Reformed theology, Logos, and the rest of us.
I have been thoroughly enjoying the Logos program and resources. Little by little, I have been noticing the slant of the program is toward the Reformed-Calvinist theological postion. Is this true?
I am a spirit filled Jewish believer in my Messiah and have recently redicated myself to ardent study.
While I am interest in all areas of theological and biblical studies, I have no intention at the age of 60 in becoming a Calvinist.
Does Logos offer a balanced theological menu or is the balance weighed heavily in the TULIP direction?
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Shmuel Birnbaum said:
Does Logos offer a balanced theological menu or is the balance weighed heavily in the TULIP direction?
As a Catholic, I'm a longways from TULIP. It all depends on what you call "balanced". Logos, like any company, gives preferential treatment to products that sell well. However, they do make an effort, especially through partnerships, to cover the broader Judeo-Christian market. With some of the user-driven selection of works to go into production, one doesn't need a large number of people to get resources for other theological schools - only enough to meet production costs. In addition users can create and share resources (in L3 but coming soon in L4) to add specialty resources.
Given the number of Messianic Jews on the forums, I think you are safe in assuming that there is enough benefit for you to risk the investment.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Shmuel Birnbaum said:
I have been thoroughly enjoying the Logos program and resources. Little by little, I have been noticing the slant of the program is toward the Reformed-Calvinist theological postion. Is this true?
I am a spirit filled Jewish believer in my Messiah and have recently redicated myself to ardent study.
While I am interest in all areas of theological and biblical studies, I have no intention at the age of 60 in becoming a Calvinist.
Does Logos offer a balanced theological menu or is the balance weighed heavily in the TULIP direction?
I would say the slant toward one theological or doctrinal position over another depends on what you have in your library and what resources you turn to during your studies. I have the platinum library with a number of additional resources. My experience has been that the commentaries and other resources in my library usually reflect the position of the writers and contributors of those resources.
I would add that, in terms of the range of products logos offers, I do not really see a slant or bias either way . If that is what you are seeing, can you provide an example of where you are seeing the an unbalanced approach by Logos?
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Shmuel-
An orthodox Lutheran here (Missouri Synod).
Much of the reason I came to Logos, was due to the fact that my previous Bible software did not provide the availability to the Lutheran resources, which Logos does. There is scant little, which they DON'T have.
But there is definitely a slant I would say, to both Calvinist and Arminian.
Thankful that I found the Lutheran doctrine adequately represented here.
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Shmuel Birnbaum said:
Does Logos offer a balanced theological menu or is the balance weighed heavily in the TULIP direction?
I can't speak for Logos but you are right about the mass of new Reformed-oriented material being published in Logos format. Having been a Logos customer for many years I would have to say this is all rather recent.
Much of what has recently been offered is older stuff. It has been requested by users for years, so Logos may only be interested in giving the users what they have asked for.You'll note that much of it has not gathered enough interest to go into publication.
I suspect some of what you are seeing may have to do with the vast number of volumes dedicated to Reformed theology that have been published. Reformed theologians have written a lot of books. Some other theological viewpoints simply don't have the number of theological works in print that the Reformed view does.
Reformed theology also has a few active evangelical authors with major followings that Logos has responded to, as they should (Piper and Sproul come to mind).
There has been a bit of a Reformed theology resurgence of late in American evangelical churches and that may explain some of it as well.
I haven't noticed any tendency on Logos' part to promote a single point of view. Far from it.
Please make use of the Suggestions section of the forum to propose any works you feel would help 'balance' the current flow.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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I guess I was especially awakened to this when I notice the recent book that is being promoted that presents a critique of Keswick Theology, "Let Go and Let God" by Andy Naiselli.
I was not aware of this term. However, when I researched it a bit, I found that the "Keswick" movement was of the Arminian postion and included people such as Finney, Moody, Andrew Murray, Hudson Taylor, etc. I was a bit concerned, because it has always been my goal to be in quest of God's fire and the salvation of others.
I am willing to study what the new Reformed movement people are saying, but I doubt that I will abandon a fresh pursuit of God for a sovereignty of God theological position.
While I am in favor of reading books written by someone like Naiselli, is Logos also promoting others books that include the Arminian-Weslyean- free will emphasis?
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Thank you. What you just said is helpful.
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Shmuel Birnbaum said:
I guess I was especially awakened to this when I notice the recent book that is being promoted that presents a critique of Keswick Theology, "Let Go and Let God" by Andy Naiselli.
I suppose you're referring to the Logos Blog on this book. I see that not as a promotion of the content of the book but of the way it was produced and is being published.
Shmuel Birnbaum said:is Logos also promoting others books that include the Arminian-Weslyean- free will emphasis
As I suggested you may want to make numerous suggestions of works from the Arminian-Wesleyan perspective you feel would help balance this perceived bias. I don't see the promotion (in the sense of trying to sell a certain theological focus) that you are referring to.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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I'd say you've noticed correctly. The slant has seemed to pick up since the L4 release IMO.
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Shmuel Birnbaum said:
I have been thoroughly enjoying the Logos program and resources. Little by little, I have been noticing the slant of the program is toward the Reformed-Calvinist theological postion. Is this true? I am a spirit filled Jewish believer in my Messiah and have recently redicated myself to ardent study. While I am interest in all areas of theological and biblical studies, I have no intention at the age of 60 in becoming a Calvinist. Does Logos offer a balanced theological menu or is the balance weighed heavily in the TULIP direction?
You are not the first person to raise questions about theological "leanings" & "balance" in resources offered by Logos. I will grant you there have been many Calvinist & Reformed works published lately. But there have also been many that are not "in the TULIP direction." There are a couple different ways of looking at this fact.
First, Logos has been around for many years and just recently got around to Calvin, Spurgeon and their buddies. So someone with an aversion to TULIPs [W] can claim Logos held off as long as they could until the Reformers stormed Bellingham's gates. [6]
Second, I am not a Calvinist either but I bought both the Calvin 500 Collection http://www.logos.com/products/details/5170 and The Spurgeon Collection http://www.logos.com/products/details/4793 and many others "in the TULIP direction." So maybe Logos is just concentrating on what will sell the most copies and use the profits to fund those titles (& alternate persuasions) that don't have the broad appeal yet merit publishing.
Third, I doubt Logos is trying to convert you away from your present beliefs & practices. They do offer extensive resources right in line with your interests. Here are search results for "Messianic" http://www.logos.com/search?q=messianic and for "Jewish Collection" http://www.logos.com/search?q=jewish+collection . You will see there are a LOT of great titles.
I am just happy Logos goes much broader than just Pastoral, or Ministerial, or Theological, or Academic. It really is going to be the Bible software for everyone.
One last thought :Many of us forget how many resources Logos offers because we only view the Pre-Pub page, Community Pricing page and Logos announcements of new releases. Whenever you have a few HOURS go over to http://www.logos.com/products/groups/list/allitems and scan through everything to see what is already published. It is kind of depressing if you don't play the lottery...........So many cool books, so little money!
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Shmuel Birnbaum said:
is Logos also promoting others books that include the Arminian-Weslyean- free will emphasis?
I have been a strong promoter of Wesleyan-Arminian works (see http://community.logos.com/forums/p/6387/49594.aspx). A number of years ago I suggested a number of books from this perspective - over the last three or four years I have seen about half of the books either being offered through pre-pub or community pricing. About two thirds of those have moved into development or actually been produced for purchase. There are still a couple of works/sets on pre-pub - there are currently no Wesleyan-Arminian works in community pricing. A number of works from the Wesleyan Publishing House have been included in the pre-pub offerings - some are still there.
I hope that helps you identify some material from this perspective.
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Shmuel Birnbaum said:
is Logos also promoting others books that include the Arminian-Weslyean- free will emphasis?
Here are some:
Wesleyan–Arminian Collection (81 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/details/1915
Wesleyan Bible Commentary Series (18 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/details/4747
Keith Drury Collection (6 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/4883
Systematic Theology by John Miley (2 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/details/4300
Holiness Collection (8 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/details/4879
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Dan Sheppard said:
But there is definitely a slant I would say, to both Calvinist and Arminian.
Thankful that I found the Lutheran doctrine adequately represented here.
[:)] Of course it really helps when Logos has very cooperative third parties to help bring the resources to publication. Concordia House & Fortress Press have been stellar in their performance. That is why Lutheran material is so well represented.
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Thank you. I have also been tremendously blessed by reading the books offered by EM Bounds on prayer.
Years ago, as a bible college student, I remember being exposed to a basic but often stimulating commentary called Beacon. I checked and noticed a few volumes of this commentary, now called New Beacon, are available.
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J. Morris said:
The slant has seemed to pick up since the L4 release IMO.
Who knows? Maybe an anonymous benefactor bequeathed a million dollars towards the publication of Reformed resources. I have noticed Reformed seminaries across the USA have been offering greatly reduced tuition or even FREE education lately.
But do consider some of my observations. I could point out several new Catholic titles in Pre-Pub. It has been a long time coming. Now, if I can only get some Stone-Campbell resources in Pre-Pub. [;)] And don't forget Fred & I want Mennonite works.
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Companies make products that they think their customers want or else they will be out of business soon enough. The Neo-Reformed movement is getting very popular. Time magazine two years ago said that it was one of the ten leading movements shaping the world. But you will find plenty of material from multiple theological perspectives on Logos. I don't think Logos is trying to secretly change the theological leanings of their customers by putting out more Driscoll and Piper material. They are just producing what the demand is.
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I never thought thay anything was being done secretively. I just began wondering whether they have a theological board that oversees what products are produced and promoted.
I have not really kept up with current theological movements (especially in the US). I live in Israel and have been just seeking to seek and serve God among my people.
I have always been both fascinated and baffled by the doctrines of bothe Calvinism and Arminianism and was taught to "oscillate" between them but not vaccillate! I respect sincere men of faith and theology on both sides.
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Shmuel, I am happy you opened that matter. Many of us would also welcome much more books of the Messianic persuasion in Logos.
Bohuslav
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You may want to purchase these Wesleyan items.Shmuel Birnbaum said:Does Logos offer a balanced theological menu or is the balance weighed heavily in the TULIP direction?
Currently Available:
John Wesley and Adam Clarke Collection (85 Vols.)
Wesleyan–Arminian Collection (81 Vols.)
Wesleyan Bible Commentary Series (18 Vols.)
Systematic Theology, by John Miley (2 Vols.)
Eerdmans Wesleyan Bible Commentary (7 Vols.)
Thomas C. Oden's Systematic Theology (3 Vols.)
Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)
Under Development
Compendium of Christian Theology, 2nd ed., by William Burt Pope (3 Vols.)
In Prepub (will go live when there is enough interested buyers)
Wesleyan Ministry Collection (5 Vols.)
Eerdmans Wesleyan Bible Commentary (7 Vols.)
Keith Drury Collection (6 Vols.)
Wesleyan Ministry Collection (5 Vols.)
Keith Drury Collection (6 Vols.)
Stan Toler Collection (6 Vols.)
Cyclopaedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature (12 Vols.)
Also, there are a variety of Pentecostal and Charismatic reference work which is certainly not a "TULIP" resource:
Foundations of Pentecostal Theology
The Century of the Holy Spirit : 100 Years of Pentecostal and Charismatic Renewal, 1901-2001
Spirit-Filled Life Study Bible
Words of Light and Life Collection (7 Vols.) [DOWNLOAD]
The Holy Spirit: Works & Gifts
These just came up in a few minutes of searching. There may be more if you search the 14,000 books in our Library. If there is somehting specific you want, send your suggestion to us suggest@logos.com.
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Many of the books I listed were also promoted on our blogShmuel Birnbaum said:I guess I was especially awakened to this when I notice the recent book that is being promoted that presents a critique of Keswick Theology, "Let Go and Let God" by Andy Naiselli.
see
http://blog.logos.com/archives/2009/02/new_pre-pubs_from_wesleyan_publishing_house.html
The blog is not a promotion of one theological view, it simply promotes the resources we are developing at the time.
Blessings
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No.. we publish what our users ask for and where the demand lies.Shmuel Birnbaum said:I just began wondering whether they have a theological board that oversees what products are produced and promoted.
Blessings
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Oh, I almost forgot this massive set from Charles Finney... by no stretch a Calvinist.
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Joe Miller said:
The Century of the Holy Spirit : 100 Years of Pentecostal and Charismatic Renewal, 1901-2001
Wow, Joe, how have you found this one? I never knew it exists in Logos. Thank you [Y]
EDIT: downloading the resource [:)] thanks again.
Bohuslav
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I am firmly in the evangelical Wesleyan-Arminian theological camp. I am a United Methodist pastor and graduate of Asbury Theological Seminary.
However, I benefit from many Calvinist theologians. I love Spurgeon and even benefit from Calvin's commentaries. Martyn Lloyd-Jones is another of my favorites. I can sift out the Calvinist theology and benefit greatly from the insights of these men of God. I hold to what is good and let the other go. I have more in common with a Calvinist who loves God's Word than a Wesleyan-Arminian who is liberal.
There are a number of great biblical scholars of the Wesleyan-Arminian persuasion in Logos. John Oswalt's commentaries on Isaiah in the NICOT series, for example. He also is in the Cornerstone Commentary set. Bill Arnold also has some great stuff in Logos. They both are great evangelical scholars of the Wesleyan-Arminian school.
Wesley's works are available, but they are the old Jackson series. I do wish the new more scholarly series edited by Albert Outler would be released by Logos. That would be a tremendous asset for those of us in the Wesleyan-Arminian camp.
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Thank you Joe. I appreciate hearing this.
I have thoroughly enjoyed my experience with Logos since I purchased it in August. I just started noticing all these new items by the Reformed side. I am not sorry that I brought up the subject, but even more grateful for the clarification.
As for charismatic publications, I have grown used to not even expecting material on this subject! Thanks for letting me know.
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I bought it many years ago when I was researching for my books on early Pentecostalism and Baptism in the Holy Spirit.Bohuslav Wojnar said:Joe Miller said:The Century of the Holy Spirit : 100 Years of Pentecostal and Charismatic Renewal, 1901-2001
Wow, Joe, how have you found this one? I never knew it exists in Logos. Thank you
EDIT: downloading the resource
thanks again.Blessings
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If you have specific suggestions, use the email I listed above.Shmuel Birnbaum said:As for charismatic publications, I have grown used to not even expecting material on this subject! Thanks for letting me know.
Personally, I would like to have the works of Wigglesworth and Palmer along with some others from the late 1800's early 1900's. Edward Iring's stuff from would also be good. I think they are good source documents for study and research.
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Joe Miller said:
we publish what our users ask for and where the demand lies
I am not "Pentecostal" or "Charismatic" but I really like this one:
It is hard to find outside of Swaggart's website. I believe Jimmy is Assembly of God. I like his singing too. [C]
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Matthew C Jones said:
I believe Jimmy is Assembly of God. I like his singing too.
Jimmy Swaggart WAS Assemblies of God. He is not anymore from obvious reasons. Yes, I liked his singing too.
Bohuslav
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Morris Proctor is a Free-Will Baptist and he openly and often endorses the works of Robert Morgan , another free-will baptist, at Camp Logos, so I don't think their publishing leans either way. They would like to have every book they can possibly have in their format, it makes good business sense. They have a lot of Fruchtenbaum's books as well as some other sovereign grace Jews - Jesus, Peter, James, John, David, Isaiah and Paul to name a few... [:O]
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If you do a search of either "Ariel Ministries" or "Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum" you will find one of the greatest collections available. His writing is clear, concise, and understandable for the tremendous scholar that he is. He's been a friend and mentor for over 10 years and I continue to learn more and more about the Scriptures from a 1st century Jewish perspective.
Hope this helps.
Psalm 122:6
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May His sovereign grace enable us to understand Paul's words when he said, now we see through a glass darkly and that we know in part!
My goal is to learn from every stream (as much as I can). However, the goal of establishing our own theology is a life long pursuit.
Thanks for the input.
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Dear George,
I have known about Arnold Fructenbaum for years and appreciative his contributions. Thanks
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Shmuel Birnbaum said:
While I am in favor of reading books written by someone like Naiselli, is Logos also promoting others books that include the Arminian-Weslyean- free will emphasis?
I would say probably quite a bit does lean to Calvi nism but not overly publishing one viewpoint and not the other. Have some works as Clark and in the ma7ybe last 6 months, they came with a commentary set from Methodist-probably the main body. For me, I am whyat some call a no point Calcinist if you go by what others define as Calvinism-mainly by their opponents(do not believe Limited Atonement and really the ones who say this is not real Calvinism is non calvinist) I do enjoy thinking and what not as for me-as a Washer fan who basically is a Southern Baptist Calviist-one of the things he encourages is read the Wesley's and Whitfields. We migh not all agree, but even in the differances-if you truely love God-he will use the not as heretical as people think resources.
Not sure if this was from you on Keswick, while looking at that book, I wander how many realise there has been quite a few very popular(but dead) who believed in Keswick sanctification. Adrew Murray is the first I think. Been a believer of this doctrine for about seven years now. The description in that book makes assumptions(havoing not read the boook or own it yet.) I will say this, first, never believed in a second blessing. On the other hand, you do need a second blessing to understand this doctrine and for me-the second blessing is whern I pray for God to teach me the bible. I think quite a few woulod see this as appealing to Calvinists and non Calvinist.
Also, am not trying to debate or put others down so when writing of a belief-this strictly based on what Logos offers.
God bless
Dave Emme
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Shmuel Birnbaum said:
Little by little, I have been noticing the slant of the program is toward the Reformed-Calvinist theological postion.
If you use the word "slant" as a viewpoint of Logos, I'm not sure that's the case. I would use the word more in the sense that many of their titles are weighted toward a Reformed viewpoint. In the end Logos is a bookstore. They need to sell books. I am certain that they will sell what their customers desire (so long as the title is orthodox in nature).
Shmuel Birnbaum said:I am a spirit filled Jewish believer in my Messiah and have recently redicated myself to ardent study
You are already aware of these titles, but others may want to check out some of the great works of my friend Arnold Fruchtenbaum.
Elder/Pastor, Hope Now Bible Church, Fresno CA
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Shmuel,
Some resources people have NOT mentioned that are not so Calvinist are:
The Socio-Rhetorical Commentary series. I can't vouch for the whole series, but Ben Witherington III, a major contributor, is Wesleyan, I believe.
Also, a "non-Calvinist" and clearly communicating theologian is Dr. Jack Cottrell. His "The Faith Once for All" is a systematic theology, and Logos also has his two-volume series on Romans.
Blessings to you, brother!
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Just wondering which prevails? The "users ask" or the users "demand"? My reasoning is that as the reformed users increase, the demand shifts increasingly toward reformed doctrine. I do not know what products the users have been suggesting, but it definately seems that those who are asking for free will/choice, unlimited atonement, grace toward all men... and/or dispensational, pre-tribulational theolygy, texts and authors are not making the list very often. especially in the area of Logos theology choices. Does this suggest that if the "users ask" is not desired by the majority of "users" , that the "users ask" will not be granted?
I am not saying that Logos has been unfair, only noting that the as the user base changes, the demand changes, and those of us users in the minority could suggest a product, and their "ask" will not be a "demand" by majority of users and thus be ignored. I do not know this to be true, just wondering.
I would like to suggest a few Text books I have been looking for that I have not been able to find compatible with Logos. "Basic Bible Interpretation" by Roy B. Zuck; "Basic Theology" Charles Ryrie; "Lectures in Sysematic Theology" by Henry C. Thiesen. Norman Geisler's four volume theological Set.
Logos has provided me with so many of the books, rescources and authors that I desire to have in my library. Just want to find some more of the authors and books I read and study.
Oh, one other question. What is up with the addition of the Catholic books, rescources, theology and teachings being added to Logos? what is the Logos boards justification of placing the Catholic doctrine and teachings into the pool with the rest of the Logos rescources?
Not sure you wanted all of this, but hope you can help me understand,
Garth
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Garth Aderholt said:
I would like to suggest a few Text books I have been looking for that I have not been able to find compatible with Logos. "Basic Bible Interpretation" by Roy B. Zuck; "Basic Theology" Charles Ryrie; "Lectures in Sysematic Theology" by Henry C. Thiesen. Norman Geisler's four volume theological Set.
Check out the links below for a couple of these...
http://www.logos.com/product/5364/charles-ryrie-legacy-collection#003
http://www.logos.com/product/3598/systematic-theology
Garth Aderholt said:Oh, one other question. What is up with the addition of the Catholic books, rescources, theology and teachings being added to Logos?
This is part of Logos' move into the broader Christian community, whilst not Catholic myself I welcome this move and have purchased some of the materials which I find helpful because they encourage me to look at the Bible from a different perspective. It's also interesting to see how much did not change with the reformation...
God Bless
Graham
Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke
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Garth Aderholt said:
"Basic Bible Interpretation" by Roy B. Zuck;
Don't believe they have this one, but see Roy Zuck Vital Issues Series (12 vols.)
Garth Aderholt said:Sysematic Theology" by Henry C. Thiesen.
Lectures in Systematic Theology
Believe Graham Owen has supplied the other links
One that I recently purchased
Charles Ryrie Collection (8 vols.)—Not the same as the one linked by Graham
And Basic Theology—that's the one by Ryrie
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The price for the Catholic Foundations Library is high, considering that much of the content is available free online. The higher Libraries have a lot of content and authors I would not like to read - so I wouldn't choose those.
I've started a thread about selecting bundles, base-packages and individual titles: http://www.christianforums.com/t7644634/
I'm not a member of any church, due to that I was an atheist for a while and became Christian again 1¼ years ago. Theologically, I believe in some things that the Roman Catholic Church teaches, but there are things that I don't believe. I haven't started out as a Catholic Catechumen because I have a somewhat long way to Church, and because I don't like too basic teaching.
I don't find the Roman Catholic teachings to be contradictory to the Bible, and I'm doing my studies in-depth. Many think that Roman Catholic teaching often builds on books of the Bible that weren't in wide use from the earliest times of the history of Christianity, but that isn't true. Also, some think that the Roman Catholic Church has uncritically adopted theologicy from all parts of the Bible, but that isn't true, for example the RCC doesn't believe in prayer for the dead, found in 2 Maccabeans.
They are not putting that much effort into it, as they haven't release the 1989 Revised English Bible (yet?).Garth Aderholt said:Oh, one other question. What is up with the addition of the Catholic books, rescources, theology and teachings being added to Logos? what is the Logos boards justification of placing the Catholic doctrine and teachings into the pool with the rest of the Logos rescources?
I have also bought books by protestants/reformed authors, such as G. B. Caird (Logos hasn't provided anything by Caird), John Bowden (a printed book, he was the editor, not available in Logos), Richard Bauckham. Caird was Reformed (You can find information about him on Wikipedia) so I disagree that Logos is slanted towards Calvinism/Reformed Churches.Graham Owen said:This is part of Logos' move into the broader Christian community, whilst not Catholic myself I welcome this move and have purchased some of the materials which I find helpful because they encourage me to look at the Bible from a different perspective. It's also interesting to see how much did not change with the reformation...
Richard Bauckham is a good author because he provides references to the wide OT Apocrypha (including 4 Esdras), Jewish Pseudepigrapha, Dead Sea Scrolls, Hellenistic Jewish authors, Targums and Rabbinic litterature, Other ancient litterature, and Early Christian litterature. I got the book I have cheap a year ago, now it's turned expensive, the book is from 1999 and is right now #1,161,631 on Amazon bester seller list, so I doubt Logos is going to release it as they seem focused only on more recent books and commentary sets and old classic books.Disclosure!
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This one is easy. Calvinists buy books and Logos sells books. Did you notice how quickly Dagg moved into production on CP?
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Donn Has it correct. Just to add that Calvinists, Lutherans and academic Roman Catholics have produced the vast majority of scholarship throughout the years. Not a critique of other traditions but just a statement of fact.
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Jack Caviness said:
A note about this selection. It is not the original book (published in 1949). It is a second edition rewrite by a Calvinist. He changed Dr. Thiessen's theology in multiple places so it is now teaching the point of view OP is not looking for.
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Because we want them? Because RC makes up more than 50% of the Christian faith world wide...etc...Garth Aderholt said:What is up with the addition of the Catholic books, rescources, theology and teachings being added to Logos? what is the Logos boards justification of placing the Catholic doctrine and teachings into the pool with the rest of the Logos rescources?
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Robert Harner said:Jack Caviness said:
A note about this selection. It is not the original book (published in 1949). It is a second edition rewrite by a Calvinist. He changed Dr. Thiessen's theology in multiple places so it is now teaching the point of view OP is not looking for.
Thanks for that information. Would you mind adding it to a review of the book?
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"Calvinists, Lutherans and academic Roman Catholics have produced the vast majority of scholarship"
Uh, Jews have been known to write a little bit here and there... Or are we being NT-centric and ignoring the other half of the Bible?
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Ben said:
Uh, Jews have been known to write a little bit here and there..
Right on ... but the Anglicans and Orthodox have also held up their end of scholarship.[;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Donn Arms said:
While unfortunately, John Gill continues to languish.
For Logo's to mention the debate about Gill's role as the father of Baptist hyper-Calvinism, without mentioning this debate is over one statement in all his works, isn't a great selling tactic.The fact that during his lifetime, Gill and his church backed the preaching and ministry of George Whitefield, should be proof he wasn't a hyper-Calvinist.
Donn Arms said:So what do we have to do to get Gill moving?
Have Logos remove mentioning the debate or explain why the debate started.
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I was mainly referring to scholarship by Christians. I love the JPS commentaries for example and wish Logos would bring out more from the Orthodox perspective. Many outside their tradition are not familiar with their authors apart from the early fathers.
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