Take the Logos 4 speed test . . .
There have been a growing number of speed related issues with V4 raised since it was released (and while it was in Beta). Since speed is very subjective (one person may be annoyed to tears with a 3 second delay on a right click and another person might see it as a nice break:-). In order to clarify what is really going on, could we make a standard speed test?
Here would be my suggestion: Divide the test into three parts. 1. Gui. 2. Search speed. 3. Obvious bugs. The tests for each could be as follows:
1. Gui speed.
A. When you have multiple tabs open do you have instant response when you click on an unselected tab? If no what is the approximate lag time?
B. When you right click on a word in a Bible that has an interlinear, is the information in the menu displayed instantly or is there a lag (If there is a lag how many seconds until everything is displayed).
C. When you click on a word in a Bible with an interlinear, does the word instantly become highlighted in both the text and the interlinear or is there a lag? If a lag how long?
2. Search speed. (as speed in this area is system specific, I think it is only right to post both the speed of Logos3 and Logos4. Logos3 is our point of reference for search efficiency and I think all of us expect Version 4 to be faster in this department)
A. Do a passage guide search in version three for Romans 8:1 with all headings expanded. Do the same passage guide search in V4 (make sure you only have the categories expanded that correspond to the categories in Version 3's passage guide.) List the time in seconds for both.
B. Do a library search for the word "God" in both V3 and V4. Note the time it takes for both, not only to complete the search, but also to display all search results. (NOTE: in V4 the search results will be divided into pages, and each pave initiates a new search - so to be fare you must multiply your time for page 1 by the number of pages listed at the bottom)
C. Using an interlinear with the information tool open, hover over a word. Record the time taken to display all information in both versions.
3. Obvious bugs
This isn't so much a test, as a place to report obvious speed related issues (like program becoming temporarily unresponsive, etc. If you list a bug, record your system data. Include atleast the following:
Operating system, CPU, Memory amount, video card, hard drive, antivirus and anti-spyware software, etc.
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Here are my results:
1. Gui speed.
A. When you have multiple tabs open do you have instant response when you click on an unselected tab? If no what is the approximate lag time?
Lag ranges from instant to about 5 seconds. I can't find out a consistent way to make it lag it just happens some times
B. When you right click on a word in a Bible that has an interlinear, is the information in the menu displayed instantly or is there a lag (If there is a lag how many seconds until everything is displayed).
Lag is about 5 - 6 seconds on average
C. When you click on a word in a Bible with an interlinear, does the word instantly become highlighted in both the text and the interlinear or is there a lag? If a lag how long?
Lag is 1 - 2 seconds (can be worse if information window is open)
2. Search speed. (as speed in this area is system specific, I think it is only right to post both the speed of Logos3 and Logos4. Logos3 is our point of reference for search efficiency and I think all of us expect Version 4 to be faster in this department)
A. Do a passage guide search in version three for Romans 8:1 with all headings expanded. Do the same passage guide search in V4 (make sure you only have the categories expanded that correspond to the categories in Version 3's passage guide.) List the time in seconds for both.
Version 3 = 6 seconds
Version 4 = 35 seconds (a passage guide search with all headings expanded is 80 seconds for me)
B. Do a library search for the word "God" in both V3 and V4. Note the time it takes for both, not only to complete the search, but also to display all search results. (NOTE: in V4 the search results will be divided into pages, and each pave initiates a new search - so to be fare you must multiply your time for page 1 by the number of pages listed at the bottom)
Version 3 = 115 seconds
Version 4 = 500 seconds (25 seconds times 20 pages)
C. Using an interlinear with the information tool open, hover over a word. Record the time taken to display all information in both versions.
Version 3 = practically instant
Version 4 = 5 - 10 seconds depending on the word.
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Greg Gray said:
B. Do a library search for the word "God" in both V3 and V4. Note the time it takes for both, not only to complete the search, but also to display all search results. (NOTE: in V4 the search results will be divided into pages, and each pave initiates a new search - so to be fare you must multiply your time for page 1 by the number of pages listed at the bottom)
Version 3 = 115 seconds
Version 4 = 500 seconds (25 seconds times 20 pages)
My results were a reverse of yours as v3 took 600s and v4 took 100s. I also realised that the default in v3 is to search all word forms (Stemming), so I changed v4 to Match All Word Forms.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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[quote]My results were a reverse of yours as v3 took 600s and v4 took 100s. I also realised that the default in v3 is to search all word forms (Stemming), so I changed v4 to Match All Word Forms.
My system should not be too far off from yours and yet your V4 is performing 5 times faster.
Did you try any of the other tests? do you have any problems with slow GUI?
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I don't have v3 loaded but here are my results in V4:
1. Gui speed.
A. When you have multiple tabs open do
you have instant response when you click on an unselected tab? If no
what is the approximate lag time?Instant across the board.
B. When you right click on a word in a
Bible that has an interlinear, is the information in the menu displayed
instantly or is there a lag (If there is a lag how many seconds until
everything is displayed).Lag is about 1 - 2 seconds on average
C. When you click on a word in a Bible
with an interlinear, does the word instantly become highlighted in both
the text and the interlinear or is there a lag? If a lag how long?Lag is 1 second (can be worse if information window is open)
2. Search speed. (as speed in this area is
system specific, I think it is only right to post both the speed of
Logos3 and Logos4. Logos3 is our point of reference for search
efficiency and I think all of us expect Version 4 to be faster in this
department)A. Do a passage guide search in version three for Romans 8:1
with all headings expanded. Do the same passage guide search in V4
(make sure you only have the categories expanded that correspond to the
categories in Version 3's passage guide.) List the time in seconds for
both.Version4 3 - 4 seconds
B. Do a library search for the word
"God" in both V3 and V4. Note the time it takes for both, not only to
complete the search, but also to display all search results. (NOTE:
in V4 the search results will be divided into pages, and each pave
initiates a new search - so to be fare you must multiply your time for
page 1 by the number of pages listed at the bottom)Version 3 = 115 seconds
Version 4 = 44 seconds (2.23 seconds times 20 pages)
C. Using an interlinear with the
information tool open, hover over a word. Record the time taken to
display all information in both versions.Version 4 = 3-4 seconds depending on the word.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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1.A 0.5 second lag running Logos with 13 resources and reports. Firefox with 20 tabs, Digsby IM client, Bibleworks 8 with notes, and Openoffice.org
1.B. 0.5 or faster second delay to create a menu, it populates in about five seconds.
1.C. 0.5 second delay
2.A,B. I don't have V3 installed.
Desktop | Windows Experience Index: | AMD 64 X2 3800+ (2.0Ghz) dual core | 4GB RAM | Dual 22" widescreen monitors at 1680x1050 | Nvidia 7300 GS 256MB video RAM |500 GB Raid Mirror. | Windows 7 Professional 64bit - all patches. |Kaspersky Internet Security 2010 - up to date
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Greg Gray said:
1. Gui speed.
A. When you have multiple tabs open do you have instant response when you click on an unselected tab? If no what is the approximate lag time?
Result: Instant response
Greg Gray said:B. When you right click on a word in a Bible that has an interlinear, is the information in the menu displayed instantly or is there a lag (If there is a lag how many seconds until everything is displayed).
Result: Window pops up instantly, takes up to about 2 seconds (by the sound of the ticking of my office wall clock) to finish displaying options, depending on which item on the right side of the menu is selected.
Greg Gray said:C. When you click on a word in a Bible with an interlinear, does the word instantly become highlighted in both the text and the interlinear or is there a lag? If a lag how long?
Result: Instant to up to a second.
Greg Gray said:2. Search speed. (as speed in this area is system specific, I think it is only right to post both the speed of Logos3 and Logos4. Logos3 is our point of reference for search efficiency and I think all of us expect Version 4 to be faster in this department)
A. Do a passage guide search in version three for Romans 8:1 with all headings expanded. Do the same passage guide search in V4 (make sure you only have the categories expanded that correspond to the categories in Version 3's passage guide.) List the time in seconds for both.
Result: V3 (checking all options except my "collections"): 47 seconds; V4: hard to tell, since some of it finishes outside of screen shot. But it looks like about 12 seconds.
Greg Gray said:B. Do a library search for the word "God" in both V3 and V4. Note the time it takes for both, not only to complete the search, but also to display all search results. (NOTE: in V4 the search results will be divided into pages, and each pave initiates a new search - so to be fare you must multiply your time for page 1 by the number of pages listed at the bottom)
Result (searching all unlocked/entire library): V3: I gave up after 7.5 mintes; V4: about 20 seconds to get to the bottom of the page where there were 20+ more pages waiting.
Greg Gray said:C. Using an interlinear with the information tool open, hover over a word. Record the time taken to display all information in both versions.
Result (using NA27 interlinear): V3: Instantaneous; V4 about 1 second after mouse stops moving.
Greg Gray said:Operating system, CPU, Memory amount, video card, hard drive, antivirus and anti-spyware software, etc.
OS: Win7 (64bit); CPU: Intel i7-920 (2.67 GHz 8MB L3 cache); RAM: 6GB; Video: ATI Radeon HD 4850 (512MB); HD: 683GB (466GB free); AV: Norton Internet Security.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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[:o] that is a serious machine Richard.Richard DeRuiter said:OS: Win7 (64bit); CPU: Intel i7-920 (2.67 GHz 8MB L3 cache); RAM: 6GB; Video: ATI Radeon HD 4850 (512MB); HD: 683GB (466GB free); AV: Norton Internet Security.
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3. Here is a reproducible bug on my system. Normally on my system doing a lemma search in a Word study guide displays the results much faster than a regular Bible search does, but the following example makes my system hang anywhere from about 20 seconds to up to 80 seconds
.The word study guide finds all results very quickly, but when I click on the wheel I get the following:
After about 20 to 80 seconds all returns to normal. The same thing happens to me at times when switching between tabs, but I have not been able to consistently reproduce this.
After trying several searches. I have founds some common threads.
1. This only happens with words that are used over 1000 times in the NT.
2. And if I click on a part of the circle that is only used a few times it still hangs (so it is not just the time it takes to display the results).
3. When I go to close the tab of a Bible word study that has a word that is used over 1000 times in the NT it hangs before closing the tab the majority of the time (especially if I have multiple word study tabs open).
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Richard, how much would that machine set me back, without monitor, mouse, spkrs, and keyboard. I have hope for a machine like that in the just under $500 category.[:D]
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Chris said:
Richard, how much would that machine set me back, without monitor, mouse, spkrs, and keyboard. I have hope for a machine like that in the just under $500 category
I bought mine from Dell at the end of June for just under $1500. That included a 22" flat screen (very nice too!) and a Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio card (plus the other things I already mentioned). I got the standard keyboard. I may get another one, maybe a bluetooth keyboard & mouse. We'll see.
Logos4 screams with delight on it.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Thomas Black said:
that is a serious machine Rich
I'm Reformed. We're known for being serious. Seriously. My goal: more dour by the hour. [;)]
Thanks, though. It took me a while to save for it, but even at $1500 it wasn't that bad. I bought it directly from Dell, where I customized it to my pref's.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Full Test
1. A <1s Note: L4 in offline mode for all tests
B. 2-3s
C. 1-2s
2. A L3=6s L4=4s Only media used was Bib. People
B. L3=220s L4=100s (it was the first thing I did in L3)
C. L3=Instant L4=3s
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Greg Gray said:
but when I click on the wheel I get the following:
I can confirm much the same behaviour. L4 freezes/hangs when I click on the large part of the wheel, using all of 1 core. Also hangs on small part and hangs on Close of tab!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Here is a log file for the bug I detailed above:
You can see two hangs - the biggest one being from when I click the "x" to close the Bible word study at 16:22:11 to when the program recovers at 16:23:47. That is 96 seconds to close a tab.
The other is at 16:21:32 until 16:22:11, but again the most significant hang is when I try to close the word study.
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That just belongs in a tagline or facebook posting or something. That's funny.Richard DeRuiter said:I'm Reformed. We're known for being serious. Seriously. My goal: more dour by the hour.
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Thomas Black said:
That just belongs in a tagline or facebook posting or something. That's funny.Richard DeRuiter said:I'm Reformed. We're known for being serious. Seriously. My goal: more dour by the hour.
We also have "Reserved" signs on some of our pews. We're not holding them for certain people. It's just an adjective for those who sit there. [;)]
(And yes, I'm lying - er - exaggerating a bit.)
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Hello Greg
Read about your experience. I come across the same problem a lot of the time when using the Bible Word Study. Your findings are most interesting. I'm not sure, but I think I've encountered the same problem even with words used much less than a 1000 times i NT.
I also get the "Logos not responding"-message and then Logos comes back on after a few seconds. However, my experience is that the program as a whole gets more sluggish after one or two of those "mini-crashes". Is that your experience too? I tend to close and restart the whole program in order to recover speed.
Is this a bug? Are you aware of any solution to the problem?
Kindly,
Andreas Holmberg
Pastor in Stockholm, Church of Sweden
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[quote]Is this a bug? Are you aware of any solution to the problem?
To me its a bug - but nobody from logos has ever confirmed this.
I have tried all I can think of, and nothing has helped - and as you stated - once it happens its seems to get worse (especially with more than one word study guide opened at a time).
I have had this happen with words used less than 1000 times as well, but I don't consistently get the "not responding message" unless it is with more frequently used words.
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1. Gui speed.
1A lag - 2 Seconds1B lag - 8-10 seconds1C lag - 3-4 seconds2. Search speed.
2A-V4 all) 90 Seconds.
2A-V4 subset) 40 seconds
2A-V3) 25 secondsB. Do a library search for the word
"God" in both V3 and V4.2B-V4) 45 second * 20 pages
My Content - 364 results
New Resources 482 Results
Library Results 1,762,305
2B-V3) - 37 minutes - 850683 found search still progressing, but I had to go have a life for a while.C. Using an interlinear with the
information tool open, hover over a word. Record the time taken to
display all information in both versions.2C-V4) 8 seconds
2C-V3) 2 seconds flash with info,
seconds all info up.3. Obvious bugs
In test 2A-all) I experienced a 10-12 second black screen of near death which was included in the 90 second total.
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Greg, for the record, my machine acts pretty much the same as yours with freezes, partial black screen "not responding", and overall sluggish performance. I was able to crash it by opening a search on "grace" and having two handouts screens and 5 resources and the NASB open at the same time.I re-indexed over night, and have the same problems. I can have 20 Word documents open, power point , outlook publisher, Logos3, the inking screen, and Excel running at the same time with overall "snappy" performance.
The specs on my machine are:
HP Tablet PC, Vista Business 64, 1.2 Core Duo,purchased 2/15/08
Version 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 Build 6002 (set to auto update)
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 4.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 3.93 GB
Available Physical Memory 1.66 GB
Total Virtual Memory 8.03 GB
Available Virtual Memory 5.62 GB
Page File Space 4.22 GBHard drive is 64 GB and has 14 GB free,
Logos4 installed on (M:\)Transcend 32 GB Express Card
Display Adapter Type: Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family, Intel Corporation compatible.
Display Adapter RAM 448.00 MB (469,762,048 bytes)
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Great work with the new version! It did take 4 days for me to download 5gig of updates from Iraq
Below are my computer specs for my mini. I don't find it an issue to search resources with a delay but it takes a few seconds (3-4) to scroll a few lines which is painful. Passage Search from main screen: Romans 1 takes 47 seconds
Single window ESV bible jump to 1 Peter takes 3 seconds, scroll down 2-3 seconds lag
Logos4.exe process using 220Mb of Mem
Right Click in ESV on a word - interlinear only takes 4 seconds
Left Click in ESV interlinear takes 4 seconds
I dont mind waiting for searches but scrolling is very hard to deal with. I know I am probably one of the few on a mini, but for 5hrs battery life and small design I can take Logos where ever I need to go.
BTW: Logos works great on my Dell XPS 1330, near instant search time.Little larger notebook but it is for programming, while the mini is for email, logos, kindle, photo album and skype.
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Richard and Thomas, you are both experience better performance despite my system being considerably better [or at least supposedly].
Thomas
Desktop | Windows Experience Index: | AMD 64 X2 3800+ (2.0Ghz) dual core | 4GB RAM | Dual 22" widescreen monitors at 1680x1050 | Nvidia 7300 GS 256MB video RAM |500 GB Raid Mirror. | Windows 7 Professional 64bit - all patches. |Kaspersky Internet Security 2010 - up to date
Richard
OS: Win7 (64bit); CPU: Intel i7-920 (2.67 GHz 8MB L3 cache); RAM: 6GB; Video: ATI Radeon HD 4850 (512MB); HD: 683GB (466GB free); AV: Norton Internet Security.
My System:
Experience Index 6, Intel i7-920 (2.66 8MB L3 Cache); 12 Gb DDR3 1600 RAM, three GeForce 9600 512 DDR3 cards (each runing a 23" 1080p monitor), two 1.5 Tb drives running at Raid 0, AV: Norton 360.
Still you guys are having better performance:
Thomas' GUI test: 0.5, 0.5, 0.5
Richard's Results Gui. Instant, instant to 2 sec, instant to 1 sec
My gui results 2sec, 3 sec, 3-4sec.
I know Bob says it's hardware but i have a hard time thinking that's it.
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DavidLooney said:
I know Bob says it's hardware but i have a hard time thinking that's it.
My feeling is latency with 3 x High Definition video cards. You can experiment with these if you want. Also 12 GB memory may have higher latency than say 6 - 8 GB with 6 x 2 GB memory sticks vs 3 or 4 sticks. You might want to get dirty with the BIOS settings for memory and CPU timing.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
My feeling is latency with 3 x High Definition video cards. You can experiment with these if you want
Thanks Dave... I tested Logos by dropping to one video card and dropping the resolution down pretty low. It was the only thing i could think of. That didn't do anything. I might try over clocking the cards once I've watter cooled them all, not sure if i want to do that though.
Dave Hooton said:Also 12 GB memory may have higher latency than say 6 - 8 GB with 6 x 2 GB memory sticks vs 3 or 4 sticks
I have Cosair Dominator's (Cas Latency 8). I took your advice and i'm OC'ing my memory now @1600mhz... i've actually noticed about a .5 sec improvement in GUI test and a major system improvement overall. I've heard slower DDR2 can outperform faster DDR3 due to tighter timing... not sure about that. I guess if Rick and Thomas are both using DDR2 it could explain why they're having better performance.
Thomas and Rick, do you guys mind telling me what kind of memory you're using?
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David,
Off subject, but are you the son of Clinton Looney?
MacBook Air M1 16GB RAM | Mac Mini M1 8GB RAM | iMac 24" M1 16GB RAM | iPad Pro (plus some Windows laptops relegated to disuse)
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DavidLooney said:
My System:
Experience Index 6,
Which test brings your experience index down to a 6?
Also are you running Win7x64?
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I have been running Windows 7 64bit for the last couple weeks and have noticed less problems than my 32bit install. I know there can be lots of factors here, but I will redo the test to show the difference.
[quote]1. Gui speed.
A. When you have multiple tabs open do you have instant response when you click on an unselected tab? If no what is the approximate lag time?
Lag ranges from instant to about 5 seconds (32bit). I can't find out a consistent way to make it lag it just happens some times
Lag ranges from instant to 2 seconds (64bit)
B. When you right click on a word in a Bible that has an interlinear, is the information in the menu displayed instantly or is there a lag (If there is a lag how many seconds until everything is displayed).
Lag is about 5 - 6 seconds on average (32bit)
Lag is about 3-4 (64bit)
C. When you click on a word in a Bible with an interlinear, does the word instantly become highlighted in both the text and the interlinear or is there a lag? If a lag how long?
Lag is 1 - 2 seconds (can be worse if information window is open)(32bit)
pretty consistent at 1 second (even with information window open) (64bit)
2. Search speed. (as speed in this area is system specific, I think it is only right to post both the speed of Logos3 and Logos4. Logos3 is our point of reference for search efficiency and I think all of us expect Version 4 to be faster in this department)
A. Do a passage guide search in version three for Romans 8:1 with all headings expanded. Do the same passage guide search in V4 (make sure you only have the categories expanded that correspond to the categories in Version 3's passage guide.) List the time in seconds for both.
Version 3 = 6 seconds
Version 4 = 35 seconds (a passage guide search with all headings expanded is 80 seconds for me)
Version4 = 20 seconds ( A passage guide search for Romans 8:1 with all headings expanded was 55 seconds) (64bit)
B. Do a library search for the word "God" in both V3 and V4. Note the time it takes for both, not only to complete the search, but also to display all search results. (NOTE: in V4 the search results will be divided into pages, and each pave initiates a new search - so to be fare you must multiply your time for page 1 by the number of pages listed at the bottom)
Version 3 = 115 seconds
Version 4 = 500 seconds (25 seconds times 20 pages) (64bit)
Version 4 = 200 seconds (10seconds times 20 pages) (64bit)
C. Using an interlinear with the information tool open, hover over a word. Record the time taken to display all information in both versions.
Version 3 = practically instant
Version 4 = 5 - 10 seconds depending on the word.
Version 4 = 4 - 6 seconds depending on the word
As you can see I am getting substantially better results with the 64bit install. Both are set up the same way with the same programs installed same services disabled, etc.
Of course the 64bit install is allowing me access to my full 4GB of memory (2.9GB in 32bit).
Also a note on the times differences between version 3 and 4 searches and passage guide. Since doing my initial comparison I have upgraded my Version 4 package so my version4 install now has 470 more books in it than the version 3 (this also emphasizes how much better the 64bit install is running - I am getting for some things over 50% better times with almost double the books to search through) .
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DavidLooney said:
I know Bob says it's hardware but i have a hard time thinking that's it.
I'm starting to think its' a combination of hardware and background services. Someone posted yesterday about getting a significant boost to Logos4 after turning off "Tablet PC Input Services" (turn off and set to "Manual"). See this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/5627/44019.aspx#44019
Now it may not have been that service, but how that service interacted with another. I don't know. But it's a direction to start thinking about. I actually had that service enabled before and turned it off yesterday.
You have Norton 360 and I have Norton Internet Security. There are a few differences between the two that may account for the issue as well. Maybe not, but in the past, at least, Norton has been known to muck things up when it tries to enhance system performance (I don't know if this is still the case).
Then there are issues of driver mismatch. I've written in a few other threads about a problem I had when I upgraded an EVGA nVidia card from a driver at the nVidia site. Wrong chip set: big problems. Uninstalled, found the right driver at EVGA and things worked great. But even if you get the right driver for the right chip set, are they really as optimized for Win7 as they claim?
So somewhere in the multitude of variables between hardware, background software, services and drivers, there's an answer. Finding it is daunting.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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[quote]So somewhere in the multitude of variables between hardware, background software, services and drivers, there's an answer. Finding it is daunting.
I partially agree with this - except the statement implies that the problem is with the hardware/drivers/services and that it is the users responsibility to track down the problem. For example if Logos4 is not reacting well to some background service, it is not a problem with our systems, but with Logos4.
Don't get me wrong, the more we can try to narrow things down for the Logos team the better - but to be fair Logos4 does not behave well speed wise on a lot of systems - and it is not hardware dependent (there are great systems performing poorly, and vice versa). I would say that there are deficiencies in the Logos4 code that makes it susceptible to performance hits in several environments at times non-dependent on hardware specs.
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Greg Gray said:
For example if Logos4 is not reacting well to some background service, it is not a problem with our systems, but with Logos4.
True, unless the user is doing non-standard installs, and running non-Windows services in the background, or using system 'optimizers' to set non-standard settings for the Windows environment. I also think that for users who build their own systems, it's the user's responsibility to ensure that all the chip sets and all the drivers from all the components work together without incompatibilities or 'bottle-necks' (one reason I don't build my own systems anymore). Then add in, users who turn off default services that Logos may be needing. In these scenarios, the user who caused the problem has (or at least shares) the responsibility to remedy it.
Logos did discover an incompatibility with Nokia software (Nokia Phone Suite) and services needing to be turned off, e.g. How many other similar services are out there doing virtually the same thing? Is it Logos' responsibility to track down every possible offending background task and service? I hope not. I'd rather have the finish work my NIV rev int.
I prefer to see this trouble-shooting thing as a partnership opportunity between user and company. I'm quite sure they're looking into this, but they don't have your computer to help them find the issue (whether it's yours or theirs).
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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