L3 versus L4 versus L5
When Logos 5 comes out, do you guys think it's going to be a total overhaul to Logos 4, similar like how L4 was to L3? In watching vids where L3 was used, I can see the visual improvement made by L4. L4 definitely appears to be a modern day app, whereas L3 does seem a little out of date. But this makes me wonder if a total overhaul would be necessary with L5. Seems like L5 could easily be just a majorly improved version of L4 with a large number of issues fixed, old and missed tools added back in, completely new tools, new features in and improved usability with old tools, etc. Any thoughts? Anyone heard anything about what L5 might be like? If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Libronix first created like 10+ years ago, and basically just saw improved versions using the same base until Logos 4 came out? Do you think Logos 4 will be treated the same?
(By the way, all of this is just discussion. I don't know much about Logos versions before 4 at all. And I also don't have any idea or presupposition as to when I think L5 might come out. I'm just curious to see what people think... and if any employees might chime in with a few hints, lol.)
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- On the one hand it means we should have proper display of Syriac fonts in V5
- On the other it would mean that it is highly unlikely Syriac font display would be fixed before V5
- v1 //
platform written from scratch - v1.1
- v1.5
- v1.6
- v2 / Logos Library System //
platform re-write - v2.1
- v2.x (I forget the details!)
- Libronix DLS v1 //
platform re-write - v1.x
- v2
- v3 (bigger deal, some internal re-writing, new configs)
- Logos 4 // platform re-write
- v4.x, y, z
I think Lynden is correct. The big competitor weakness in Logos4 has always been 'slow'. What I didn't know until just recently was that Bob didn't want to immediately wipe out 80% of his competitors with L4. Unfortunately the expected slow demise of the competitors has been slower than expected and so Logos5 will likely also continue to be slow.
Probably you think I'm joking, but imagine a high-speed Logos, iPad/Phone etc support, in-church-services support and a library that just won't quit. Competition? Don't think so. Thankfully Bob is not as hard-hearted as Pharoah and his over-speedy army nearing the Reed Sea.
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I think Lynden is correct. The big competitor weakness in Logos4 has always been 'slow'. What I didn't know until just recently was that Bob didn't want to immediately wipe out 80% of his competitors with L4. Unfortunately the expected slow demise of the competitors has been slower than expected and so Logos5 will likely also continue to be slow.
Probably you think I'm joking, but imagine a high-speed Logos, iPad/Phone etc support, in-church-services support and a library that just won't quit. Competition? Don't think so. Thankfully Bob is not as hard-hearted as Pharoah and his over-speedy army nearing the Reed Sea.
Did he give any reasons as to why? (I can speculate, but of course that would always just be speculation.[:)])
Interesting. I wondered why you were asking, since there hasn't been a peep about L5, that I've seen.
Yeah, like I said, just discussion. The furthering of technology, especially as pertains to furthering the Kingdom, interests me is all.
Think of WPF as the development platform that Logos used to create L4. When the decision to use WPF, it looked like it was going to be around for a long time, but it has never fulfilled its potential. Now, Microsoft could be going in a different direction.
So it's a software or something by Microsoft that other companies use to develop their own software? Also, what is it that makes this platform make Logos slow?
Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5.
And to think I interpreted Bob's statement in the reverse way: I expected to see WPF out but the user interface/processing logic to be the same.[*-)] I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Bob really meant.
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Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5.And to think I interpreted Bob's statement in the reverse way: I expected to see WPF out but the user interface/processing logic to be the same.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Bob really meant.
I hope WPF is out, but I guess that we will have to wait and see.
Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5.And to think I interpreted Bob's statement in the reverse way: I expected to see WPF out but the user interface/processing logic to be the same.
Hmmm... WPF being out in V5 would be a mixed blessing.
Oh well, beggars can't be choosers.
A rough outline of Logos Bible Software history:
1991:
1995:
2001:
2009:
It doesn't feel like enough time for a complete platform re-write yet... but it's been long enough that Logos ought to ship something cooler than just a few tweaks and bug fixes, right? :-)
(On the other hand, with emergence of iOS, Android, web apps, etc. it feels like we're writing "a new platform" every day!...)
Thanks for posting here, Bob. I'll settle for useful OR way cool.
I would rather have useful over way cool
Me too.
What it's actually been is long enough that we should have a bug free, complete as advertised, product that works quick and smooth on both windows and mac platforms. That we have yet to see.
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Robert, I seriously doubt that L5 will be a major overhaul, like L3 was to L4. As you said, bug fixes, new features requested, etc.. Now when you are talking L6, I think that will be the one that will cause the christian and secular world to drop their jaw.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
L5 doesn't look that different to me...
https://www.logos.com/media/_faithlife/GroupPrayerList.pdf.
The main difference seems to be the integration with the Faithlife stuff.
See https://faithlife.com/whatsnext.
Interesting. I wondered why you were asking, since there hasn't been a peep about L5, that I've seen.
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What makes you think that is Logos 5? It just looks to me like a single-feature mockup based on what L4 currently looks like. Am I missing something?
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I wonder if L5 might follow Windows 8, to minimize compatibility problems.
The top of the app window says "
Logos Bible Software 5". That tipped me off that it might be Logos Bible Software 5 [;)]
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
You'll notice some small differences, not to mention it say's Logos 5 in the title
As for L5, don't have a clue. But getting out my
and examining the proffered evidence; there is a conspicuous absence of my nemesis, "File" which has been replaced by Documents. I hope that this iteration will yield a smoother interaction with the rest of the lauded components of this powerful program...Amen
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Good catch Beloved.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
Hey Lynden, How life in the Bahamas?
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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The rain has stopped, the politics continue 7 weeks after the general election, and the financial cold that the US is experiencing, is giving us Pneumonia.
But I am thankful for life, family, health, house, food, clothing, work and salvation. What more can I ask for? [:D]
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
Yes we have much to thank God for. Do you follow Myles Munroe? His messages always stir my soul. He's a mighty man of God, with a wonderful ministry.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Regarding new versions of Logos, if a base package was purchased for L4, will that base package transfer to L5 without having to purchase another upgrade?
Your brother, Gregory
I have the same question, Gregory Miller!
I'm not so worried about the speed of the software. To make Your purchases last, You have to buy a computer that lasts several version upgrades, that means a NON-hybrid Solid State Disc on which You'll install Logos. When a new version comes out, You just keep the hardware and the install. As I see it, that's the only way to avoid having to buy new content to Logos all the time when the new versions are released. Hardware prices don't drop that quickly anymore, and CPU:s don't get higher GHz anymore.My suggestion is that SOME select base packages would be transfered to L5 for a minor fee, not all the base packages, because I've realized that Logos makes, or tries to make, money by selling base packages.
What I mean is that when L5 comes, MANY will buy a base-package. That is a very tempting income-source for Logos.
However, what I'm trying to say, is that since Logos focuses on having a lot of e-books to offer, most customers try to collect e-books, and I WOULD assume that a great deal of the customers want to be able to keep their purchases a LONG time.
Another thing, is that many customers buy a lot of separate books and other packages and bundles. Customers who have bought separate books and other packages and bundles than base-package, for for example $500 or more to L4, should be allowed to get their L4 e-books transferred to L5 for a minor administrative fee.
Summa summarum, the cheapest base packages, and some of the most expensive base packages, should not be included in the transfer offers.
To take an exampel, the L4 Original Languages base-package and the Portfolio, should be transferred to L5 for a minor fee, but many other base-packages such as the Home-base-package and Scholar's Libary, should not since those are in-between, (or cheap, the Home), so to speak.
If You think about my suggestions You see that I used a lot of logic in this.
And I've thought about these issues all year 2012, this is not something I just spontaneously make up.
I appologize if I expressed myself less clearly than how I thought.
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This is based on Logos' past, and it does not imply what they did in the past they will continue to do in the future. The main engine has been free. There was and still is no cost to get L4. What does cost $$$ is the resources. Therefore, if Logos keeps their practice, L5 will be free and the books that you have will continue to work. If L5 comes with new resources, you will need to purchase them. For example, we could have upgraded from L3 to L4 for $0, but we would not have access to Biblical People, Biblical Places, etc... because they were new resources to L4.