just because there are health-wealth preachers who abused faith does not mean we should take an anti-faith position.  On the contrary, faith is surprisingly huge topic that Jesus had a lot to say.  I do not want to recreate the NT version of the Mishnah in an attitude that results from fear (and took the Law further than it should ever have been taken).

I find myself a strong non-cessationist, most likely a Third Waver, and very appreciative of Gordon Fee's commentary on 1st Corinthians, Chuck Smith's book, "Living Water," and Jack Hayford's book, "Spirit-Filled."  I very much believe the Word of God is alive and powerful today as it was at the time that Christ walked with the Apostles and that He did truly call us to follow Him and walk the in power of the Holy Spirit as He did then, though God, yet emptying Himself in perfect obedience.  I say all that to express my desire to see more scholarship from this side.

...sorry for the over sharing, but I wanted to bring what I like to think might be a balanced view in my humble opinion.

Dan DeVilder said:

Blessings on your continued walk with Jesus.

Dan

Humbly... thank you and amen to that, sir.

Part of the problem is definitions... as a Presbyterian pastor, I won't fit anyone's definition of pentecostal/charismatic, though I think of myself as more Presbycostal than frozen chosen. [:D] (just trying to lighten things up. lol)