False advertizing?

MJ. Smith
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edited November 2024 in English Forum

So, whilst it is difficult to give a definite answer to the actual
number of Christians in the world (estimates range from 2 - 3 billion), http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Christians_are_there_worldwide#ixzz1u3y8XWvT

VS.


"There are very few pastor’s studies, seminary libraries, or even Christian homes that do not contain at least one volume of The Expositor’s Bible Commentary."  Logos blog


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Why am I suspicious that one of the following applies:
  • Christian homes is narrowly defined
  • hyperbole was practiced to the extreme
  • someone extrapolated from personal experience
  • someone was testing the fallacy detective

... I almost missed it.

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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  • Tom Reynolds
    Tom Reynolds Member Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭

    I think what they meant to say is that "There are very few pastor’s studies, seminary libraries, or even
    Christian homes that do not contain at least one dust mite and, as everyone knows, dust mites are really into The Expositor’s Bible Commentary.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,539

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • NK
    NK Member Posts: 204 ✭✭✭

    Dust mites are really into my new house, but I have yet to find a copy of the EBC --- perhaps it's a really tiny copy.

  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,928

     

    The EBC is like a mustard seed, which Logos took and planted in their product portfolio. Though the revised EBC is not the smallest of all seeds (but slightly overpriced), yet in the hands of the Logos marketers it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.

    Sorry I couldn't resist a bit of humor. One thing about the marketing of Logos, they don't shy away from bold statements.

     

  • Joseph Turner
    Joseph Turner Member Posts: 2,872 ✭✭✭

    The Expositor's Bible Commentary was one of the sources that the New Testament writers used to compile their documents.  How else do you think they knew so much?!?  Take this chance to own one of the earliest sources for the entire Bible!!!!  Order now, and you can get a free copy of the KJV, the very Bible Paul used in his ministry!  Deal only lasts while on Prepub.  The price will then be raised to one million republic credits...

     

    Disclaimer:  All of the information above is false, but the set is pretty good.

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  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    "There are very few pastor’s studies, seminary libraries, or even Christian homes that do not contain at least one volume of The Expositor’s Bible Commentary."  Logos blog


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    Why am I suspicious that one of the following applies:

    • Christian homes is narrowly defined
    • hyperbole was practiced to the extreme
    • someone extrapolated from personal experience
    • someone was testing the fallacy detective

    Surely you must know by now that in the Logos universe priests ain't pastors, and Catholics (Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans...) ain't Christians? [:P] The 2010 blog on "heavyweights from across the theological spectrum" made it pretty clear that none of the above fits within Logos' "theological spectrum"...

    Of course, this time they've not only 'forgotten' that there are Christians outside their own churches, but also that there are Christians outside their own country. I don't think there are too many Christian homes with a Bible commentary -- any Bible commentary -- in Africa or the Middle East...

    The EBC is like a mustard seed, which Logos took and planted in their product portfolio. Though the revised EBC is not the smallest of all seeds (but slightly overpriced), yet in the hands of the Logos marketers it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.

    I think you'll win today's price for most entertaining post. [:D]

     

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  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,632 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, when I saw the quote, I checked on the official Logos forum that has thousands of users, threads, and little pictures of dogs with halos.

    I was impressed when I queried if anyone did NOT have the set and sure enough, almost no one said they did NOT have the set.

    So there you go. Logos MUST BE CORRECT.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Lynden O. Williams
    Lynden O. Williams MVP Posts: 9,020

    Will someone purchase one for me so that I can be among the haves. [:D]

    Mission: To serve God as He desires.

  • tom
    tom Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭

    fgh said:


    Surely you must know by now that in the Logos universe priests ain't pastors, and Catholics (Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans...) ain't Christians? Stick out tongueThe 2010 blog on "heavyweights from across the theological spectrum" made it pretty clear that none of the above fits within Logos' "theological spectrum"...

    Of course, this time they've not only 'forgotten' that there are Christians outside their own churches, but also that there are Christians outside their own country. I don't think there are too many Christian homes with a Bible commentary -- any Bible commentary -- in Africa or the Middle East...

    So true, so true, so true...

  • Jayson Bradley
    Jayson Bradley Member Posts: 125 ✭✭

    Busted! I take full responsibility for the overstatement, and I have adjusted the post to be less hyperbolic. Thanks MJ.

     

  • Room4more
    Room4more Member Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭


    Busted! I take full responsibility for the overstatement, and I have adjusted the post to be less hyperbolic. Thanks MJ.

    Bummer, the forum dream police got your number now, dude. They will be watching.... [8-|]

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  • Joseph Turner
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  • Josh
    Josh Member Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭

    Does anyone know what the best selling Bible commentary set is?

  • BillS
    BillS Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭

    Josh said:


    Does anyone know what the best selling Bible commentary set is?


    The other 65 books of the Bible?

    [:D]

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  • Evan Boardman
    Evan Boardman Member Posts: 738 ✭✭

    If every Christian home would have it, (which cant be said for any) It would be Matthew Henry.

  • Room4more
    Room4more Member Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭

    BillS said:


    Josh said:

    Does anyone know what the best selling Bible commentary set is?

    The other 65 books of the Bible?

    Big Smile


    Would that be Apocolyptic or Pseudepigraphic?

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  • MJ. Smith
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    BillS said:

    The other 65 books of the Bible?

    Big Smile

    You're close - how 'bout ~ 85 other books?

    Room4more said:

    Would that be Apocolyptic or Pseudepigraphic?

    I'd assume canonical by the math.

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  • Room4more
    Room4more Member Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:


    BillS said:

    The other 65 books of the Bible?

    Big Smile

    You're close - how 'bout ~ 85 other books?

    Room4more said:

    Would that be Apocolyptic or Pseudepigraphic?

    I'd assume canonical by the math.


    Makes me wonder if we are adding I & II Enoch[does have a few different translational versions], The Assumption of Moses, and Eve’s record. They have also The Gospel of Thomas and of Peter….

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  • MJ. Smith
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    New Testament

    1. 'Pseudo-Josephus', the book of Yosëf Wäldä Koryon,
    called Zëna Ayhud or Mäshäfä Serew, a history
    of the Jews in 8 parts, based on the writings of Josephus.[11]

    2. Sinodos, a book of church order. The part of it attributed to the
    apostles is traditionally divided into 4 sections, Ser`atä Seyon
    (30 canons), Te'ezaz (71 canons), Gessew (56 canons) and Abtelis
    (81 canons). Sinodos MSS contain more material than this, and their
    content and order are rather variable.[12]

    3. Clement (Qälëmentos) is a book in seven parts, communicated
    by Peter to Clement.[13] It is not the Roman or Corinthian correspondence,
    nor one of the parts of Sinodos, (namely Te'ezaz, Gessew
    or Abtelis, which are sometimes called 1, 2 and 3 Clement), nor part
    of the Syriac Octateuch of Clement.

    4. The Book of the Covenant (Mäshafä Kidan) is counted as
    2 parts, firstly sections 1-60, mostly about Church order, and secondly section
    61, a discourse of our Lord to his disciples in Galilee after his resurrection.[14]

    5. The Ethiopian Didascalia (Didesqelya),[15] a book of
    Church order in 43 chapters, distinct from the Didascalia Apostolorum, but
    similar to books I-VII of the so-called Apostolic Constitutions.

    from wikipedia

    Books of the Old Testament ~
    The Hebrew Bible or Tanakh.

    Canon common to Judaism, Samaritanism and Christianity (excepting the minority of Protestant denominations sometimes called New Testament only Christians which reject the "Old Testament")

    • Genesis
    • Exodus
    • Leviticus
    • Numbers
    • Deuteronomy
    Canon Common to Judaism and Christianity but excluded by Samaritans
    • Joshua
    • Judges
    • Ruth
    • 1–2 Samuel
    • 1–2 Kings
    • 1–2 Chronicles
    • Ezra
    • Nehemiah
    • Esther
    • Job
    • Psalms
    • Proverbs
    • Ecclesiastes
    • Song of Solomon
    • Isaiah
    • Jeremiah
    • Lamentations
    • Ezekiel
    • Daniel
    • Minor prophets (Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi)

    These are one book in the Jewish Bible, called "Trei Asar" or "Twelve".

    Included by Roman Catholics, Orthodox, but excluded by Jews, Samaritans and most Protestants:
    • Tobit
    • Judith
    • 1 Maccabees
    • 2 Maccabees
    • Wisdom (of Solomon)
    • Ben Sira
    • Baruch, includes Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah)
    • Additions to Daniel
    • Additions to Esther
    Included by Orthodox (Synod of Jerusalem):
    • 1 Esdras (see Esdras for other names)
    • 3 Maccabees
    • 4 Maccabees (in appendix but not canonical)
    • Prayer of Manasseh
    • Psalm 151
    Included by Russian and Ethiopian Orthodox:
    • 2 Esdras
    Included by Ethiopian Orthodox:
    • Jubilees
    • Enoch
    • 1–3 Meqabyan
    Included by Syriac Peshitta Bible:
    • Psalms 152–155
    • 2 Baruch

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • tom
    tom Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭


    Busted! I take full responsibility for the overstatement, and I have adjusted the post to be less hyperbolic. Thanks MJ.

    Thanks Jayson for making this change

    I do want to point out that your over-the-top statement did affect people's feelings.  Please take a close look at how some of the people responded to your post (along with other posts from Logos).  Statements like the one you made hurt.