Somebody go tell Brother Fred Morgan. Everyone else, go place your bids.
It looks like a good collection to me!
Very happy to see this. It will help fill a big hole in Logos' Anabaptist offerings.
Awesome! Only I wish I had known they had this in the works before I spent so many hours working on making a PB of History of the Mennonites. It's been a long slog, but I had already gotten through about 16% of it. Maybe I should offer them the work I've done so far in case they want to take it from there once this gets over 100% and into production.
Now should I also abandon my work on Martyrs' Mirror?
I'm in for Hubmaier. [:)]
I'm excitedly going to tell my (Mennonite) church about this. None of them are Logos users (yet), but most are thoughtful scholarly types, with a strong interest in Mennonite history. Maybe this will convince some of them to give Logos a try.
Classic Anabaptist and Mennonite History Collection (19 vols.) Somebody go tell Brother Fred Morgan. Everyone else, go place your bids.
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Thank you for this information...I immediately placed a bid! Personally don't know a great deal about Anabaptists and the Mennonites, but did read in DÁubigne's "History of the Reformation" that a group of them once protested by walking down the streets butt-naked, holding banners which read "We are the naked truth"! Hopefully it wasn't an extreme European winter! (Would have turned a chivalrous act into a shrivalrous one...lol...sorry, couldn't resist...lol!) Sounds like a pretty awesome chapter in church histroy though, and well worth knowing about...as long as after it all I don't need re-baptism.
Personally don't know a great deal about Anabaptists and the Mennonites, but did read in DÁubigne's "History of the Reformation" that a group of them once protested by walking down the streets butt-naked, holding banners which read "We are the naked truth"!
There's a popular book out now making the rounds among Mennonite congregations called The Naked Anabaptist by Stuart Murray. I haven't read it yet. I wonder whether it's a conscious allusion to that episode in Anabaptist history (which I'd never heard about before)?
I'm in [Y]
I'm not sure, but I'd say so...lol! Do you have a copy of DÁubignes? I'm sure I could dig out the reference if you wanted it.
Thank you for the PB too...it made me remember the ECF TOC posted by someone else...and I just learnt since you post them as docx, it doesnt mean I need the latest MS Word. They both worked perfectly!!!
There's a popular book out now making the rounds among Mennonite congregations called The Naked Anabaptist by Stuart Murray.
Thanks alot, just bought for the Kindle... I also have http://www.logos.com/product/3650/the-anabaptists , Friesen is a very gifted writer as he writes about "Erasmus, The Anabaptists, and the Great Commission" A very good read!
Classic Anabaptist and Mennonite History Collection (19 vols.)
No, I'm not just being generous - my maiden name is Eshelman see: http://www.gameo.org/encyclopedia/contents/E760ME.html to make the connection.
a group of them once protested by walking down the streets butt-naked, holding banners which read "We are the naked truth"!
Owen Chadwick in The Reformation (The Pelican History of the Church, vol. 3, chapter entitled "The Radicals of the Reformation", p.191) writes, "On a night in February 1535 a group of men and women ran naked and unarmed throught the streets of Amsterdam shouting: 'Woe! Woe! The wrath of God falls on this city!"
I shall refrain from further observation and/or comment ...
There's a popular book out now making the rounds among Mennonite congregations called The Naked Anabaptist by Stuart Murray. I haven't read it yet.
I have it, but have not read it. I bought it for a paper I was writing and realized that it wasn't what I needed. It looked good, but I need to revisit it.
[Y] I'm in too.
Do you have a copy of DÁubignes? I'm sure I could dig out the reference if you wanted it.
No need. I googled it and found it in Institutes of Ecclesiastical History. It was the Münsterites who did that, led by self-proclaimed "King" John of Leyden. They were a fanatical offshoot of the early Anabaptists, but mainstream Anabaptist historians distance the movement from that aberrant enclave who tried to take the town of Münster by a kind of "Occupy" action of the day. They believed that the Kingdom of God was at hand and they were meant to usher it in by taking over the worldly establishment. They occupied the town hall. They were suppressed and executed for their insurrection. Other Anabaptists were put to death simply for their theological positions, for rebaptizing adults, etc. But these ones in Münster were definitely extremists, an embarrassment to Mennonites of today.
the Münsterites who did that, led by self-proclaimed "King" John of Leyden. They were a fanatical offshoot of the early Anabaptists, but mainstream Anabaptist historians distance the movement from that aberrant enclave who tried to take the town of Münster by a kind of "Occupy" action of the day. They believed that the Kingdom of God was at hand and they were meant to usher it in by taking over the worldly establishment. They occupied the town hall. They were suppressed and executed for their insurrection. Other Anabaptists were put to death simply for their theological positions, for rebaptizing adults, etc. But these ones in Münster were definitely extremists, an embarrassment to Mennonites of today.
It seems something is missing here between "They occupied the town hall." and "They were suppressed and executed", which is required for understanding: They set up their own kingdom in Münster, forcing all inhabitants to conform to their rules, including not only adult baptism, but also redistribution of wealth and polygamy (i.e. forcibly taking women as "wives"). Their new king was known for performing death penalties in person, possibly including one of his sixteen wives that questioned his authority.
To the best of my knowledge, this was the single instance in reformation history where anabaptists came to ruling power - and they didn't handle it well.
the Münsterites who did that, led by self-proclaimed "King" John of Leyden. They were a fanatical offshoot of the early Anabaptists, but mainstream Anabaptist historians distance the movement from that aberrant enclave who tried to take the town of Münster by a kind of "Occupy" action of the day. They believed that the Kingdom of God was at hand and they were meant to usher it in by taking over the worldly establishment. They occupied the town hall. They were suppressed and executed for their insurrection. Other Anabaptists were put to death simply for their theological positions, for rebaptizing adults, etc. But these ones in Münster were definitely extremists, an embarrassment to Mennonites of today. It seems something is missing here between "They occupied the town hall." and "They were suppressed and executed", which is required for understanding: They set up their own kingdom in Münster, forcing all inhabitants to conform to their rules, including not only adult baptism, but also redistribution of wealth and polygamy (i.e. forcibly taking women as "wives"). Their new king was known for performing death penalties in person, possibly including one of his sixteen wives that questioned his authority. To the best of my knowledge, this was the single instance in reformation history where anabaptists came to ruling power - and they didn't handle it well.
Yeah, sorry I glided over a bunch of the details. I was kind of vague on them anyway and had only done my research to remind myself of the story at a superficial level. Thanks for filling in the rest.
Very excited about this. Though not Mennonite myself, I am a direct descendant of Bishop Hans Herr, one of the first Mennonite settlers of Lancaster County. Looking forward to not only learning more about the movement, but also about my family history.
I have it and read about half before getting distracted and stopping... I should finish it.
His premise is that the Anabaptist ethos can be appropriate by Christians not a part of the historical Anabaptist groups (Mennonite, Amish, Brethren etc) and be a kind of "naked anabaptist" that is an anabaptist at the essential core.
There's a popular book out now making the rounds among Mennonite congregations called The Naked Anabaptist by Stuart Murray. I haven't read it yet. I wonder whether it's a conscious allusion to that episode in Anabaptist history (which I'd never heard about before)? I have it and read about half before getting distracted and stopping... I should finish it. His premise is that the Anabaptist ethos can be appropriate by Christians not a part of the historical Anabaptist groups (Mennonite, Amish, Brethren etc) and be a kind of "naked anabaptist" that is an anabaptist at the essential core.
That describes me. (Well, not the naked part. I wear clothes to church. [;)]) But I have embraced the Anabaptist theology and attend a Mennonite church even though I'm not ethnically Mennonite and didn't grow up in this culture at all. It's an interesting mix of cultural Mennonitism and theological Anabaptism. At least half the people in my church have typical Mennonite last names (Friesen, Thiessen, Kreider, Neufeld, Neudorf, Teichroeb, Enns, Epp, Funk, Hiebert, Hintz, etc.); many of them went to Mennonite educational institutions, married other Mennonites, play traditional Mennonite games (crokinole), make traditional Mennonite paska (a kind of Easter bread), and sometimes still like to sing a hymn verse in German here or there for old times' sake. And they are all connected by no more than two degrees to just about any other Mennonite who comes to visit our church (related to them, or went to the same church as their parents, or sang in a choir with their cousin or some such).
The aspects of Anabaptist theology that attracted me were a strong emphasis on discipleship (following in Christ's footsteps), community, and peacemaking. Also more of a cultural thing than theology, but the Mennonites have a strong history of 4-part harmony hymn singing which my particular congregation has preserved, and it's awesome.
I think there's been a kind of renaissance of interest in Anabaptist values in recent years in North America, partly because we are all getting so war weary and wondering if maybe there isn't a better way. I recently posted in the Files form a short book I stumbled upon on Google Books called Biblical Non-Resistance from the Historic Anabaptist Perspective, which I got the author's permission to turn into a PB to share with everyone.
I'm really psyched to see this collection in CP!
While I don't attend a Mennonite church (my grandfather had a run in as a teenager with the church elders which ultimately ended in him attending a Pentecostal church), I am very interested in my ancestral heritage.
I'm definitely in!
Fred . . . Fred . . . anyone . . . Fred????
I posted a note for him in another thread he'd recently been active on, so I hope he sees it. This one's for him! His persistence paid off.
Fred . . . Fred . . . anyone . . . Fred???? I posted a note for him in another thread he'd recently been active on, so I hope he sees it. This one's for him! His persistence paid off.
thank you Rosie, that was kind. I sure hope he sees it! And I am sure he might have a list of another 30 for Collection #2! I say, bring it! It's nice to see this set.
Do you have a copy of DÁubignes? I'm sure I could dig out the reference if you wanted it. No need. I googled it and found it in Institutes of Ecclesiastical History. It was the Münsterites who did that, led by self-proclaimed "King" John of Leyden. They were a fanatical offshoot of the early Anabaptists, but mainstream Anabaptist historians distance the movement from that aberrant enclave who tried to take the town of Münster by a kind of "Occupy" action of the day. They believed that the Kingdom of God was at hand and they were meant to usher it in by taking over the worldly establishment. They occupied the town hall. They were suppressed and executed for their insurrection. Other Anabaptists were put to death simply for their theological positions, for rebaptizing adults, etc. But these ones in Münster were definitely extremists, an embarrassment to Mennonites of today.
No worries... it caused me to read a bit more... I found some of the quotes frightening in DÁubigne, history is amazing. I have no problem with anyone who 100% believes in their message, no matter how wrong it is. A certain amount of respect can be afforded to any section of society who stand up for what they believe, no matter how extreme their views are. This is obviously still dangerous ground in today's atmosphere, as I am sure Judas Maccabeus understood in his time...lol!
I have always wondered if anabaptist pacifism was a reaction to Munster in much the same way as the Quakers reacted to the fifth monarchy men revolt, hopefully this collection may provide some enlightenment.
I have always wondered if anabaptist pacifism was a reaction to Munster
That's a good question which I'd never considered before, but I think it's quite plausible. It seems there was already a more pacifist branch of Anabaptists emerging before the Munster episode, and they gained ascendancy under the leadership of Menno Simons after the failure of the more apocalyptic revolutionary approach.
If you search for pacifis (to catch both "pacifism" and "pacifist") in http://www.messiah.edu/siderinstitute/resources/Joe%20Peckman.pdf you'll find a bunch of good info.
Wowowowowow! The best thing since ice cream! Actually would rather read 'ole Menno than eat ice cream. Thank you Logos! Really, just to give us a chance to bid is such a gift. I am a Mennonite and my ancestors were Mennonites for hundreds of years. These writings not only offer Biblical instruction for ordinary Christians, but they are a treasury of history as well. Thanks again![<:o)]
t least half the people in my church have typical Mennonite last names (Friesen, Thiessen, Kreider, Neufeld, Neudorf, Teichroeb, Enns, Epp, Funk, Hiebert, Hintz, etc.); many of them went to Mennonite educational institutions, married other Mennonites, play traditional Mennonite games (crokinole), make traditional Mennonite *** (a kind of Easter bread),
You're talking about my extended family there, Rosie (most of us ethnic Mennos are actually distant relatives). And the bread is called "Pascha." And I'd like some now, for in our Low German language we say "broot schleit den hunga doot...." bread kills the hunger dead. And I am hungry right now!
On another note, pacifism is a reaction to Jesus' words, not to Munster. Let's not start a theological discussion here, but I think Menno Simons would agree with me, if you read his complete works, you will find it to be true.
Oh yes, absolutely! I posted a PB that describes the biblical roots of Anabaptist pacifism here: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/45107.aspx
But it might also be true that the history of a particular branch of Christianity took a turn where some of them turned more towards a closer reading of Jesus' words to direct their beliefs after seeing what their brothers who didn't take into account Jesus' words (or interpreted them differently) had done. So I think it's a case of both-and here, not either-or. My sense from what I've read on this historical period is that the more pacifist branch were already set in their beliefs and interpretation of Scripture before the Munster episode but distanced themselves from the Munsterites even more afterwards. But I do need to read more of Menno Simons in his own words, so I'm looking forward greatly to this collection.
Noticed community bidding progress is close to 90 %.
Keep Smiling [:)]
Ok I am in. When I was homeschooling my kids we used some Mennonite materials which were top notch. :-)
How can we tell what the percentage of bidding process is?
Noticed community bidding progress is close to 90 %. How can we tell what the percentage of bidding process is?
Looking at => http://www.logos.com/product/17067/classic-anabaptist-and-mennonite-history-collection noticed orange dot closest to 100 % is $ 25
Middle of orange dot is about halfway between 80 % line and top of 100 % line; hence estimate of 90 % progress.
Classic Anabaptist and Mennonite History Collection (19 vols.) Noticed community bidding progress is close to 90 %.
Wow! That was fast! I've been looking at it every day as it's my most anticipated CP order, and it was still down below 50% last time I looked.
Classic Anabaptist and Mennonite History Collection (19 vols.) Noticed community bidding progress is close to 90 %. Wow! That was fast! I've been looking at it every day as it's my most anticipated CP order, and it was still down below 50% last time I looked.
After refreshing community pricing progress => http://www.logos.com/products/search?Status=Community+Pricing&start=&sort=progress&pageSize=15 noticed Classic Anabaptist and Mennonite History Collection (19 vols.) jump to top; hence wonder if Logos adjusted estimated production cost.
hence wonder if Logos adjusted estimated production cost.
No, it takes awhile for the Amish pre-orders to show up. They have to learn about them via snail mail, then snail mail back and those buggies are sometimes slow. [:$]
As of 07:30 AM PDT this monring this is over the top and into pre-pub territory effective Friday 03/16/2012.
Wow, that was fast, does this Collection set a record for the fastest collection to get out of CP?
I don't think so. I vaguely recall one or two in the last few months crossing the divide in less than 5-6 days.
Not even close. A History of the Mass and Its Ceremonies in the Eastern and Western Church was added Friday and crossed the line Tuesday, and there has been others like it. But I believe the record goes to The Lord from Heaven: A Study of the New Testament Teaching on the Deity and Humanity of Jesus Christ. If I don't misremember that one went over in less than a day.
hence wonder if Logos adjusted estimated production cost. No, it takes awhile for the Amish pre-orders to show up. They have to learn about them via snail mail, then snail mail back and those buggies are sometimes slow.
No, it takes awhile for the Amish pre-orders to show up. They have to learn about them via snail mail, then snail mail back and those buggies are sometimes slow.
Cute [;)]
But now is the time to jump in your buggy and bid!
I think that by friday noon we could be down to 20
Yes, $20 does look like a distinct possibility, but not much time left for those who might like to try this collection....
I've been in since day one, and would have entered bids for my friends Abraham and Jacob but we're only allowed to enter one bid in CP. I see they did get their bids in, though.
But now is the time to jump in your buggy and bid! I've been in since day one, and would have entered bids for my friends Abraham and Jacob but we're only allowed to enter one bid in CP. I see they did get their bids in, though.
[Y] [D] [<:o)] Its almost time to start a barn raising party!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=122177481176040&set=a.122176687842786.16989.122176297842825&type=3
Its almost time to start a barn raising party!
The Yoders, the Youngs, the Hunsickers and I will all be there.
Its almost time to start a barn raising party! The Yoders, the Youngs, the Hunsickers and I will all be there.
Afterwards we can meet a "EssenHaus" for some corn bread and honey. http://www.essenhaus.com/
Not to mention the home made pies and fresh baked bread.
Its almost time to start a barn raising party! The Yoders, the Youngs, the Hunsickers and I will all be there. Afterwards we can meet a "EssenHaus" for some corn bread and honey. http://www.essenhaus.com/ Not to mention the home made pies and fresh baked bread.
And we can play the Mennonite Game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCmmrHK4HNk
This is really close to $20, come on folks you will not see this collection this cheap at 12:05 on Friday. Bid now! [Y] Pay later! [;)]
And yes I will (won´t say must) confess that I would like to to go as low as 15[:$]
Great. [:D]
I think I visited some of those farms for my Rural Sociology Class at OSU in 1990.
Thanks for the link. [B] [B] [B]
