I agree we have to discuss and help one another how to use the software, but I strongly disagree to see some one,who is against Trinity tolerated in Logos forums.
Frankly Tes, I would be glad to see an atheist who wanted to study the Bible find a welcome here.
who wanted to study the Bible
This sounds good,but this is not the case with him..
Tes,
You could be inviting a theological debate whether you think so or not. This is not the place. If you find others who are here just to debate theology please refer them to Logos via email and to the President's request:
Please stop the theology wars in Logos forums.
Just stop.
Stop posting about errors in other people's doctrine. Please stop posting your own doctrine. Please stop responding to correct misperceptions or misunderstandings or to counter attacks.
It takes two to have an argument. Please stop being the second party that turns an unkind post into a flame war.
Logos Bible Software is here to serve everyone who studies the Bible. That is intentionally "big tent" and we intentionally do not have a statement of faith or a doctrinal position.
The forums are here to support and discuss Logos Bible Software. There are plenty of forums for gladitorial theological combat; please take those discussions there.
I do not want to moderate the forums. I do not want to pay someone to moderate the forums. I am opposed to deleting or locking threads because it's pointless: the person who must make their voice heard will find other ways to do so. And the person who would respect the shut down doesn't need to be "deleted," only told. And I want to spend our resources on building tools, not hiring hall monitors for the forums.
Big News: Not everyone agrees on theology. Turns out, Catholics and protestants have been disagreeing for quite some time. The arguments have, at times, gotten quite heated, if you could believe that. Turns out, the protestants have their own problems, too. They've been splitting churches on stuff like form of baptism (forward immersion or backwards?), style of worship music (drums in church?), and, amazingly, personal disagreements that sometimes start at covered-dish suppers.
Logos is here for everyone who studies the Bible. Baby sprinklers, backwards immersers, forward triple-dunkers, bacon in the potato salad, lime Jello molds with celery, pastors with robes, churches with candles, vegetarians, and sunrise services on the beach. Heretics, cultists, and atheists included; we'd love for them to study the Bible, too.
To everyone who knows that others are wrong:
Wouldn't it be great if all the people who waste their time and energy on petty things put that time and energy into Bible study? Wouldn't it be great if people who've made horrible theological errors and are leading others astray spent their time in studying the Word? And what is more likely to set the wrong on the path of truth? My badgering and taunting, or time spent studying God's Word?
I'd sure hate to be wasting the time and energy of people of people who, because they've bought Logos Bible Software and are hanging out in its forums, have already shown that they're engaged in that study and pursuit of God's truth.
There are other places where you can seek out and engage people who aren't already studying. Maybe they want to be badgered. Or better yet, you could encourage them to do their own study, too.
One more time, bluntly.
Most of the theology flame wars seem to be protestant/Catholic. Just stop.
Protestants: The Catholics here are the ones engaged in personal Bible study. No matter how much you disagree with Catholic doctrine / church history / whatever, wouldn't these be your favorite Catholics? Please treat them kindly.
Catholics: Logos welcomes you, and we're working hard to provide more tools, resources, and support. We've hired a Catholic product manager and are working hard to serve you. But our customer base is still 95% protestant, and you know that there are some passionate and even out-of-control people in protestant churches, and that the protestants don't do a good job getting along on a single doctrinal statement. That's why the Catholic church is basically one large church, and the average protestant church splits after reaching 100-200 people. I know the attacks are painful and unkind, but please understand that you're "surrounded" by people who traditionally are more likely to split a church than seek unity. In the protestant mindset there isn't a single authority figure who will be respected, let alone able to quell debate and dissension.
Respectfully,
-- Bob
Just a quick reply:
I am a Protestant and one of my co-workers is Catholic. Over the years we have gotten into numerous discussions. Sometimes we agree and sometimes not - yet we both treat each other with kindness and respect and I always look forward to our conversations.
Tess, I completely and totally disagree with you. Everyone who uses a Logos' product needs to be invited to participate within the forums!
I do believe that I know the person who you are talking about, and this person did cross the line as it relates to the rules for Logos' forum. Then again, I have cross that line. And I would say with your post, you also crossed the line. All of us have fallen short of the Glory of God.
The person who I think you are talking about has also provided good feedback to other Logos' users.
Here's the thing, this is created as a space to help each other in how to use Logos Bible Software. Most of use who use it have invested thousands of dollars in this product, and having access to this resource should be available to all users, without discrimination based on belief.
I am a firm believer in the Trinity, I think its very clear in the Bible. But I welcome those who disagree with me to come to the forums, not to debate, but to learn how to study the Bible. I believe that the Holy Spirit can do His job and influence the heart of anyone as they study the Bible. I do discuss theology elsewhere, but here on the forums (since this is Logos "house") I believe in respecting the house rules.
Let's stop stop the fighting and study the Bible!
May I suggest reading The Three Hermits by Leo Tolstoy? http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/2896/ It presents an interesting take on correcting others. Note: this is very short unlike War & Peace. [8-|]
May I suggest reading The Three Hermits by Leo Tolstoy? http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/2896/ It presents an interesting take on correcting others. Note: this is very short unlike War & Peace.
[8-|][8-|] [:D]
And here is a docx document so that people can create a PBB.5775.The Three Hermits by Leo Tolstoy.docx
Book cover:
.... I strongly disagree to see some one,who is against Trinity tolerated in Logos forums.
Tes, many(but not all) of the products Logos sells happen to be from the christian spectrum in it's many iterations . Having said that not all christians are trinitarians! furthermore Logos has also started to acquire more Jewish products which of course come from a world view and theology different from the 'trinitarian one'.
So, Tes in your opinion are:
Jewish users, Karaite, Unitarian users, oneness Pentecostal users, Christadelphians, J-Witness users, Mormon users, Muslim users, deist users, agnosticism users, atheist users, and anyone else welcomed at the logos forums? Are, should all of Logos customers of the above persuasions ask for a refund and leave logos?
I think Mark Smith said enoff. We should let this thread die now and not harass anyone including Tes.
Ouch! Oh my! My goodness!, Did that just happen! Where’s my switch? Good reading, have the hard-copy! What a mess! Does HQ really give refunds after years of purchase’s to people? No they are not, Really! WOW! Can't wait for the movie!
Here we go again, what happened to "R.I.P." [W]
Where’s the ‘block’ button?[|-)]
What A Beautiful Day…….[:S] [:-*]
I wonder how God tolerated me all of my pre-Christian years and all of my lukewarm, misguided, and forgetful times since then.
We all fall short of the glory of God. Some more than others and I'll start with me first. When I'm finished with that, they'll be throwing dirt on me but it won't matter. [;)]
Hi Room4more,
I did some studying on the Christadelphian faith. I must admit that I had never ran into a Christadelphian before. It looks like there are only 6,500 of you guys in the US. I tried to look up my local "ecclesia", but it's webpage was last updated 10 years ago. There also doesn't seem to be very many in my state of Texas. Learning about Biblical Unitarianism was most interesting. I hadn't spent much time researching that belief system. I'm still confused if you guys view Jesus as God though. Either way, not the place to debate.
Would you say the Wikipedia page is fairly accurate?
Josh,
!ਗੂਡ੍ ਫ਼ੋਰ੍ ਯੋ
If the forum guidelines were respected, you'd have no idea what someone thinks about the trinity.
As I've said before on more than one occasion, many today are actually gnositcs. They think that one's salvation is determined by one's opinons regarding what is true. There is a true doctrine, but one's salvation is not determined by holding true doctrine. It is determined by trust in Jesus who revealed the love of God for his creation. If one's opinions determines one's salvation, what is the minimum which one must accept to be considered "saved"? Or how much of a particular creed must be accepted? 50%? 70%? 90%? 99%? 99.44%? Do you really think gnosticism is dead? It's all around you in almost every church.
Did someone ask for clapping hands?
Now you c me - now u don't! or- I am outta here!
Wow, George, that was equisite. I'll 'forgive' you for your 'theology' concerning interlinears. It IS true God originally spoke Hebrew (how else could Moses understand?), but with the Tower of Babel, interlinears were indispensable. Now please don't make a comment about 'Moses' versus 'Babel' since as you're well aware, any good reading of the Targums dispenses with 'chronology'.
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hey, it works?
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smmoooth...
It IS true God originally spoke Hebrew (how else could Moses understand?),
No, He spoke
!!ਗ਼ੋਡ੍ ਇਸ੍ ਅਏਸੋਮੇ
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Good night.
Is that punjabi?
ਗੂੜ ਨਿਘ੍ਤ
For those interested in discussing the "Trinity" there is an open discussion going on here in the Faithlife Forum. https://faithlife.com/discussion-of-the-trinity/activity
For those who do not understand discussion:[;)]
dis·cus·sion /dɪˈskʌʃən/ Show Spelled[dih-skuhsh-uhn]noun an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by comment, etc., especially to explore solutions; informal debate.
How true your statement is. This is not a church with a creed or statement of faith but a watering hole for thirsty software users.
The tools here will help us to know our Lord better and His will for us. That is why we come here, and not to hear people spouting off.
Apologetics is available on other channel for those who love debates.
E.
Actually, at the moment it is not really much of a discussion, and IMHO it shows that the current implementation of Faithlife is not really suited to discussions. I may repost in the Faithlife Beta forum about it.
Regarding this thread: I think Logos should delete it, as it spreads much more heat than light. The position of Logos is clear: this forum is for software usage, buying the software does not require adherence to any creed or statement of faith. Logos produces resources from all spectrums of Christianity and beyond - any user of the software may come here and discuss its usage, suggest resources and be part of the community.
Mick,
I agree with u 100%, faithlife does not have a lot of the support that would be needed for a ‘proper’ discussion. Yet it is adequately available for a smooth and reliable venture to ooze the gapping sores of those wanting to learn a mediocre form of learning how to debate, forthwith, it has been shown.
Or, maybe a place for them to vent and show what little they know - [img]http://www.websmileys.com/sm/dressed/bek035.gif[/img] - who know's/?
Hey Mick - check this one: [img]http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sport/sport25.gif[/img] hahahahha!!!
...There is a true doctrine, but one's salvation is not determined by holding true doctrine. It is determined by trust in Jesus who revealed the love of God for his creation.
Woah! Look at me agreeing with George!
Wow, George, that was equisite....
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...There is a true doctrine, but one's salvation is not determined by holding true doctrine. It is determined by trust in Jesus who revealed the love of God for his creation. Woah! Look at me agreeing with George! Wow, George, that was equisite....
I think some people need to study 1 John.[;)]
While the statement is true concerning some doctrines...It isnt concerning Who Jesus is.
Make a bid. http://www.logos.com/product/18618/classic-commentaries-and-studies-on-the-epistles-of-john
I believe that it is time for another round--------
woo-hoo! you go girl!!
AAggghhh!!! Look out!! here come the "rapture"------
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Hey, where'd he go?
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maybe some [img]http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cartoon/1403.gif[/img] ?
Time out! Let this die.
But really folks. When all this thread is said and done - I still Love ya like Christ Loves us...
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Lets call it even and dish this...
I find it interesting that the same avatar is used by about 5users…….that guy on the bike sure gets around.
George Somsel
What a fantastic statement. If you don't mind I will copy it and refer to it often.
Truly God's wisdom!
Thanks
Ed you need to study 1 John also.
Guys, please please please don't keep bumping this thread. This forum isn't for theology and if I wanted to be surrounded by Christians arguing I'd have joined my church leadership team, not the Logos forum!
Stand back and listen to yourselves. We have been clearly, politely and bluntly asked to cease and desist. If you can't respect those around you then at least respect the company sponsoring the forum. It's on their dime and I find the help too valuable to lose because you can't play nicely together. I have seen school children get along better than this.
Please honor the wishes expressed by Logos and stop the mud slinging. It isn't about whether or not you agree. It is about whether or not you are mature enough to control your keyboard.
Stand back and listen to yourselves. We have been clearly, politely and bluntly asked to cease and desist. If you can't respect those around you then at least respect the company sponsoring the forum. It's on their dime and I find the help too valuable to lose because you can't play nicely together. I have seen school children get along better than this. Please honor the wishes expressed by Logos and stop the mud slinging. It isn't about whether or not you agree. It is about whether or not you are mature enough to control your keyboard.
Other than the initial post I've seen little discussion of theology or mud slinging. Perhaps the answer is if YOU don't like the thread then YOU should quit posting to it.
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Spoken like a true believer.
Your concerns are noted but the Logos forums are certainly not the place to discuss this. To discuss Logos' policies, Logos executives have made their emails freely available. Please utilize this method and respect the forum guidelines.
I again have to ask that we let this thread go, with no further responses. Each post (including mine) drives this to the top of the General Forums, and tempts others to get involved and respond when it's not needed.
Thank you all for your respect in this matter.
Your concerns are noted but the Logos forums are certainly not the place to discuss this. To discuss Logos' policies, Logos executives have made their emails freely available. Please utilize this method and respect the forum guidelines. I again have to ask that we let this thread go, with no further responses. Each post (including mine) drives this to the top of the General Forums, and tempts others to get involved and respond when it's not needed. Thank you all for your respect in this matter.
Thank you Jonathan.
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